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Former Patriot David Andrews Believes Lomu Will Push Campbell For Starting Role

His wingspan measure is an outlier, but the question is whether that has anything to do with being an effective OT, especially given his other plus athleticism & size measures. I haven't seen or heard any evidence of that, just ipso facto conjecture.

Can't think of any plays where he got beat and I thought "Geez that wouldn't have happened if his left-hand to right-hand length, with arms fully extended to the sides, were a few inches longer".

That said, whatever the coaches decide I'm fine with.

Joe Thomas has weighed in on this numerous times and said that arm length measurements include the length of a players hand, and what State is referring to is literally the length of a fingernail, it's ********. What matters is how quick and powerful they can get their hands into a defenders chest, as well as their leverage. I have absolutely no problem at all with them putting Lomu at left tackle if he plays better there than Campbell, but I do have a problem with agenda driven assholes who pretend they are draft experts, especially when their track record is ****. E.g.. claiming that Spencer Rattler is a star who the Patriots should have drafted instead of Maye. Anyone that stupid should just keep their mouth shut.
 
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Caleb Lomu has LT written all over him.
Just like Will Campbell has LG.
It’s a length issue.
Both are nearly identical in height. And although Lomu’s arms are a tad over an inch longer, his wingspan is a little over five inches longer, 82 3/4” v. 77 3/8”. That’s helpful in pass protection.

Don’t forget that Campbell’s wingspan ranks dead last for OTs since records were first kept in 2011.

There go my hopes for Lomu.
 
I was a guy who always felt that Matt Light would have excelled at LG, however for the Pats he was MORE valuable as a solid LT than an exceptional LG. That's the thing. All this talk about moving Campbell is simply stupid for THIS year at least. Lomu is coming into the league with a defined role to fill. He is NOT a finished product. He lacks functional strength and experience to excel immediately as an LT or even a RT in his rookie year. He DOES have a chance to excel as the swing T since he has the POTENTIAL to become an outstanding OT in a year or two.

I keep pointing out that rookies make mistakes and have big hurdles to overcome in their first year. Why waste a full year of experience that Campbell accrued only to see similar mistakes be made by the LAST OT taken in the first round, not the first. It would be detrimental for the team to put Lomu at LT this year and move Will to LG (a position he has never played) It Makes NO sense. What do you do with ATV. It is not your best use of your existing talent. You want to revisit NEXT season, be my guest, but for THIS season. Will Campbell should be our LT.

The correct strategy is to give Campbell a full season to see if he has improved his game and gained from his experiences of last season. Rookies do NOT end up being the same players they were as rookies. There IS value in the snaps they took over their first years, and they often improve, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little. Don't throw that away on the false whim that Lomu is a better LT than Will Campbell without ever putting on pads as a Patriot.
 
Yes. I agree. Ownenu just restructure so that's likely due to a number of things. But your right we are going to need another G. Vrabel will draft one.
If one of the 3 OT must play LG, then surely we aren't cutting AVT, a very capable RG.
 
Campbell at LG could come into play because of injuries. With AVT's history and Moses's age, it wouldn't be surprising.

AVT out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-Onwenu-Moses
Moses out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-AVT-Onwenu.

Gotta play your best five.
 
Campbell at LG could come into play because of injuries. With AVT's history and Moses's age, it wouldn't be surprising.

AVT out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-Onwenu-Moses
Moses out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-AVT-Onwenu.

Gotta play your best five.
so, you don't think that Campbell is a tackle. OK.
 
Campbell at LG could come into play because of injuries. With AVT's history and Moses's age, it wouldn't be surprising.

AVT out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-Onwenu-Moses
Moses out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-AVT-Onwenu.

Gotta play your best five.

Moron
 
so, you don't think that Campbell is a tackle. OK.

As a starting-caliber Left Tackle on a legit contender? No I don't. In fact, I think this is gonna be Stumpy's last season as the starting LT of the NEP. 2027 will see him as the starter at either LG, RG or RT.
 
As a starting-caliber Left Tackle on a legit contender? No I don't. In fact, I think this is gonna be Stumpy's last season as the starting LT of the NEP. 2027 will see him as the starter at either LG, RG or RT.
OK. And for the record, I think that Campbell is a much better prospect at LT than at RG. I'm fine with Lomu and Campbell being starters for the foreseeable future wherever they start. We have the luxury of 2 camps and a season to see who should play where in 2027. Personally, barring injuries or retirements, I think that the starters are set for 2026.

My point was that I wouldn't move Campbell to LG this year if there was an injury.
 
If one of the 3 OT must play LG, then surely we aren't cutting AVT, a very capable RG.
Something of note to think about.. Holley on NBC sports Boston the other night mentioned something that I can really see come to fruition.. as Ownenu and his contract situation I can see a scenario where he's not here next season AVT plays RG, Campbell played LG and Lomu is LT..
 
Campbell at LG could come into play because of injuries. With AVT's history and Moses's age, it wouldn't be surprising.

AVT out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-Onwenu-Moses
Moses out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-AVT-Onwenu.

Gotta play your best five.
 
Campbell at LG could come into play because of injuries. With AVT's history and Moses's age, it wouldn't be surprising.

AVT out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-Onwenu-Moses
Moses out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-AVT-Onwenu.

Gotta play your best five.

Big Mike at RT? Please God no, not again.
 
Something of note to think about.. Holley on NBC sports Boston the other night mentioned something that I can really see come to fruition.. as Ownenu and his contract situation I can see a scenario where he's not here next season AVT plays RG, Campbell played LG and Lomu is LT..

Who plays RT then? King Kong Crownover?
 
I was a guy who always felt that Matt Light would have excelled at LG, however for the Pats he was MORE valuable as a solid LT than an exceptional LG. That's the thing. All this talk about moving Campbell is simply stupid for THIS year at least. Lomu is coming into the league with a defined role to fill. He is NOT a finished product. He lacks functional strength and experience to excel immediately as an LT or even a RT in his rookie year. He DOES have a chance to excel as the swing T since he has the POTENTIAL to become an outstanding OT in a year or two.

I keep pointing out that rookies make mistakes and have big hurdles to overcome in their first year. Why waste a full year of experience that Campbell accrued only to see similar mistakes be made by the LAST OT taken in the first round, not the first. It would be detrimental for the team to put Lomu at LT this year and move Will to LG (a position he has never played) It Makes NO sense. What do you do with ATV. It is not your best use of your existing talent. You want to revisit NEXT season, be my guest, but for THIS season. Will Campbell should be our LT.

The correct strategy is to give Campbell a full season to see if he has improved his game and gained from his experiences of last season. Rookies do NOT end up being the same players they were as rookies. There IS value in the snaps they took over their first years, and they often improve, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little. Don't throw that away on the false whim that Lomu is a better LT than Will Campbell without ever putting on pads as a Patriot.

Agree completely Ken. And as far as the tackles go I really don't care who ends up playing on which side, but the talk of moving Campbell to Guard because his fingers aren't long enough is maximum stupidity. With the exception of a few 1st ballot HOF tackles every rookie tackle has ups and downs, and even most of Campbell's critics from the draft ended up admitting in a nea culpa thread that Campbell was playing well before his injury last season.

Overall, and not limited to Patsfsnsvor football I think there is impatience among sports fans, as well as society in general with allowing players and people to develop into what they can be. It's instant results or " THEY SUCK, GET RID IF THEM!!!" And we see that in spades on this site. And it isn't just player development where this is true, it's most obvious in the game threads, where people are shrieking about how much everyone sucks 5 minutes into the 1st quarter of the 1st game. It's brutal, and I have no patience or tolerance for it, which is why I never partake in game discussions, because imo that's where the assholes truly reign. But unfortunately it's true if life in general, immediate results or else.

If the Patriots are going to have long term success the most important factors in that are choosing the right people/players and developing them into the best players they can become. That takes a good deal of time for most of these kids, and even if fans can't handle that the team and coaches have to be willing to withstand the pressure from them and continue working with them to get them to that point. Vrabel has said it took him 4 years to even start becoming the player he wanted to be, and the Steelers couldn't see it, but fortunately Belichick did and gave him the ppportunities as he earned more and more of them.

For the Patriots it's not just Campbell and Lomu who need to really develop , it's most of this team, from Maye to Crownover. Maye has already taken big steps in his development, but still has work to do to get him to where both he and they want him to get to. And while some here will pull their remaining hairs and and scream and shout any time he makes a mistake, the good bet is that he will ultimately be a consistent top QB in this league for years to come. And given time many of their young player can and will turn out to be good contributors for them. And imo the development of the 25' draft class, as well as Maye's continued development will be the biggest factors in their success or failure this coming season. If most of them continue to improve they will be a top contender, if they don't they could fail to make the playoffs.

I believe they got it right on most of their young players, and the experiences of last season, as well as a full offseason will result in much better play this year. That, paired with the additions in free agency and some of this years draft picks will result in a much better team. It's unlikely that their record will be better, but they are facing a much tougher schedule, and will hold up well against it, make the playoffs, and be a tougher team to knock out than last years was, despite their Super Bowl appearance. I'm not going to wish the good weather away, as that's a short season in Maine, but I am looking forward to seeing how much they have improved when the season does get here.
 
Oh Tom.. I'm with you man.. I was just making mention of what the comments were.. I'm sure that soothes the minds of Campbell haters..

Hey, for me it’s whatever wins. If the King develops and can play RT - great!
 
Hey, for me it’s whatever wins. If the King develops and can play RT - great!
Same here.. I don't know what the fascination is with dumping on Campbell..guys a talented, athletic player. What we have heading into this season is a young elite QB that wants vengeance from the superbowl.. a head coach of the year that had an eventful offseason and has sharpened even more his commitment to the team and the process.. that only is beneficial!
 
The only wingspan listed on that graphic is Rashawn Slater at 80,” not amazing but still a few inches wider than Campbell.

The other guys don’t have wingspans because most publications didn’t publish them prior to a certain date. Some guys are broad across the torso, they’re wide dudes. Campbell, Thuney are both tall… they’re just narrow.

And I have have been consistent about Campbell prior to the draft, after the draft until now. I never said he couldn’t play tackle, I just asked aloud if it was optimal. He might be a decent tackle like Thuney was, but he might be an All Pro guard.

There’s nothing wrong with being a superior guard, it’s just that people here will whine about his draft position. I don’t frankly give a rats ass about draft position, I just want a large dominant offensive line.

Draftscout.com (formerly NFLDraftscout.com) has published Wingspan going back to the 2013 draft.

Rashawn Slater - 80 1/8
Braden Smith - 78 1/8
Berhard Rainmann - 81 1/4


What's interesting is how people like @State have taken to yammering about Wingspan because they know that if they talk about Arm Length, they'll get shut down by people bringing up Dante's interviews on the subject.
 
Campbell at LG could come into play because of injuries. With AVT's history and Moses's age, it wouldn't be surprising.

AVT out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-Onwenu-Moses
Moses out: Lomu-WC-Wilson-AVT-Onwenu.

Gotta play your best five.

This is exactly why peple call you an idiot.

You don't shift Campbel to LG, a position he's never played, with an injury to AVT. You put in Ben Brown.

You don't shift the entire line with an injury to Moses. You put Lomu in at RT. A position he's practiced at in College.

As a reminder, Onwenu at RT was bad. Almost as bad as him being at LG. It wasn't Vederian Lowe or Demontray Jacobs, bad, but it was bad.
 
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