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14-3/13-4 would be a great season and one loss to Buffalo doesn’t change that

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This isn’t directed at most people here because I think most people are being reasonable. Let’s face it. How many people before the season started realistically thought we’d be 11-2 before the loss to Buffalo? I think even most optimistic fans or homers would have had us at 9-4/8-5 tops. The sky isn’t falling after one loss and even if we lose again this season the sky isn’t falling. A 13-4 season would put us way ahead of schedule. This team can win in the playoffs and you don’t win them all. Even during our win streak I didn’t think this team was going 15-2. Sometimes you lose games you should win and the other team wants to win too. There were plenty of games we lost during the Brady era that we could or should have won. This team can compete for a championship and if we don’t make it I don’t think it’s because we weren’t good enough. I think it was because we just weren’t experienced enough. Enjoy the ride.
 
This is far too logical and level-headed for this forum. Anything short of a Super Bowl in year one of a rebuild is total failure. Vrabel should be fired. Although I do think if Marcus Jones is given his interception, we beat Buffalo.
 
It has already been a successful season. But the real question is whether it can become a special season - that's much less clear. At minimum we will need (1) run defense to shore up, (2) Drake Maye to play like an MVP rather than a second year guy, (3) luck with bounce of the ball / refs for this to become a special season. E.g., we need first half of the Bills game. But this team is never that far away from the second half of that game either - which is the drama of the playoffs!

Looking into the next 2-3 seasons:
We absolutely need more depth and frankly star power in the defensive front. I'd take 2-3 more guys on the edge that can be 5-7 sack contributors in a rotation vs. a single 15+ sack contributor (probably easier to find / lighter on resource allocation too).

We need more physical interior OL and eventually replacement for RT Moses (who is old).

I think we need another weapon as well - doesn't have to be a WR1, but someone who can make several ++ plays per game. That could come from Kyle Williams developing, trading for a WR1 (AJ Brown? not sure worth headache given age), or finding a special TE/WR in draft. Given our draft position, finding a special TE seems more likely than WR. Special TE to me means someone who can either hit 20+ yard plays as a mismatch or who can take 5-10 yard plays and add 5-10 yards on top regularly, while still being a solid blocker in run game. You aren't going to find a Gronk or Kelce easily but can you find a Tucker Kraft?

We aren't that far away but adding depth to the roster overall (esp. on defense) will be paramount underlying those front-line needs.
 
Also to note: our schedule is likely going to be much tougher next year with NFC North (rather than South) and AFC West (rather than North). Who knows how next season will unfold but most of those teams look to have stable QB/roster situations, plus 3 games against first place rather than 4th place (if we hold onto the division!). We will need to improve the team quite a bit esp. with depth to manage that, as we aren't likely to be as lucky with injuries as have been this year. If Drake can continue his progression and reach superstar levels then that would make up for a lot but nothing is certain in the NFL...

One good point is that the Bills will essentially face the same schedule, with the difference currently being: we get Steelers / they get Ravens, we get Rams / they get Seahawks, we get Jaguars / they get Texans. Obviously that can still change, and I'd anticipate at least the Texans to overtake the Jaguars. But the point is that the second place teams in those divisions aren't much worse if at all (esp. Ravens/Steelers given QBs) than the first place teams, so the Bills really don't get much of if any advantage over us in the scheduling department.
 
This isn’t directed at most people here because I think most people are being reasonable. Let’s face it. How many people before the season started realistically thought we’d be 11-2 before the loss to Buffalo? I think even most optimistic fans or homers would have had us at 9-4/8-5 tops. The sky isn’t falling after one loss and even if we lose again this season the sky isn’t falling. A 13-4 season would put us way ahead of schedule. This team can win in the playoffs and you don’t win them all. Even during our win streak I didn’t think this team was going 15-2. Sometimes you lose games you should win and the other team wants to win too. There were plenty of games we lost during the Brady era that we could or should have won. This team can compete for a championship and if we don’t make it I don’t think it’s because we weren’t good enough. I think it was because we just weren’t experienced enough. Enjoy the ride.
Of course people flipping out after a loss following a 10 game winning streak and acting like one loss undoes all of that winning and signals sure doom are just people you need to not listen to about really anything.

I disagree though with the “ahead of schedule” concept.
There is no schedule. Improvement or decline is not linear. It happens in big jumps or drops way more often than gradually progression (or digression).
Every season is one shot. It doesn’t translate forward.

Now you could argue roster building is a process and happens gradually but that’s not really true either. We have had roughly 50% turnover 2 years in a row.
When the season ends every team will use every resource to improve. Draft, free agency, trade, coaching changes, etc.
Since 32 teams compete against each other in a vacuum it’s a zero sum game. About half get better and about half get worse.
The fact that we stunk 2 years ago has no impact on whether we get better or worse next year. The quality of our transactions, the gains and the losses, improvement and decline of the players who stay. Thats true for all 32 teams. We don’t get better because we are “moving in a direction”.

There are really only 2 “schedules”
1) Compete for a SB
2) Accept that you can’t and hope you have a good off season and can next year.

There is no incremental improvement plan because next year you are fighting 31 other teams for the resources to get better.

I think the confusion comes because the raw talent level across the league isn’t all that different, but the strengths and weaknesses and how a team fits together makes good teams overachieve and poor teams underachieve.
It’s easier to make change to improve an underachieving team. Plus mediocrity is improvement. And it’s easy to lose a piece that makes overachieving hard.
Regression to mean is not incremental improvement or decline.

Good teams stay good because they keep their best players. Bad teams stay bad because they can’t replace enough bad players with good ones.

But there really is nothing any more like the old pre free agency 5 year plan where you fix problems step by step in the draft. That was when roster turnover was minimal. Now you are literally a brand new team every year.

So I am thrilled with 11 wins so far and will be thrilled with 14-3. But this team has put itself in a position to reach the only goal every team has, winning it all.
While a 11-6 season and first round loss would be a lot more enjoyable that 4-13 was ultimately we would be one of the 31 not a champion.
From this point on any result that isn’t winning the SB is equally disappointing. Some would be more enjoyable but ultimately you are 1 or you are one of the 31
 
This year is relatively easiest year to win a ring.

No mahomes, burrow.

Potentially no Lamar and weakened afc with only bills with a real weak pass offense and rush defense .

No way we know when is the best season we get health and schedule all lined up as well as this year.

We should not let go of this opportunity and get our 7th unexpectedly like how giants won in 2007 or 2010. No teams are stacked all around

Texans, broncos , Rams and 49ers are probably in higher tier . But believe we should be able to beat them on our day.

Just need to clean up play calling and the mistakes .
 
They need to bounce back vs the Ravens. We need to see the passing game have more urgency and execute better.
 
It has already been a successful season. But the real question is whether it can become a special season - that's much less clear.

Going from seasons of 4-13 and 4-13 to 11 or more wins isn't special?
 
This too shall pass. The sports media drives the 'you're only as good as your last game' mentality of a lot of fans. Truth is they may well stumble against Baltimore without Williams up front as well but he'll be off IR after that and back for the playoffs. And we ARE going to have playoff football, how great is that after the last few seasons?
 
Going from seasons of 4-13 and 4-13 to 11 or more wins isn't special?
Not really. It's a good season but will you really remember it fondly in 10 years if it doesn't result in at least a deep playoff run? The standard here for special is a ring. Fair or not, that's the truth.
 
Not really. It's a good season but will you really remember it fondly in 10 years if it doesn't result in at least a deep playoff run? The standard here for special is a ring. Fair or not, that's the truth.
While I agree that we all want the team to win a ring, this season has been good. I find it baffling that some people are complaining after one loss after a ten game win streak. Were fans so we’re allowed to complain but there are fans who I’ll admit are probably a minority who are acting like we suck
 
This year is relatively easiest year to win a ring.

No mahomes, burrow.

Potentially no Lamar and weakened afc with only bills with a real weak pass offense and rush defense .

No way we know when is the best season we get health and schedule all lined up as well as this year.

We should not let go of this opportunity and get our 7th unexpectedly like how giants won in 2007 or 2010. No teams are stacked all around

Texans, broncos , Rams and 49ers are probably in higher tier . But believe we should be able to beat them on our day.

Just need to clean up play calling and the mistakes .
Agree. Except 49ers are doing it with smoke and mirrors. They have major weaknesses in the OL, LB and secondary but they’ve been able to overcome them with matching up their strengths.
They actually have an easier schedule than we do.

I said at the beginning of the season if we are a .500 team we will go 10-7 or 11-6 if we get lucky. We are going to end up 3-4 games better than that.
The niners toughest part of there schedule remains so they are going to be right about there. I think they will look like a .500 team that has a few more wins because of the schedule when all is said and done.

And I think we ultimately are an 11-12 win team that will win 13-14 because of our schedule.
 
While I agree that we all want the team to win a ring, this season has been good. I find it baffling that some people are complaining after one loss after a ten game win streak. Were fans so we’re allowed to complain but there are fans who I’ll admit are probably a minority who are acting like we suck
I'm certainly not complaining. I called this a successful season already, far better than anyone here could hope for. But I'm also just being realistic that "special" seasons end in a ring or at least a SB appearance for this franchise. We aren't decades removed from our last ring, it's only been 7 years (5 if you felt some vicarious joy from Tompa Brady's 7th). The only exception to that would be 2007 for obvious reasons but we aren't that this year.

Do you remember 2002, 2005-06, 2008-10, 2012-2013, 2015, or 2019-24 with any special pride & joy?
 
We still don’t know what the ceiling is for this team this year. That’s the exciting part of this season. They could be anything from a one-and-done wild card team to an SB team. The latter might depend on matchups, but hey, at least we’ll see them play meaningful January games.
 
I think the team has exceeded expections. Mine for sure. But its only natural that once that happens, expectations get raised. Regardless how it ends we all know its a successful season somewhat. At the same time we are allowed i think to vent frustrations at a particular game or play which we think they have done better. Otherwise there isnt much to talk about .
 
To me I'm just playing with house money, enjoying the ride.
My wife was far more upset for me about the Buffalo game, than I was myself.
The season has already far exceeded expectations.


2026 will be a true test.
This year the AFC East benefitted by happening to have the two weakest divisions on their schedule, the AFC North and NFC South. The Patriots were helped out even moreso with the 4th place schedule (yet still found a way to lose to the Raiders early on). The team will need to improve quite a bit just to match the 2025 win total.
 
Not really. It's a good season but will you really remember it fondly in 10 years if it doesn't result in at least a deep playoff run?

Yes I will remember 2025 fondly even if we don't make a deep playoff run, especially compared to how I felt at the end of the last two ****ing seasons.

The standard here for special is a ring. Fair or not, that's the truth.

No, that's your truth.
 
This isn’t directed at most people here because I think most people are being reasonable. Let’s face it. How many people before the season started realistically thought we’d be 11-2 before the loss to Buffalo? I think even most optimistic fans or homers would have had us at 9-4/8-5 tops. The sky isn’t falling after one loss and even if we lose again this season the sky isn’t falling. A 13-4 season would put us way ahead of schedule. This team can win in the playoffs and you don’t win them all. Even during our win streak I didn’t think this team was going 15-2. Sometimes you lose games you should win and the other team wants to win too. There were plenty of games we lost during the Brady era that we could or should have won. This team can compete for a championship and if we don’t make it I don’t think it’s because we weren’t good enough. I think it was because we just weren’t experienced enough. Enjoy the ride.

13-4 is a joke. They should be 14-2. If they showed up at all for the Raiders, they'd be 15-1. If they weren't so undisciplined vs Pittsburgh, they'd still be undefeated. They can't find their way to the endzone with a map. The only way this team get's to the Super Bowl is with a ticket. RoBeRT KrAFt iS a J0ke oF aN owNer. Hand job loving glory hound. And Mcdaniels doesn't know how to call plays to save his life. All they did is s3t this franchise back y3ars by eff'ng up the draft slot.


That's my best disgruntled fan I can come up with. Carry on.
 
I think the team has exceeded expections. Mine for sure. But its only natural that once that happens, expectations get raised.

It must be fun to live in your house. Kitchen cleaned? Great, now go clean the garage, mother****er!

At the same time we are allowed i think to vent frustrations at a particular game or play which we think they have done better.

True.

Otherwise there isnt much to talk about.

IMO, false. We only lost by 4 points. It wasn't as if the only thing we could be talking about is the stuff that could have been better.
 
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