This take aged well....

[TheRainMaker]

Ryan Pace wants to pull a Mayo and walk back what he said about Maye.

We could very well see Nix vs Maye in the AFCCG.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

and much credit needs to go to Mayo for having us 4-13 again and leaving us with great draft position and with HUGE cap capital available for at least two years.

The teams picking ahead of both drafts should also take some credit. In both situation, the team did not have the chance to pick the wrong player.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Teams without a QB cannot afford to pass on QBs like Maye.

Not every team thought what Maye was in 2024 would evolve into what he is now. To your point, some teams were sold on Trey Lance like SF. Some weren't and did not take him.

It may not work out, but it's hard to find a QB, teams like the Jets and Bills and Phins went 25 years without one, so you gotta take him.

No you don't if you think he will not work out. For example, if the Jets had any serious reservations for Zach Wilson they should have passed. Drafts are about managing risks and making the best decision on the players available.

A blown first round pick is not anywhere near as bad as passing on a future stud and then never finding a QB. That's misery. Anyone who did such a thing should be fired immediately.

Whats worse is blowing a high pick on a QB who either is a risk or will be surrounded by a **** team and organization. There are a ton of NFL teams that can't honestly admit that to themselves or don't know the difference. Patriots got lucky.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't think any pick is a pure no brainer so we'll disagree on that point.

Every team has priorities and needs and those are always debated and discussed internally. There was talk of the NEP trading down although I don't know how serious they were.

That's just Cult of Belichick talk, they want to pretend that Belichick would have picked him even though Belichick said he was the " 6th best pocket passer in the Draft." and dissed him on draft day.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's just Cult of Belichick talk, they want to pretend that Belichick would have picked him even though Belichick said he was the " 6th best pocket passer in the Draft." and dissed him on draft day.

Yea there was no way BB would have picked Maye.

 

[Jackson 2]

I think there are two things that could derail us going forward. #1 is the thing that can destroy any team, no matter how good: injuries to key players and #2 is something very specific to us: Josh McDaniels leaving.

Other than that I love where we're at going into next year, even with a more difficult schedule. We have draft capitol, we don't have any major difference makers as free agents in 2026, we have a lot of cap space. Things look promising!

There's actually a pretty simple solution to the MCDaniels leaving scenario: coach salaries are not subject t to any cap so Kraft can simply make him an offer he can't refuse.

 

[upstater1]

Not every team thought what Maye was in 2024 would evolve into what he is now. To your point, some teams were sold on Trey Lance like SF. Some weren't and did not take him.

No you don't if you think he will not work out. For example, if the Jets had any serious reservations for Zach Wilson they should have passed. Drafts are about managing risks and making the best decision on the players available.

Whats worse is blowing a high pick on a QB who either is a risk or will be surrounded by a **** team and organization. There are a ton of NFL teams that can't honestly admit that to themselves or don't know the difference. Patriots got lucky.

I took this same position before the draft. I wrote about it here. If you explain to your fanbase that you passed on Maye in order to take McCarthy and 2 or 3 other players, you deserve to be fired. Maye was not a slam dunk. There were plenty of questions about him. There were questions about the other two guys as well. Heck, some here perceive Belichick as slagging Maye when he was only critiquing his pocket presence. Otherwise, he actually said Maye makes amazing throws, can throw the ball at every level all over the field, and not only that, he's incredibly accurate, and that he has outstanding athletic ability. So... let's say you're Belichick and your favorite guy (Daniels) is off the board. You have questions about Maye because he has happy feet and he abandons the pocket at the first whiff of trouble. You recognize these are traits that may make him fail in the NFL.

Do you pass on him? Or do you say, this guy throws the ball like Aaron Rodgers, and he can really run, I'm an idiot if I make the same mistake 25 other GMs did when they passed on Rodgers.

IMO, any GM worth keeping would definitely take a chance on Maye.

I mentioned Lance because Lance did NOT have what Maye did. Lance was Jamarcus Russell.

 

[TommyD4207]

I think there are two things that could derail us going forward. #1 is the thing that can destroy any team, no matter how good: injuries to key players and #2 is something very specific to us: Josh McDaniels leaving.

Other than that I love where we're at going into next year, even with a more difficult schedule. We have draft capitol, we don't have any major difference makers as free agents in 2026, we have a lot of cap space. Things look promising!

Josh McDaniels isn't leaving.
Hope this helps.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I think there are two things that could derail us going forward. #1 is the thing that can destroy any team, no matter how good: injuries to key players and #2 is something very specific to us: Josh McDaniels leaving.

He's not going anywhere for a few reasons. First, Josh is grateful to be back in the league which pretty much had him black balled after what happened in LV. If it weren't for Vrabel, he'd still be at home watching like us.

2nd reason is that Josh, Vrabel and Maye can do this for a long time. Even if BB came calling if he somehow got the Giants job, Josh would decline due to his loyalty to Vrabel.

 

[MrTibbs]

To think the Bears GM laughed at Drake Mayes tape in ridicule.

 

[MrTibbs]

I think Maye will be the best of the 3. But he required more work and had less experience than the other 2. Personally I think Caleb Williams and Daniels will both be superstars in this league, both will be top 6 or 7 QBs, and I've said that since even before they were drafted. If the teams redrafted knowing everything we know now, Maye would go first, but at the end of the day, there was nothing wrong with the evaluation on draft day.

Daniels and Williams are going to be just behind Maye at the top of the league with only Josh Allen, Burrow and Mahomes in the same conversation.

The 6 of them will have cleared Herbert, Lamar, Jordan Love and Stroud.

I don't agree. I actually think Bo Nix might be the 2nd best QB out of that draft. Yes Williams and Daniels have the physical talent but it seems Nix has more to offer between the ears. Daniels can't sustain because of his slight frame and Williams simply has a hard time playing within structure.

 

[Vindicate]

He's not going anywhere for a few reasons. First, Josh is grateful to be back in the league which pretty much had him black balled after what happened in LV. If it weren't for Vrabel, he'd still be at home watching like us.

2nd reason is that Josh, Vrabel and Maye can do this for a long time. Even if BB came calling if he somehow got the Giants job, Josh would decline due to his loyalty to Vrabel.

I have to imagine that Josh is also in a place where he realizes: he ain't HC material and the stress of finding that out again is simply not worth the uproot and relocation.

 

[upstater1]

I don't agree. I actually think Bo Nix might be the 2nd best QB out of that draft. Yes Williams and Daniels have the physical talent but it seems Nix has more to offer between the ears. Daniels can't sustain because of his slight frame and Williams simply has a hard time playing within structure.

Williams is having a fine year. Both Nix and Williams are statistically very similar, and their teams are winning. Nix does have 4 more INTs, but my problem with Nix is some inaccuracy.

I don't think Nix is a headier QB than Daniels. Daniels makes much better reads and processes much faster than Nix. I think Nix has shown some problems when it comes to making the right reads.

As for Daniels and injuries, I'd say his leg injury was a freak play. Given the players we've seen at QB with slight frames, I don't know why we're projecting that he's going to be injured frequently. He also weighs 210 pounds (supposedly). It's on the light side, but plenty of QBs have weighed that much. He'll likely gain weight as the years go by as well.

 

[Water Boy]

I have to imagine that Josh is also in a place where he realizes: he ain't HC material and the stress of finding that out again is simply not worth the uproot and relocation.

What's the upside for him? You would have thought he learned from the Denver experience, but his time in LV was a worse disaster. He is despised in LV.

You would think it would be a better gig to be considered "the" or one of the best OCs in the league for what is poised to be a franchise that could be on another dynastic run.

How many rings does he currently have? I'd venture he could be in the running for most Super Bowl rings of any coordinator in history.

 

[Water Boy]

and much credit needs to go to Mayo for having us 4-13 again and leaving us with great draft position and with HUGE cap capital available for at least two years.

Amazing how things worked out. Thank God Vrabel didn't take an HC job last year.

And Mayo did us a solid by showing he was completely in over his head. If he had enough coaching/team/staff building acumen to get the team to 6 or 7 wins it would have been awkward to say the least to move on and snag Vrabes

Speaking of which, does anyone know what Mayo is up to these days?

Given how things turned out there's no reason fans should continue to harbor ill will, but has he ostracized himself from Pats Nation?

 

[TommyD4207]

Amazing how things worked out. Thank God Vrabel didn't take an HC job last year.

And Mayo did us a solid by showing he was completely in over his head. If he had enough coaching/team/staff building acumen to get the team to 6 or 7 wins it would have been awkward to say the least to move on and snag Vrabes

Speaking of which, does anyone know what Mayo is up to these days?

Given how things turned out there's no reason fans should continue to harbor ill will, but has he ostracized himself from Pats Nation?

I mean, the whole 'lawsuit' thing sort of did the ostracizing for him.

 

[ZoisKing]

What's the upside for him? You would have thought he learned from the Denver experience, but his time in LV was a worse disaster. He is despised in LV.

You would think it would be a better gig to be considered "the" or one of the best OCs in the league for what is poised to be a franchise that could be on another dynastic run.

How many rings does he currently have? I'd venture he could be in the running for most Super Bowl rings of any coordinator in history.

Just checked. Josh McD has 3 titles as a coordinator (6 overall fyi) which is 2nd to Steve Spagnuolo who has 4 as a D coordinator (Giants, Chiefs).

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The Vikings offered 3 first round picks plus pick swaps later, which a number of people here called " the haul," and wanted them to take, and the Giants offered 2 first round picks and a 3rd to move from 6 to 3. I was opposed to the Patriots taking any trade offers and wanted them to pick Maye. And I said in a post the other day that I wouldn't take any trade offer for Maye, period, I wouldn't take 10 first round picks for him.

Per reports, those late swaps had MIN getting draft capital back, so this should say "minus".

 

[The Gr8est]

Per reports, those late swaps had MIN getting draft capital back, so this should say "minus".

Minnesota could double their original offer and it wouldn’t be enough.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Per reports, those late swaps had MIN getting draft capital back, so this should say "minus".

Thats what pick swaps means.