Article on Hollins working with Chism

[mike_usagisan]

Diggs could very well be a goner.

This whole Chef thing was so easily avoided, but he had to go full AB and drag the team into it. The Pats success or failure in this post season is hitched to what happens to Diggs.

Yeah, I would not be surprised if we moved on. But I could also see the whole thing blowing over. Impossible to know what's going to happen at this point.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Right, I would keep them both. So move on from Pop?

Douglass is under contract as well, keep him, add receivers in the offseason, and see how it all works out. You never know what's going to happen with players so why limit the options.

 

[Huckleberry1]

DP

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Vrabel seems to like him: I think the Diggs situation is less complicated than Barmore's.

Barmore's situation is a misdemeanor. If it was complicated it would be a felony, but it isn't, because it was judged to be relatively simple.

Why do you think a misdemeanor is complicated? One step up from a speeding ticket.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Douglass is under contract as well, keep him, add receivers in the offseason, and see how it all works out. You never know what's going to happen with players so why limit the options.

So bring someone(s) in and decide in training camp?

 

[RobertWeathers]

This could have been Hollins best NFL season ever if injury didnt strike. Hollins is still in the game mentoring Chism.

I hope that Hollins recovers and is back next season.

Regardless of injuries, I think it was his best

 

[Toofy]

I think either Boutte or Pop would leave if they get decent compensation 4th round or higher.

We have Chism for next 4 years with ceiling just going to be on the up.

If williams start to show route running capabilities , most likely Boutte is out as he will be too expensive . But again depends on compensation. Considering we have no issues next year just roll with existing ones and draft or sign someone in 2027 . Most likely diggs might not be there in 2027 and if hollins is on last legs he might be able to do one last hurrah.

We need a tight end in next draft to develop with Henry. I wouldn't want us to waste an year of tight end rookie development by playing hooper .

2027 - Henry, diggs. Hollins, Boutte and pop all could potentially be gone . So we need to build some safety net in 2026.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So bring someone(s) in and decide in training camp?

Yep, like any other offseason they will add receivers and go into camp with 12-15 on the roster and then weed them out. The real question will be how much they invest in the position in free agency and the draft, and how much they prioritize WR in relation to other positions. I really don't see any WR they should go after in free agency, but a day 2 pick in the draft is a real consideration. Like last offseason I think defense should be the area to address in free agency, and I think that's where they should address interior OL( Tyler Lindebaum), and then focus more on offense in the draft, but there could be some trade opportunities to explore throughout both processes.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think either Boutte or Pop would leave if they get decent compensation 4th round or higher.

We have Chism for next 4 years with ceiling just going to be on the up.

If williams start to show route running capabilities , most likely Boutte is out as he will be too expensive . But again depends on compensation. Considering we have no issues next year just roll with existing ones and draft or sign someone in 2027 . Most likely diggs might not be there in 2027 and if hollins is on last legs he might be able to do one last hurrah.

We need a tight end in next draft to develop with Henry. I wouldn't want us to waste an year of tight end rookie development by playing hooper .

2027 - Henry, diggs. Hollins, Boutte and pop all could potentially be gone . So we need to build some safety net in 2026.

There is no way I would ever take a 4th round pick for Boutte.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think either Boutte or Pop would leave if they get decent compensation 4th round or higher.

We have Chism for next 4 years with ceiling just going to be on the up.

If williams start to show route running capabilities , most likely Boutte is out as he will be too expensive . But again depends on compensation. Considering we have no issues next year just roll with existing ones and draft or sign someone in 2027 . Most likely diggs might not be there in 2027 and if hollins is on last legs he might be able to do one last hurrah.

We need a tight end in next draft to develop with Henry. I wouldn't want us to waste an year of tight end rookie development by playing hooper .

2027 - Henry, diggs. Hollins, Boutte and pop all could potentially be gone . So we need to build some safety net in 2026.

Not sure why people think that Williams development would mean that BOUTTE would be gone. That makes ZERO sense, imho.

Boutte reminds me of David Givens. A dependable Chain mover. People forget that Boutte is just 23 years old. He's still developing.

Even if Boutte didn't develop more and Williams DID, having a top 3 that included Boutte and Williams would be similar (though with lesser talent) to what the Bucs have had with Evans/Godwin as their top 2. It's a scenario that the Pats fans haven't seen since Moss/Welker.

If Chism develops into a receiver similar to any of Welker / Amendola / Edelman , then that would give the Pats a top 3 that they've never had previously.

I agree that the Pats need a TE to bring along. People had hoped that Dippre would be that, but he's struggled. The Pats also need RB depth in the event that Gibson and Larison don't recover from their injuries.

Look at the Pats this year:
They have 4 receivers with more than 500 yards receiving. They have another receiver with over 400 yards receiving. I went back and looked to see how many times it happened since 2001 when the Dynasty started.

Times when the Pats had 4+ receivers over 400 yards.
2003, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2021.

Times when they had 4+ receivers over 500 yards:
2010, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018
2016-2018 was the Pats historic run where they should have had 3 straight SBs if the league hadn't changed the rules for what was a CATCH literally just prior to the SB.

Boutte has improved as a receiver each year he's been in New England. That's despite having 3 different HCs and OCs. It would behoove the Pats to get him under an extension because he's an above average #2 WR and has the potential to be a very good to excellent #2 WR.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not sure why people think that Williams development would mean that BOUTTE would be gone. That makes ZERO sense, imho.

Boutte reminds me of David Givens. A dependable Chain mover. People forget that Boutte is just 23 years old. He's still developing.

Even if Boutte didn't develop more and Williams DID, having a top 3 that included Boutte and Williams would be similar (though with lesser talent) to what the Bucs have had with Evans/Godwin as their top 2. It's a scenario that the Pats fans haven't seen since Moss/Welker.

If Chism develops into a receiver similar to any of Welker / Amendola / Edelman , then that would give the Pats a top 3 that they've never had previously.

I agree that the Pats need a TE to bring along. People had hoped that Dippre would be that, but he's struggled. The Pats also need RB depth in the event that Gibson and Larison don't recover from their injuries.

Look at the Pats this year:
They have 4 receivers with more than 500 yards receiving. They have another receiver with over 400 yards receiving. I went back and looked to see how many times it happened since 2001 when the Dynasty started.

Times when the Pats had 4+ receivers over 400 yards.
2003, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2021.

Times when they had 4+ receivers over 500 yards:
2010, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018
2016-2018 was the Pats historic run where they should have had 3 straight SBs if the league hadn't changed the rules for what was a CATCH literally just prior to the SB.

Boutte has improved as a receiver each year he's been in New England. That's despite having 3 different HCs and OCs. It would behoove the Pats to get him under an extension because he's an above average #2 WR and has the potential to be a very good to excellent #2 WR.

I agree. Boutte just keeps improving, and he has really good chemistry with Maye. The only question is whether they can get an extension with him, or will Rosenhaus push it to the limit and go to free agency with him. I have no doubt that Boutte will tell Rosenbaum he wants to stay here, but at what cost? I think the Patriots will make fair market offers, but for wide receivers a fair market is actually well above their worth. IMO fair market would be 15 a season, but when mediocre players like Calvin Ridley get 20 per it throws everything out of whack.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If they are going to move a WR I would make it Douglass, Chism can take his role.

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, I would not be surprised if we moved on. But I could also see the whole thing blowing over. Impossible to know what's going to happen at this point.

Diggs salary jumps to 20M next season.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Diggs salary jumps to 20M next season.

What was it this season?

 

[Triumph]

What was it this season?

Less than 3M IIRC.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yep, like any other offseason they will add receivers and go into camp with 12-15 on the roster and then weed them out. The real question will be how much they invest in the position in free agency and the draft, and how much they prioritize WR in relation to other positions. I really don't see any WR they should go after in free agency, but a day 2 pick in the draft is a real consideration. Like last offseason I think defense should be the area to address in free agency, and I think that's where they should address interior OL( Tyler Lindebaum), and then focus more on offense in the draft, but there could be some trade opportunities to explore throughout both processes.

We'll agree to disagree on when the Pats should look at a receiver. They shouldn't look at one before day 3 unless it's someone who was touted as a 1st rounder and is there at the end of Day 2 and he's better than options at RB, LB, DE, and CB.

I think that you're right about the defense. I was looking at some and there are some areas (currently) where it looks to be stronger than I first thought. That could change by the time FA rolls around when teams who are out of the play-offs start negotiating with their own free agents.

 

[Triumph]

Barmore's lady went to the Cops immediately Diggs Chef didn't. No camera evidence or anything almost a Month after the fact.

Diggs accuser was working for him and lived in his home.

She would lose her job and home in one fell swoop. Realtors and Contractors get in with these guys and they're set for life. This Lady would have been too. After this, no athlete or sports professional will hire her.

The whole thing was doomed from the start. It does not look like there was a contract outlining everything and especially cause for termination. Living in the home within an earshot from Diggs bedroom is inappropriate and unprofessional IMO.

 

[DaBruinz]

What was it this season?

His SALARY, by itself, is meaningless. His compensation this year includes: 2.9M salary, 12M in signing bonus, 3.4M in game day roster bonuses (yes, I'm assuming he dresses tomorrow). So, that's 18.3M for this season. Not including the other "performance incentives".

So, the jump for next year to $20.6M in salary is not as big of a deal as some people would like you to believe because the Roster bonuses are halved.

 

[DaBruinz]

There are threads for the Barmore and Diggs issues. Let's leave them there. Unless you're completely incapable of staying on topic.

 

[Toofy]

Not sure why people think that Williams development would mean that BOUTTE would be gone. That makes ZERO sense, imho.

Boutte reminds me of David Givens. A dependable Chain mover. People forget that Boutte is just 23 years old. He's still developing.

Even if Boutte didn't develop more and Williams DID, having a top 3 that included Boutte and Williams would be similar (though with lesser talent) to what the Bucs have had with Evans/Godwin as their top 2. It's a scenario that the Pats fans haven't seen since Moss/Welker.

If Chism develops into a receiver similar to any of Welker / Amendola / Edelman , then that would give the Pats a top 3 that they've never had previously.

I agree that the Pats need a TE to bring along. People had hoped that Dippre would be that, but he's struggled. The Pats also need RB depth in the event that Gibson and Larison don't recover from their injuries.

Look at the Pats this year:
They have 4 receivers with more than 500 yards receiving. They have another receiver with over 400 yards receiving. I went back and looked to see how many times it happened since 2001 when the Dynasty started.

Times when the Pats had 4+ receivers over 400 yards.
2003, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2021.

Times when they had 4+ receivers over 500 yards:
2010, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018
2016-2018 was the Pats historic run where they should have had 3 straight SBs if the league hadn't changed the rules for what was a CATCH literally just prior to the SB.

Boutte has improved as a receiver each year he's been in New England. That's despite having 3 different HCs and OCs. It would behoove the Pats to get him under an extension because he's an above average #2 WR and has the potential to be a very good to excellent #2 WR.

I tend to agree with most what you have said. I don't want to let go of Boutte but just feel if he is going to be in 16-20 million range , we might be willing to let him go for compensation..at 10-11 million we can start talking.