Patriots Rumor A.J. Brown trade rumors heat up - Should Patriots get him?

[Hugepatsfan]

Brown seems to want to be a Patriot.

I'm trying to reconcile the respect he has for Vrabel in this clip here with how he acts in PHI complaining about stats and not getting the ball enough. is he maybe bipolar or split personality disorder?

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I don't think that we are spending a lot on any position but the OL and EDGE rushers.
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That being said, I think that we can sign a free agent WR who will be more valuable to the team than Douglas. A minor trade could work also.

I expect the Pats to focus heavily on edge and OL in the draft. I think there is enough cap space to trade for Brown, sign a good vet LG and rotational pass rushing vet. If you combine that with drafting another edge or two, going quality tackle with one of the first two picks then I I would be very happy with the offseason.

 

[upstater1]

The will to shut up the doubters is worth $35m.

 

[Ross12]

I'm trying to reconcile the respect he has for Vrabel in this clip here with how he acts in PHI complaining about stats and not getting the ball enough. is he maybe bipolar or split personality disorder?

I think it's as simple as drawing a direct comparison between Vrabel and Sirianni. You can kind of figure out the differences yourself pretty easily there. And since Brown can't really change Sirianni, he kind of becomes a diva demanding the ball to try to "do it himself" so to speak. I also am pretty sure he just doesn't like Jalen Hurts, who seems to ruffle the feathers of some players.

Brown going back to Vrabel with a newfound appreciation for his coaching, plus working with a very humble Drake Maye who just plain throws the ball better than Hurts, will do a lot for him from a locker room fit standpoint.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Brown has wanted to be a Patriot from day one. I think it’s time to give him what he wants.

 

[Borg140]

I think it's as simple as drawing a direct comparison between Vrabel and Sirianni. You can kind of figure out the differences yourself pretty easily there. And since Brown can't really change Sirianni, he kind of becomes a diva demanding the ball to try to "do it himself" so to speak. I also am pretty sure he just doesn't like Jalen Hurts, who seems to ruffle the feathers of some players.

Brown going back to Vrabel with a newfound appreciation for his coaching, plus working with a very humble Drake Maye who just plain throws the ball better than Hurts, will do a lot for him from a locker room fit standpoint.

I agree, but if it was up to me, I wouldn’t give up a first round pick for him. I doubt any deal gets done, but stranger things have happened.

 

[TheRainMaker]

AJ Brown wouldn't have been the difference against Seattle in the Super Bowl. That OL looked like what we faced playing Madden. Pass on Brown and build a solid line for Maye.

 

[Ross12]

I agree, but if it was up to me, I wouldn’t give up a first round pick for him. I doubt any deal gets done, but stranger things have happened.

I don't think it will cost a first. Part of the reason a trade will happen is because Philly gets out of paying a big option bonus to Brown if they trade him. They get to saddle his new team with that option bonus. So, due to that, it deflates his trade value. If they wait to trade him until after they've paid him, then his trade value will go up but so does the amount of money that Philly will have to pay him, so they're inclined to move him sooner.

I'm guessing it will be something like a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a future pick, or perhaps a player trade.

 

[MrTibbs]

AJ Brown wouldn't have been the difference against Seattle in the Super Bowl. That OL looked like what we faced playing Madden. Pass on Brown and build a solid line for Maye.

I think the Patriots and Drake Maye need Oline help AND AJ Brown.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm trying to reconcile the respect he has for Vrabel in this clip here with how he acts in PHI complaining about stats and not getting the ball enough. is he maybe bipolar or split personality disorder?

I have seen people say that Brown's real problem with the Eagles is with Jalen Hurts and not him getting the ball. And these rumors say that there are a lot of players on Brown's side, but just not showing their frustrations publicly. He never actually complained about stats or not getting the ball enough. He has just acted out without any indication of what he is actually upset about. People assume it is he is upset about not getting the ball or the stats.

Brown and Hurts used to close. Now it seems that they hate each other.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't think it will cost a first. Part of the reason a trade will happen is because Philly gets out of paying a big option bonus to Brown if they trade him. They get to saddle his new team with that option bonus. So, due to that, it deflates his trade value. If they wait to trade him until after they've paid him, then his trade value will go up but so does the amount of money that Philly will have to pay him, so they're inclined to move him sooner.

I'm guessing it will be something like a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a future pick, or perhaps a player trade.

They won't get more than a second round pick for Brown. And that isn't guaranteed.

The Eagles only gave up a first and third round pick four years ago when Brown was only 24 and still on his rookie deal. He is now going to be 29 at the start of the season and has a big contract. No way his value only decreased by a third round pick.

 

[Grogan14]

Eagles insider says PHL wants to keep him
I think its true.

A.J. Brown trade rumor from Eagles insider is bad news for Bills, Broncos, Patriots | Sporting News

 

[n1997y]

Certainly fits what any reasonable observer would say (which never means it can't be wrong, of course.) We all know all the stuff is connected to all the other stuff, but what I never see is a breakdown saying that we have a plague of drops. From there you ask, 'Well can our guys get open?" Raise your hand if you've noticed guys open not getting the look, or open but Drake thought the ball needed one more pat. From there, I'm asking how much time he got? how much time he need? And we're back to the trenches.

I got jazzed on Drake early because whatever was a problem one weak, he'd beat it the next, etc. His development was going in the right direction... then we hit the playoffs, as we all know. It wasn't a foregone conclusion he was at his ceiling, but it turned out he was. And when I put that on Drake, every single time that means Drake and the O-line. He needs more time than they can give him to make the right call. The good thing about that is that we have a young left side and a young quarterback, with Campbell not 100%. I like their chances to take next steps, and that's free. But we need to be younger and better across the line and that includes backup bodies, if possible. We're always worried about acquiring marquee receivers... I'm ready to get jazzed for a big receiver move but it would surprise me, and I'm not rooting for it. Drake needs to not be on his ass for the ball to get to the marquee receiver.

Spot on, great analysis.

I’d just say, I disagree Drake was at his ceiling. I think he plateaued in the playoffs, but I expect continued development over the offseason and in the coming year. Maybe you could say he hit his ceiling for the season but I don’t think that talking about a player’s ceiling is segmented like that.

It may be that the experience of the playoffs altered the trajectory of Drake’s career and he really did hit his ceiling, or his ceiling came down on him then and he’ll never rise above what we saw then. I don’t think that’s likely but if it is the worries about the cap hit from extending him will be unfounded.

No matter, you are correct. Until we solve the OL there’s no way to know whether our receivers are already as good as any we could sign as FAs but unable to show it because the OL and QB are the limitations holding the offense back. Spending heavily on a WR is a distraction, diverting resources and attention from fixing the real problem.

Another way to look at it, if you can have only one, who would do more to improve the offense: A.J.Brown, or Tyler Linderbaum?

 

[n1997y]

AJ Brown wouldn't have been the difference against Seattle in the Super Bowl. That OL looked like what we faced playing Madden. Pass on Brown and build a solid line for Maye.

Simple question.

You must improve the offense. You can have either, but not both.

Who do you get, A.J.Brown, or Tyler Linderbaum?

 

[upstater1]

Simple question.

You must improve the offense. You can have either, but not both.

Who do you get, A.J.Brown, or Tyler Linderbaum?

AJ Brown.

If you were to ask me if I'd prefer Tristan Wirfs or AJ Brown, I would change my mind.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Spot on, great analysis.

I’d just say, I disagree Drake was at his ceiling. I think he plateaued in the playoffs, but I expect continued development over the offseason and in the coming year. Maybe you could say he hit his ceiling for the season but I don’t think that talking about a player’s ceiling is segmented like that.

It may be that the experience of the playoffs altered the trajectory of Drake’s career and he really did hit his ceiling, or his ceiling came down on him then and he’ll never rise above what we saw then. I don’t think that’s likely but if it is the worries about the cap hit from extending him will be unfounded.

No matter, you are correct. Until we solve the OL there’s no way to know whether our receivers are already as good as any we could sign as FAs but unable to show it because the OL and QB are the limitations holding the offense back. Spending heavily on a WR is a distraction, diverting resources and attention from fixing the real problem.

Another way to look at it, if you can have only one, who would do more to improve the offense: A.J.Brown, or Tyler Linderbaum?

to clarify: you're absolutely right that we can only say he hit his season ceiling, and I hope that's all he did hit. That's what I meant, and that's why I think at least a little more potency on offense is built on - we're developing some of the most important pieces (including a couple of the receivers, by the way.) It's striking to hear that we want to get younger, better, cheaper, as 2 out of 3 of those are correlated (younger and cheaper). As to the above question, yes, give me Lindebaum every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall figuring out how to get Drake to make faster, better decisions, etc., but I think he'll look like a genius with another half a second, especially if our QB coach is able to settle down the pattycake and happy feet. I don't mean the scrambles, which he seems to use advisedly now. I mean the hop back and forth. Going by memory here, but I thought I noticed he was doing that when flustered. I think he's going to be able to react more quickly, but allowing the punishment we've allowed to get to him is how you break QBs. He's been tough about it. He needs to stop needing to (i.e., he needs better line play.) We also made the call that a hurt Campbell is better than a healthy JAG, and he just got manhandled in the SB.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I'm trying to reconcile the respect he has for Vrabel in this clip here with how he acts in PHI complaining about stats and not getting the ball enough. is he maybe bipolar or split personality disorder?

Well Vrabel knows AJ Brown very well so if he feels confident in getting AJ Brown on board I would totally support trading for him. Vrabel drafted him and coached him hard. I think eventually Brown got on board and flourished in Tennessee.

 

[Rob0729]

Eagles insider says PHL wants to keep him
I think its true.

A.J. Brown trade rumor from Eagles insider is bad news for Bills, Broncos, Patriots | Sporting News

They may want to keep him or they are just saying that to drive up his trade value. We see it all the time. A team absolutely loves their player and refuses to trade him until they do. The best way to drive up the price on a trade for one of the players you are willing to trade is to say you don't want to trade him.

Plus, it helps if they can't get their price and they are stuck with the player. Then they can prevent any issues with the player who might be pissed off by the team openly trying to trade him.

Again, they may really want to keep him. But there is no way to tell if this is really true unless they hang up the phone on every team that calls.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

AJ Brown wouldn't have been the difference against Seattle in the Super Bowl. That OL looked like what we faced playing Madden. Pass on Brown and build a solid line for Maye.

Idk, I feel like one big play on offense *that results in a TD* could have changed the direction of the game. The problem is we made no plays at all until the game was basically over. Momentum is a real thing in sports and we didn't get a single thing going all game. That is demoralizing and Seattle eventually put the game away because of it.

 

[mgteich]

Simple question.

You must improve the offense. You can have either, but not both.

Who do you get, A.J.Brown, or Tyler Linderbaum?

Linderbaum