Will Campbell Watch

[sb1]

That was tough to watch. Wilson wasn't any better.

I think some tough conversations need to be had about the T position. What we saw tonight on the LS of the line isn't going to cut it.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I had this fear going into the draft about Campbell as he just didn't have enough pedigree to be worthy of the #4 selection. I'm seriously concerned about his lower body strength. Aside from his lack of arm length, the other knock on him was that he gets pushed back. I noticed it all season him getting pushed into Maye and it was alarming tonight. Putting him at G isn't going to solve that. This has got to improve.

With that said, the Pats couldn't take the risk and take someone else like Hunter, Carter or Tet. Pats needed a T badly.

We drafted for need. To be fair Campbell played well against average edge rushers. It's just he got keenly exposed against elite ones.

Myles Garrett notching 5 sacks against the Patriots was a red flag. You could almost have dismissed it as an outlier because Garrett is probably the best defensive end in all of football. However Campbell's struggles continued into the postseason and he was EXPOSED today by the Seahawks defense.

I believe we need to continue looking for a bona fide left tackle to protect Maye's blind side. Move up in the 1st if you have to because our OL would look significantly better if we kicked everybody on the left Inside by a slot. Campbell to guard and Wilson to center. With a legit New Left tackle we could be cooking next season!

 

[ViperGTS]

We drafted for need. To be fair Campbell played well against average edge rushers. It's just he got keenly exposed against elite ones.

Myles Garrett notching 5 sacks against the Patriots was a red flag. You could almost have dismissed it as an outlier because Garrett is probably the best defensive end in all of football. However Campbell's struggles continued into the postseason and he was EXPOSED today by the Seahawks defense.

I believe we need to continue looking for a bona fide left tackle to protect Maye's blind side. Move up in the 1st if you have to because our OL would look significantly better if we kicked everybody on the left Inside by a slot. Campbell to guard and Wilson to center. With a legit New Left tackle we could be cooking next season!

This is what needs to happen. You cannot just hope that an offseason gets Campbell and Wilson better. No, what you stated almost needs to happen otherwise the same damn thing will occur next season.

 

[Betterthanmost]

That was tough to watch. Wilson wasn't any better.

I think some tough conversations need to be had about the T position. What we saw tonight on the LS of the line isn't going to cut it.

I hope Vrabel can have those tough conversations with his guys. With Campbell, not sure how you deal with being decleated even at Guard .

 

[n1997y]

That was tough to watch. Wilson wasn't any better.

I think some tough conversations need to be had about the T position. What we saw tonight on the LS of the line isn't going to cut it.

And Morgan Moses got abused considerably.

But all the Will Campbell haters are jumping on the chance to kick him when he’s down, even though the entire O Line played like dogfood.

Doug Marrone is the real question mark after this turd in the punchbowl. The entire OL was poorly prepared and outplayed all night. Only guy I did not see abused frequently was Big Mike, and that may have been just because it was so much easier to attack everywhere else on the line they could just go around him.

I also think Drake was over his head, not able to read the rushers and adjust protection. He was also playing slow and scared. None of that did his OL any favors.

 

[stephens44]

Hate to say it, but Campbell played exactly as was predicted in all the pre-draft analysis. All that statistical analysis etc. was pretty accurate about having issues with elite pass rushers, it literally played out in the playoff and SB right in front of us. I thought he had turned the corner on all that, then the playoffs happened. The pre-draft analysis all clearly stated he's probably better suited to play Guard in the NFL where can excel, I have to agree at this point. If he's a pro-bowl level Guard, its a win.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

He's probably getting surgery soon. No fkn way he was right.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Hate to say it, but Campbell played exactly as was predicted in all the pre-draft analysis. All that statistical analysis etc. was pretty accurate about having issues with elite pass rushers, it literally played out in the playoff and SB right in front of us. I thought he had turned the corner on all that, then the playoffs happened. The pre-draft analysis all clearly stated he's probably better suited to play Guard in the NFL where can excel, I have to agree at this point. If he's a pro-bowl level Guard, its a win.

It was criminal from Vrabel to leave him in the game. It was unfair to the team and to Campbell himself.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

There were several pressures that were the OLs fault, but the sacks and turnovers really weren’t.

- The Hall sack early in the game was due to Wilson knocking Hall free of Campbell’s block.
- The Hall sack on the Maye fumble wasn’t on the OL. It wasn’t even a pressure. Maye thought he saw a running lane and took off, Hall stuck a hand in there and knocked it out. Led to 7 points.
- The Mills sack up the middle vs Bradbury was Drake’s fault, he didn’t see it right in front of him and could have just taken 1 step back to avoid it.
- Witherspoon got home twice on blitzes from deep in the defensive backfield, including the pick 6, due to scheme and Maye not seeing it.

The most impactful negative plays were mostly Drake.

 

[doesntmatter1]

I'm not throwing the towel in on Campbell but he has to get stronger if that is even possible. Imo, he has a weak anchor and that doesn't bode well for any talk as a a guard. At times, he looks like Cole Strange too me.

 

[stelfans]

There were several pressures that were the OLs fault, but the sacks and turnovers really weren’t.

- The Hall sack early in the game was due to Wilson knocking Hall free of Campbell’s block.
- The Hall sack on the Maye fumble wasn’t on the OL. It wasn’t even a pressure. Maye thought he saw a running lane and took off, Hall stuck a hand in there and knocked it out. Led to 7 points.
- The Mills sack up the middle vs Bradbury was Drake’s fault, he didn’t see it right in front of him and could have just taken 1 step back to avoid it.
- Witherspoon got home twice on blitzes from deep in the defensive backfield, including the pick 6, due to scheme and Maye not seeing it.

The most impactful negative plays were mostly Drake.

Its what we've been seeing all season. As bad as the OL might have looked, Maye simply has no pocket awareness and cant take care of the ball.
A lot of the sacks he took were really his fault, going right into the defender. It doesnt take away the fact that the OL needs to be very much improved but unless Maye can clean up that part of his game no OL is gonna matter.

 

[DarrylS]

Maye's & Campbell's injuries seem to have been downplayed, as Maye admitted he could not feel his arm in a post game interview...
With that being said, all night Maye seemed slow to "pull the trigger", was that because of D coverage or simply hesitancy on the part of Maye???
Which gets to my point, I thought that some of sacks and pressures had to do with coverage schemes of the Seahawks... it is not either or, but hesitancy on the part of Maye and Campbell/Wilson not playing well might be a different way of looking at how poorly #66 played...

 

[Thelonious]

The right approach, I think, is pretty clear.

1) Concerns whether Campbell can develop the strength and skills to play at a high level at the LT position are completely legitimate.
2) He has played well enough, starting in his rookie season, that staying with him as a developing player at LT is obviously the right thing to do.
3) It is reasonable to think that his injury set him back and accounts in some part for his decline in play post-injury.
4) He is obviously a very positive presence in the locker room, a really sound teammate, and that actually does matter.
5) If he does not in the end work out at LT, he will almost certainly make an excellent guard,
6)If he does end up as a guard, though that will be a disappointment, it ain't the end of the world, nor is it any sort of catastrophic draft fail. The draft is a crap shoot - it just is - and a good team needs good guards too, after all.

All in all, it's disappointing but not an an occasion for despair or pantytwisting dismay, particularly when the team overall has had such a remarkable season and when they are still, SB loss notwithstanding, well ahead of the expected curve at the end of essentially the first year of a rebuild from the ruination of the late-Bill/Mayo years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The only rookie who played well last night was Woodson, but I expect one the biggest areas of improvement to come from the rookies after a season in the Patriots offseason program. That and the experience almost all of them got this season will make them considerably better next season.

 

[Gronkowski123]

Terrible . Beaten to.hell

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Iceman]

They have to go back to the drawing board, Campbell is not the answer, I think he is flat out terrible. As the season went on I've become less and less impressed with the rookie class outside of Woodson (kicker's been ok too).

 

[sb1]

Mind blowing.

The offense had no chance.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Will needs an NFL offseason of strength and agility training and continued skill and technique development. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he needs knee surgery.

Moving a player to another position after his rookier year oozes impatience.

 

[Thunderhead]

We will be lucky if Campbell ends up being a serviceable guard. He looked like an outright bust last night. Came as close as possible to losing the game single-handedly.