Patriots Pregame Thread Pregame discussion: week 17, @ Jete

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Wow, knew they were bad but these guys are definitely tanking. 3 straight games without coming within 20 of their opponent, yikes ! And 2 of those teams were the saints and dolphins

 

[DaBruinz]

He will be cut.

The one thing they can't do is cut him.

If they cut Tua prior to the 3rd day of the league year, his cap hit jumps to $99.4M with them being on the hook for his $39M in guaranteed salary. They would STILL be on the hook for the option bonus in each 2027-2030.

If they cut Tua after the 3rd day, $3M of his 2027 salary becomes guaranteed as well.

According to OTC, Tua's cap hit if cut after June first would be a 67.4M hit. This is because Tua is receiving $15M in guaranteed option bonuses in 2026 in addition to his $39M in guaranteed Salary. So, his 2027 HIT would be the 43.8M remaining in Amortization PLUS the $3M in guaranteed salary for 46.8M.

Miami is 11.5M over next year's projected cap. They certainly can't afford to eat an additional $43M. Even eating the additional 11M will mean they have to make some big cuts. One of which is almost guaranteed to be Tyreek Hill. They'll also have to push a lot of money into following years...

 

[DaBruinz]

They would have to give up a 2nd round pick to get another team to take that albatross of a contract.
EDIT- BrockOsweiler......reference- traded with a 2nd rounder for a 7th rounder IIRC

Actually, it's only an albatross for Miami.

The Signing Bonus and Proration bonus stay with Miami because they paid that already.

The $39M guaranteed goes to the team that trades for him as does the $3M guaranteed for 2027. Beyond that, any team can cut Tua after 2026 and only have the $3M in guaranteed cash to worry about.

 

[Ring 6]

Take SOS and multiply by games lost to injury

Are you welching on your bet Sam?

 

[DaBruinz]

I think they’ll assume a lot of the hit like we did with Duggar.

It's very likely that the Option bonus stays with Miami as it is guaranteed money like the signing bonus. Even with part of it being paid out at the beginning of 2026.

 

[BobDigital]

SOS is actually a recorded stat on BSPN NFL standings.

Pats only team with SOS below .400

They'll probably put an asterisk on it if we go all the way

If you go all the way no one cares.

 

[SVN]

Any of those 3 are fine by me.

Or all of them.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Uptown]

Brady starting at QB for JETE

Brady Cook will start for the Jets in Week 17

The Patriots will be facing Brady Cook as they try to nail down an AFC East title in Week 17.

www.nbcsports.com

Wow we face Brady & James Cook next week. The GOAT & the nfl rushing leader. Hate to say it, but this one may be a loss guys..

 

[Huckleberry1]

The one thing they can't do is cut him.

If they cut Tua prior to the 3rd day of the league year, his cap hit jumps to $99.4M with them being on the hook for his $39M in guaranteed salary. They would STILL be on the hook for the option bonus in each 2027-2030.

If they cut Tua after the 3rd day, $3M of his 2027 salary becomes guaranteed as well.

According to OTC, Tua's cap hit if cut after June first would be a 67.4M hit. This is because Tua is receiving $15M in guaranteed option bonuses in 2026 in addition to his $39M in guaranteed Salary. So, his 2027 HIT would be the 43.8M remaining in Amortization PLUS the $3M in guaranteed salary for 46.8M.

Miami is 11.5M over next year's projected cap. They certainly can't afford to eat an additional $43M. Even eating the additional 11M will mean they have to make some big cuts. One of which is almost guaranteed to be Tyreek Hill. They'll also have to push a lot of money into following years...

We really should have a thread thanking Steve Ross and Chris Grier. Like Woidy Johnson they truly are a gift that keeps giving.

 

[Patsfan1645]

Wouldn’t it be something if that 4th quarter unlocked a whole new level of Drake ‘Drake Maye’ Maye. He was completely unstoppable. Same with Diggs, and Rhamondre looked at least somewhat like the 22 rham.

Just hope we can get some kind of burst in run d. Milton Williams is eligible to return i think.

I think its more about Josh and Vrabel getting to see how effective (effective in the sense of based off of the talent on the roster ((Josh knows the dink and dunk works)) they can be with the short game ( and Drake sees now as well) and making it more of an emphasis during the game.

Interesting that this approach in the 4th got him his first 300+ game.

 

[obgod3]

I dont think any team is trading for Tua, the concussion history and contract terms are a non-starter for any team. Miami likely has to cut him and eat the dollars, unless they plan to keep playing him. No matter what it’s a bad situation for Miami. A lot like the Atlanta situation, keep him and pay him and sit him, or release him and eat the dollars, wow what a terrible situation. of course they could also negotiate new terms with him, if he is willing.

 

[Ross12]

The one thing they can't do is cut him.

If they cut Tua prior to the 3rd day of the league year, his cap hit jumps to $99.4M with them being on the hook for his $39M in guaranteed salary. They would STILL be on the hook for the option bonus in each 2027-2030.

If they cut Tua after the 3rd day, $3M of his 2027 salary becomes guaranteed as well.

According to OTC, Tua's cap hit if cut after June first would be a 67.4M hit. This is because Tua is receiving $15M in guaranteed option bonuses in 2026 in addition to his $39M in guaranteed Salary. So, his 2027 HIT would be the 43.8M remaining in Amortization PLUS the $3M in guaranteed salary for 46.8M.

Miami is 11.5M over next year's projected cap. They certainly can't afford to eat an additional $43M. Even eating the additional 11M will mean they have to make some big cuts. One of which is almost guaranteed to be Tyreek Hill. They'll also have to push a lot of money into following years...

They can and will cut him.

Like I said, it will be a post-June 1st designation release. His dead money in 2026 would become around $67M and $32M in 2027, per Schefter.

They are about $11M over the cap for 2026 right now, but that already includes $56M for Tua's contract, so it is only another ~$10M. That puts them around $21M over the cap, but they have around $80M of cap space in 2027. Now, that'd drop to about $50M after cutting Tua as well, but they can move things around and shed some other contracts and become compliant. Simply cutting Tyreek Hill would pretty much clear all the money needed to absorb Tua's deal.

They can keep him, trade him, or cut him. They're clearly not keeping him based on the benching and team comments. No team will trade for this contract while also knowing they'll be able to get the player for zero picks and a veteran minimum contract once he is released (see the Russell Wilson/Denver situation for an analogue). So.... all that's left is a release.

 

[PatsFan2]

So are we Practicing Today with the holiday coming up??

 

[patchick]

No one becomes a Jets fan. They're born into it and have to fight their way free. And when they get free, all they can do is mourn the ones left behind and hope that someday they find their own way free.

My cousin's a lifelong Jersey Boy. He roots for the Giants, and raised his kids to be big Giants fans too. To hear him talk, you'd think Big Blue was his birthright--but I know better. I still remember when he was 13 and his bedroom walls were plastered in Jets paraphernalia.

IOW when they get free, they turn their backs and pretend they were never gang-greened to begin with.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I'd say it would be their SB and a trap for us, except for the tank factor. Wow. How many lottery tickets do these ****s need?

 

[Patjew]

So are we Practicing Today with the holiday coming up??

There's a holiday coming up?

 

[The Gr8est]

If we're wishing things into existence, can I wish Tua to the Jets to become a thing?

Why do you want someone to bail out the Dolphins?

Extreme stupidity must be punished.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

How did Jared Wilson end up in concussion protocol?

 

[mgteich]

They can and will cut him.

Like I said, it will be a post-June 1st designation release. His dead money in 2026 would become around $67M and $32M in 2027, per Schefter.

They are about $11M over the cap for 2026 right now, but that already includes $56M for Tua's contract, so it is only another ~$10M. That puts them around $21M over the cap, but they have around $80M of cap space in 2027. Now, that'd drop to about $50M after cutting Tua as well, but they can move things around and shed some other contracts and become compliant. Simply cutting Tyreek Hill would pretty much clear all the money needed to absorb Tua's deal.

They can keep him, trade him, or cut him. They're clearly not keeping him based on the benching and team comments. No team will trade for this contract while also knowing they'll be able to get the player for zero picks and a veteran minimum contract once he is released (see the Russell Wilson/Denver situation for an analogue). So.... all that's left is a release.

Trade Hill and this is all doable. Hill won't want to stay on a team that will take a couple of years to be competitive.