Gonzo Contract Poll

[mgteich]

Don't just offer it: stick to it. He would net a great deal in a trade. In my mind, there are incipient questions about his physical fragility, his attitude, his toughness: enough to give one pause, but not enough that he won't yield a huge haul in a trade. I don't think we need be at all squeamish about including the trade option in our thinking. If it becomes clear Gonzo is convinced that his compensation ought be at the top of all defensive players irrespective of position rather than at the top of the CB pay scale (my vote: $32.5-35 million) there's no reason to dally-dally. Trade the fragile beast. Top-rank CB's are rare, but very good, serviceable ones are not. It ain't "Apres Gonzo, le deluge." It's "Apres Gonzo, a suitable if lesser alternative." Pick a price and have the Moxie to stick to it.

Trade him and start Woods at corner this year? ROFL

 

[Thelonious]

Trade him and start Woods at corner this year? ROFL

I was unaware Woods is the only conceivable option. If you have an actual, honest argument in reponse to what I actually said, let's hear it.

 

[TommyD4207]

I was unaware Woods is the only conceivable option. If you have an actual, honest argument in reponse to what I actually said, let's hear it.

You brought it up.

@mgteich 's point is 100% accurate. Gonzalez' backup is Woods. Moving an aging (and misses 2-3 snaps per game) Carlton Davis to CB1.

What's your plan? What are the conceivable options? Try to be a bit more specific than 'bring in a guy'. Thanks in advance.

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[Water Boy]

Just curious, there was a big contingent of folks who think a 2028 first round pick for AJB was a massive overpay.

If Gonzo could fetch 2 first rounders plus save 35-40 million against the cap where is your head on that?

 

[TommyD4207]

Just curious, there was a big contingent of folks who think a 2028 first round pick for AJB was a massive overpay.

If Gonzo could fetch 2 first rounders plus save 35-40 million against the cap where is your head on that?

Who. Are. You. Replacing. A. Top. 3. Corner. In. The. League. With?

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

They have to keep him this year. The only trade that would have been viable but still would have screwed them in the secondary was Gonzo and picks for Myles Garrett. Now that he’s off the board you have to keep him, at least for this year. Next year? Different story. I’m sure they’ll work out some kind of deal.

 

[Thelonious]

You brought it up.

@mgteich 's point is 100% accurate. Gonzalez' backup is Woods. Moving an aging (and misses 2-3 snaps per game) Carlton Davis to CB1.

What's your plan? What are the conceivable options? Try to be a bit more specific than 'bring in a guy'. Thanks in advance.

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There will be a variety of opportunities to pick up players at all positions, CB included, before the season. The specifics are - obviously - not yet available as to what options might emerge. The plan would be to evaluate what we have, determine our needs based on that evaluation, and look for the best alternatives: viatrade, other teams' castoffs, and so on. There is huge turnover in the league between now and the season. If we move on from Gonzo, we will not in the short term acquire a player of equivalent worth - again, obviously - but we WILL have the very considerable return for trading him. No honest analysis will ignore this fact. The question is at what point that compensation is of greater value than the loss of the player. In my view, as I have said, and explained at some length, that is around $32.5-35Million. Perhaps you disagree with that number: fine, make your case; but to imply that Woods or any other player is the only option and that the sky will certainly fall if we bid Gonzo farewell is just silly.

 

[TommyD4207]

There will be a variety of opportunities to pick up players at all positions, CB included, before the season. The specifics are - obviously - not yet available as to what options might emerge. The plan would be to evaluate what we have, determine our needs based on that evaluation, and look for the best alternatives: viatrade, other teams' castoffs, and so on. There is huge turnover in the league between now and the season. If we move on from Gonzo, we will not in the short term acquire a player of equivalent worth - again, obviously - but we WILL have the very considerable return for trading him. No honest analysis will ignore this fact. The question is at what point that compensation is of greater value than the loss of the player. In my view, as I have said, and explained at some length, that is around $32.5-35Million. Perhaps you disagree with that number: fine, make your case; but to imply that Woods or any other player is the only option and that the sky will certainly fall if we bid Gonzo farewell is just silly.

I don't disagree with the number. I think it will be a bargain three years into his contract, when we have a perennial all-pro corner still in his prime, locking down half the field. He's done that, and proven it on the biggest stages.

Replacing that with Woods, or whatever veteran cast-offs will be available after camp cuts, would significantly harm what would otherwise very likely be the best secondary in the entire league.

And for what?

 

[Thelonious]

I don't disagree with the number. I think it will be a bargain three years into his contract, when we have a perennial all-pro corner still in his prime, locking down half the field. He's done that, and proven it on the biggest stages.

Replacing that with Woods, or whatever veteran cast-offs will be available after camp cuts, would significantly harm what would otherwise very likely be the best secondary in the entire league.

And for what?

I agree. It will "significantly harm" the secondary. But one cannot ignore the offsetting gain which the return in trading him would certainly yield. All I am saying is that in thinking about the matter comprehensively - taking into account both what is lost and what is gained - there is a number at which trading him is the wiser course. I put that number at 32.5-35 (the highest number in the poll). Above that number, in my mind, and I assume in the minds of others who chose it, trading him is the better option, I guess if someone who chose that number disagrees with this, then he should have chosen a higher number, and I think there is actually a pretty good case for choosing that higher number, depending on how great you think the damage in losing him would be, but again if that's how you feel, then you really should be picking a higher number. Even as high as 40 is not outrageous, but the X-factor is that with a likely 70-million hit coming to sign Drake, and with a few other signings we will likely (hopefully!) want to be making down the line, 40 million for a CB begins to look excessive.

It's a good problem to have, really, because the two possible outcomes are either a really good corner, or a big fat bag of picks. I suppose it depends on whether one places a hgiher value on the present roster or on future ones, a matter of taste, I suppose, or of temperament.