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OT: Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs reportedly agree to reworked contract valued at more than $500 million

As always Kermit "the fraud" will go as far as the refs and the league want him to go. Could be wrong but I don't think they're the league's binky anymore. The league fired his refs last year and he was terrible. That had nothing to do with the injury.
 
I will believe Kermit is dead when he's eaten by an alligator or squashed by a car (sorry, reliving my Frogger days). But I think your reasoning on the contract makes sense. Also they were smart to make this deal ahead of the expected reworking of the TV deals and the cap gets even higher.

Didn't say Mahomes was dead. I said that his best playing days may be behind him. That is a huge difference. Mahomes at 80% is still a top 10ish QB. He just isn't elite at 80%.
 
I'm sure the rest of the league and BB thought Brady was washed too. How did that work out?? Brady is no where close to Mahomes athleticlly.

Didn't say he was washed up. See my last post.

But Brady and Mahomes are different. Brady lasted so long because he wasn't an athletically gifted QB and relied more on his mind than his physical skills. Mahomes has a great football mind, but relies a whole lot on his athleticism. Plus Brady was obsessive about his health, diet, and constantly getting better and revising his game to adjust to weaknesses. I don't know if Mahomes is as obsessed.

Mahomes and other athletic, mobile QBs are likely going to have significantly shorter careers than Brady. When you rely a lot on your athleticism, it always declines in your 30s. Mahomes is going to have to adjust to be more of a traditional pocket passer (although he will still have mobility to move around in and out of the pocket) later in his career to last and the question is how much that affects his career.

I think Mahomes will be a top 10 QB for the forseeable future. I just don't know how much longer he will be in the top 3-5.
 
Didn't say Mahomes was dead. I said that his best playing days may be behind him. That is a huge difference. Mahomes at 80% is still a top 10ish QB. He just isn't elite at 80%.
That's a fair take. I just meant, I'm not sure how much he's lost yet. You could very well be right.
 
I dunno, I could see Mahomes having a real good season. He looked in good shape last year and has motivation after their terrible season. He'll be just turning 31 as the season opens, so he's not in decline yet. Who knows if the ACL recovery will slow him down a step. He still has a great arm, tons of big game experience, and Andy Reid as his OC. I consider him and them dangerous until I see otherwise.
 
That's a fair take. I just meant, I'm not sure how much he's lost yet. You could very well be right.
I mean, his production has fallen off a cliff since he hit 29.
And now he's coming off a blown-out knee, and has to learn how to be a pocket QB.

Those are just facts - reputation can only carry you so far.
 
That's a fair take. I just meant, I'm not sure how much he's lost yet. You could very well be right.

I am even saying he is at 80%. I am just not sure he is the guy he was three years ago. He really hasn't been the last two years other than a great playoff run two years ago. He hasn't have at least 28 TD passes or over a 100 QB rating since 2022. You look at all of his numbers, they are down significantly from that point.

He could just be at 95% of his best playing days, but that is a significant drop off but would still make him one of the best QBs in the NFL.
 
He’ll go that long.

Maybe not much after that. But most guys make it to that age now.
If so he can't play like he did, he'll have to become a pocket passer. Not sure if he has what it takes to do that.
 
He’ll go that long.

Maybe not much after that. But most guys make it to that age now.

Name an athletic QB like Mahomes who has gone that long. Rodgers had a lot of athleticism, but he is far closer to a traditional pocket passer than Mahomes.

I am starting to wonder if Lamar Jackson is going to make it to 32 never mind his late 30s.
 
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Name an athletic QB like Mahomes who has gone that long. Rodgers had a lot of athleticism, but he is far closer to a traditional pocket passer than Mahomes.

I am starting to wonder if Lamar Jackson is going to make it to 32 never mind his late 30s.
Yeah he'll have to figure it out too. With Harbaugh gone maybe he'll be asked to do different things on offense.
 
Yeah he'll have to figure it out too. With Harbaugh gone maybe he'll be asked to do different things on offense.
Of that whole group of the 2022 all-stars, the only one who's even tried to adapt his game to a more pocket-oriented approach is Jackson.

With mixed results of course, but at least he's trying. Time will tell if he can figure it out or not.
 
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You are wrong. He ain't Brady. Don't even compare the two.
Nope. Mahomes is every bit as clutch and competitive as Brady. 2025 was the first season not reaching the AFC Championship since Mahomes was the starter.

Best QB in the NFL working on Lombardi # 4.
 
Name an athletic QB like Mahomes who has gone that long. Rodgers had a lot of athleticism, but he is far closer to a traditional pocket passer than Mahomes.

I am starting to wonder if Lamar Jackson is going to make it to 32 never mind his late 30s.
Farve was athletic.

KC fixed the RB problem for 2026.
 
Which they only have for this year and next year. He's getting at least $44M in 2028.
The Cap will rise and contract money will be turned into signing bonus and KC will go on.
 
Mahomes can play from too pocket stop hating.
31 fanbases hope that Mahomes is broken down and all washed up so they create a fantasy world where he is just that.

Of those 31, 30 fanbases are same people that preached Brady was all done for a decade long.
 
And people STILL keep ignoring the fact that the Pats roster had begun to deteriorate during the last half of 2019 as age, injuries, and the cap did its work. Brady was NOT going to win another Superbowl in NE without going through a complete rebuild of the roster. They choose to ignore that in 2020 they paid their starting QB ONE Million dollar as STILL barely made it under the cap in 2020.

So, in the end even if they somehow paid Brady the very reasonable price of $25MM for the next 2 years, the cuts they would have had to make to get under the cap would have FURTHER weakened the thin talent pool they had back then. The 20 year era of the Pats being every year Superbowl contender was over guys and even Brady wasn't going to save it. And why would he want to. WHY would he want to play out his last year or two NOT being on a team with a legit chance of being in contention for a title. It would have been a miracle just to get that roster to the playoffs with that roster, AND the GOAT, and you all know it.

Plus, Brady was done in Boston. His wife didn't want to be here. They had sold their home here the year before. His time with BB had come and gone, so why would Brady want to sign a $25MM deal even if it were possible to be offered to him. Tampa and a great OL, a solid run game, and once Gronk unretired, the best group of WR's and TE's in the league, PLUS an offensive coaching staff he could control. Compared to what the Pats had, there was no contest

So, I wonder why the myth evolved that Brady was chased out by Kraft and BB, rather than the TRUTH, which was simply, it was Brady's best interests to leave the Pats and finish up his career with a team that could compete for championships. NO ONE chased him out of town.
No one chased him out of town huh? It seems like this board has revisionist history and has no idea what was going on behind the scenes since 2014. The dirty laundry was leaking around 2018 (which was dismissed here) and later got aired after Brady's departure/2020 season. Grab your favorite drink, relax in your favorite spot because we're going down memory lane:

BB was already looking for Brady's successor as early as 2014. But you could go back even further to 2009 when they played games with Matt Cassel as insurance to Tom Brady. Cassel made a massive mistake signing his franchise tender giving the Pats full control. That's a story for another day.

Tom House on having a conversation with BB after the 2013 season:

"Belichick called us in and said, 'OK, tell me why I shouldn't trade Tom Brady.' I think at this time Tom was 37 or 36," House said. "And I just said, 'Well the research shows that if Tom does the things that he's supposed to do ... there's no reason he shouldn't play until he's 45."


BB proceeded to waste a 2nd round pick on Jimmy G for him to play a whopping 6 quarters. Not to mention BB wasted a 3rd round pick after Brady's record breaking season on Kevin O'Connell. That was just flat out stupid. Believe it or not, every player is watching who the team drafts yearly.

The Pats were trying to sign a backup QB (Jimmy G) to an $18M AAV extension to replace Brady:

The Patriots repeatedly offered Garoppolo four-year contract extensions, in the $17 million to $18 million range annually that would go higher if and when he succeeded Brady. Garoppolo and Yee rejected the offers out of hand, for reasons that remain unclear, and the Patriots knew they couldn't make any promises to Garoppolo about the timing of a transition at quarterback without it getting back to Brady."

BB's initial intention was to trade Tom Brady to the 49ers in 2017 before Bob Kraft put an end to it:

"Miller quotes a current director of player personnel as saying, “We were calling Bill once a week, I swear to God, trying to get Jimmy. You might not remember this, but at the time, no one loved the (2018) quarterback class in the draft, and Garoppolo was set to be a free agent. Common sense says you trade him. And Belichick is the best at this — shipping off guys for draft picks — so we thought it would be an easy trade.”

It was, for 49ers GM John Lynch, who filched Garoppolo from New England for a second round pick. But not before Belichick tried to pass Brady onto the 49ers, Miller reports. But Patriots owner Robert Kraft forbade Belichick from offloading the GOAT."
"Brady, Belichick and Kraft haven’t been the same since Tom learned that Bill was ready to get rid of him. And that lit a fire under his (hindquarters).”



It's pretty obvious Tom Brady found out what was going on with Jimmy G. He had a meeting with Kraft and forced him to get rid of Jimmy G:

"Belichick reportedly left an hours-long meeting, during which Kraft issued the mandate: trade Garoppolo because he would not be in the team's long-term plans, and then, once again, find the best quarterback in the draft and develop him. Belichick was furious and demoralized, according to friends."


After the move had been announced, Wickersham reports Brady hugged owner Robert Kraft later that week, “in full view of teammates.”


This was short lived because the Malcolm Butler Super Bowl debacle happened where Tom Brady set passing records only to lose the game. This prompted several meetings at Bob Kraft's home because he was concerned Tom and BB's relationship was going south:

"She (Giselle) also pointed out how ridiculous it was that after all these years, Belichick still treated Brady like "f****** Johnny Foxboro." It was bad enough to never voice approval. It was ******** to still be dressing down the most accomplished quarterback in league history during team meetings and treating his personal trainer and best friend like some kind of outcast.

When the conversation shifted to the future, Brady and Bündchen indicated it was time for them to make some changes that were in the best interest of their family. Among other things, they were contemplating a change of scenery."


The meeting didn't go anywhere and Tom initially wanted out after the Eagles Super Bowl loss. Bob had another private conversation with Tom and was willing to let him go:

"Tommy, if you want to go, you can go," Kraft told Brady on a phone call during that time. "

Tom decided to return.


They just won a freaking Super Bowl, but posters still seem to be in heavy denial that the 2019 off-season wasn't a complete joke. BB wasn't even trying to maximize Brady's last season. From the disastrous Free agency signing retread after retread where none of the WR's stayed on the team. Giving Josh Gordan another chance when he quit on the team in 2018. Drafting one WR who was a complete doofus, a CB that wasn't needed, a RB that was caught the dreaded "Foxboro" flu gave Tom absolutely nothing to work with that season. After initially being cut, Demaryius Thomas only re-signed with the Pats because he was under the impression he was going to be on the 53 man roster. He was pissed when the bomb dropped on him he was traded to the Jets after AB signed.

"It was disrespectful to me," Thomas said. "Like, you know, you could trust me and I could trust you. You told me when you cut me at the (final) cut, sit around you'll bring me back. And I stayed. I could have easily become a Jet once I got cut. ... I could have been here the next day after I got released. But I chose to stay."


Gronk retiring earlier didn't help matters because was also tired of BB. One year prior, he cut communication off with the team after the Eagles loss. BB retaliated by trying to trade him to the Lions.



After all that, now the Pats were playing games not wanting to sign Brady to a measly 2 year $50M deal. That was when Tom made a business decision. According to Brian Hoyer, he was under the impression Brady was planning to sit out the season had Kraft not removed the Pats ability to tag him after 2019.




Years later, Kraft admits to Tom Brady Sr. that he made a mistake not re-signing Tom Brady:

"He just said, 'I made a mistake'."

"It appears that the decision to let Brady walk fell 100% on Belichick. According to an ESPN story from mid-January, Kraft was pretty irate after watching Brady win a Lombardi Trophy with another team."

"Bill had told me he couldn't play anymore, and then he goes out and wins the f---ing Super Bowl," Kraft reportedly said back in February 2021."



Do you see a pattern here? BB has been trying to find ways to push Brady out for years. So when I make a statement like I did in my previous post, I don't say it for absolutely no reason.
 
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Didn't say Mahomes was dead. I said that his best playing days may be behind him. That is a huge difference. Mahomes at 80% is still a top 10ish QB. He just isn't elite at 80%.
I'm intrigued to see how he performs without All Pros dotted all over his Offence.
 
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