Our Defense is NOT Loaded; our BACKUPS are weak.

[rkarp1]

You can't develop young players and have a proven bench. The OP assumes that because many of the depth players aren't completely proven they must be " weak." It takes time to build a program that both develops young players and uses them as starters and proven depth. But in the meantime he can just assume that they suck.

sure you can
the Pats did so last season

honestly, how many posters would have a better feel at this early stage if Gibbons was retained and Hill did not injure

 

[Wozzy]

you know very well what I said.
-how many UDFA's does a team sign each season (approx 500 signed by all teams)
-how many of them make the initial 53 man roster (approx 35-50 by all teams)

I listed the past 9 years of the Pats udfa's to make the initial 53 man roster.
14 players over the course of 9 years, with over half of the 9 in 2017

Yeah, you either screwed up or lied. Your list omitted a bunch of guys.

For example you wrote:

• 2022: 2 UDFAs — Brenden Schooler (S), DaMarcus Mitchell (LB).

That season Schooler, Mitchell, Quandre Mosley and Raleigh Webb all contributed to the team. 4 players. You missed guys last season also.

So did you lie to prove a point?

 

[Wozzy]

sure you can
the Pats did so last season

honestly, how many posters would have a better feel at this early stage if Gibbons was retained and Hill did not injure

You had no clue who Gibbens was at this point last season… and nobody could predict Hill getting hurt in tee shirts.

And if the Pats could develop players last year then why can’t they do it again with Namdi Obiazor?

They also retained Muma and let Gibbens walk for peanuts. They kept the better player.

This team is deeper than last year at this time.

 

[Huckleberry1]

sure you can
the Pats did so last season

honestly, how many posters would have a better feel at this early stage if Gibbons was retained and Hill did not injure

You're missing the point. You can develop young players and get good performances from them, but what the OP is crying about bout is the fact that they aren't " proven."

 

[rkarp1]

Yeah, you either screwed up or lied. Your list omitted a bunch of guys.

For example you wrote:

• 2022: 2 UDFAs — Brenden Schooler (S), DaMarcus Mitchell (LB).

That season Schooler, Mitchell, Quandre Mosley and Raleigh Webb all contributed to the team. 4 players. You missed guys last season also.

So did you lie to prove a point?

nope
As I posted, and you fail to understand given your poor reading comprehension, is the udfa's that made the Pats initial 53 man roster

 

[rkarp1]

You had no clue who Gibbens was at this point last season… and nobody could predict Hill getting hurt in tee shirts.

And if the Pats could develop players last year then why can’t they do it again with Namdi Obiazor?

They also retained Muma and let Gibbens walk for peanuts. They kept the better player.

This team is deeper than last year at this time.

I applauded Gibbons signing as a vet depth back up
To date, Muma has not been the better player. Muma could not get on the field last season, other than 2 blow out wins. Gibbons played wire to wire a few games, wearing the green dot
Obiazor might be great
but I would feel better covered with a vet LB competing with him over the summer. let the better player win the roster spot.
as of today, we have no idea if Obiazor can play in the league, or if he will make this roster.
the team is deeper this year. but not at LB or TE

 

[WaterfallJumper]

you know very well what I said.
-how many UDFA's does a team sign each season (approx 500 signed by all teams)
-how many of them make the initial 53 man roster (approx 35-50 by all teams)

I listed the past 9 years of the Pats udfa's to make the initial 53 man roster.
14 players over the course of 9 years, with over half of the 9 in 2017

Right, 1 - 2 new UDFA players per team per year. But the overall composition is roughly 1/4 of the total team at any given time, since many of those players persist year to year. They tend to be hard workers to make it in the first place, and their salaries often don't count against the top 51, so I don't find it surprising that team's are roughly a quarter UDFA.

 

[rkarp1]

Right, 1 - 2 new UDFA players per team per year. But the overall composition is roughly 1/4 of the total team at any given time, since many of those players persist year to year. They tend to be hard workers to make it in the first place, and their salaries often don't count against the top 51, so I don't find it surprising that team's are roughly a quarter UDFA.

I wasn't counting an udfa that has multiple years in the league, like Spillane
I was quite specific, wrote on 2-3 of these posts
each season. the initial 53 man roster
1-2 is the correct response. a year here and there more. a year here and there zero

 

[Wozzy]

nope
As I posted, and you fail to understand given your poor reading comprehension, is the udfa's that made the Pats initial 53 man roster

Now you’re dancing.

 

[Wozzy]

I applauded Gibbons signing as a vet depth back up
To date, Muma has not been the better player. Muma could not get on the field last season, other than 2 blow out wins. Gibbons played wire to wire a few games, wearing the green dot
Obiazor might be great
but I would feel better covered with a vet LB competing with him over the summer. let the better player win the roster spot.
as of today, we have no idea if Obiazor can play in the league, or if he will make this roster.
the team is deeper this year. but not at LB or TE

You’re ignoring that Gibbens stunk.

The ILB depth now is better than this point last year.

 

[rkarp1]

You’re ignoring that Gibbens stunk.

The ILB depth now is better than this point last year.

Gibbons stunk
Muma was great
stop sniffing glue

 

[rkarp1]

Now you’re dancing.

no dance
I was very clear. three times
you misunderstood, or chose to argue
your choice
facts are facts
sorry

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Gibbons stunk
Muma was great
stop sniffing glue

Gibbens (not Gibbons) blew his assignment and gave up the 1st TD in the Super Bowl. That pretty much sealed the game for Seattle. After that, I doubt the Pats were bringing him back. I am not sure how Muma and Britt will work out, but the Pats chose to move on from Gibbens.

- LB Jack Gibbens appeared to be responsible for the TD to TE A.J. Barner, who went in motion before the snap and sold his run block before releasing upfield. It appeared that Spillane had passed the man-coverage assignment to Gibbens, but Gibbens bit on the play fake and couldn't recover to the Seahawks tight end, who scored the game's first touchdown to make it 19-0.

After Further Review: Drake Maye Breakdown, Defense Review, and Quick-Hit Film Notes From the Loss to the Seahawks in Super Bowl LX

What went wrong for the Patriots offense against the Seahawks defense in Super Bowl LX?

www.patriots.com

 

[Wozzy]

Gibbons stunk

Already posted the facts. The highest rush totals allowed by the defense on the season came when Spillane was hurt and Gibbens tried to replace him.

Muma was great

We’ll see… he’s still on the team… Gibbens isn’t.

stop sniffing glue

Wisdom is chasing you, but you’ve always been faster.

 

[Wozzy]

no dance
I was very clear. three times
you misunderstood, or chose to argue
your choice
facts are facts
sorry

You responded to me porkchop, not the other way around.

Roughly a quarter of last years rookies, about a quarter of last years roster… all UDFA’s.

Check your facts before telling me I’m wrong.

 

[rkarp1]

You responded to me porkchop, not the other way around.

Roughly a quarter of last years rookies, about a quarter of last years roster… all UDFA’s.

Check your facts before telling me I’m wrong.

I checked. I double checked what I posted
you questioned what I posted
you were wrong, based on what I posted and you replied.
sorry

 

[rkarp1]

Already posted the facts. The highest rush totals allowed by the defense on the season came when Spillane was hurt and Gibbens tried to replace him.

We’ll see… he’s still on the team… Gibbens isn’t.

Wisdom is chasing you, but you’ve always been faster.

lets close our eyes and pretend Williams and Tonga did not miss games

 

[Thelonious]

This is right, and it is why we must continue with the draft and develop approach rather than snatching at "one final piece" options, like AJ BRown, whose acquisition I consider foolish. This rebuild, following the disastrously incompetent late tenure of Bill Belichick and the entire inexplicable fiasco which was the Mayo hiring, began from a very low point, and the basic work of fleshing out the roster is not at all complete, especially on defense. In five years, i think we will look back and regard the fans' giddy overreaction to our having made the SB on the basis of an historically weak schedule as a very unfortunate occurrence which set the team back by a year or two as it works to rebuild, to the extent the team has "listened to the fans" and to the media Booster Boys, which I believe they have to an unfortunate degree.

 

[Water Boy]

In five years, i think we will look back and regard the fans' giddy overreaction to our having made the SB on the basis of an historically weak schedule as a very unfortunate occurrence which set the team back by a year or two as it works to rebuild, to the extent the team has "listened to the fans" and to the media Booster Boys, which I believe they have to an unfortunate degree.

Thelonious Downer. Any relation to Debbie by chance?

To look back on making the Super Bowl in year one of a new coaching regime and offensive system and a post prime Stephon Diggs as WR1 as an absolute mirage is clearly underselling the solid foundation that was established.

Reports from Camp are that Maye and Brown already click. What would be a wasted opportunity is not giving Maye a serious weapon early on in his development.

The acquisition of Brown and the loss of the ever so sacred 2028 first ( that everyone apparently is convinced is going to be the final keystone) is not what's going to hold this team back.

 

[captain stone]

Our starters are good enough to be top 10

FRONT SIX/SEVEN
Williams, Barmore, (Durden), Spillane, Ellis, Jones, Ponder/(Landry)

SECONDARY
Gonzalez, Davis, Jones. Byard, Woodson
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BACKUPS - Some think that we have good depth, NOT. We do have a lot of players competing. It seems that we will have a playoff team with several backups on Defense who might not make the NFL elsewhere (as is true for many teams).

We need a couple of more players in 2026. The focus in 2027 is obvious.

FRONT SIX/SEVEN - Farmer, Gregory, Taylor, Jacas, Muma, Britt, Swinson, Luketa, Obiazor, Hutchins, Blay, Jacobs
SECONDARY - Woods, Vildor, Prunty, Dial, Minor

Blay, Luketa & most especially the execrable Hutchins all Suck and have no chance. That leaves 1-2 more cuts from Britt / Jacobs / Muma / Obiazor, though I suspect that injuries will take care of the rest anyway: Landry & Jacass could very well start the season on PUP, as an example, and if that happens, we all better start praying for those "2nd-year leaps" from Swinson And Ponder; otherwise...

And the backups in the secondary mentioned above? The Worst in Football. Period. MULTIPLE VETERANS should've been signed here already.