Patriots Injury News Will Campbell Week 12 Injury [11/26 update: Placed on IR]

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Having the organization do this takes the decision to return back after week 3 or 4 out of his hands. I like the call and as always for any team, depth invariably is required. Saunter on and lets get a couple more wins while we are at it. A loss Monday night will ignite the BSPN barky dogs for a couple weeks...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I’m just glad it’s eligible to return. I thought he was done until next season.

That distinction only matters until the regular season begins. Starting with the second day of the season, teams use DTRs at the back end (i.e., when the player is ready to start playing), rather than when they go on IR.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Also I think Running from now is going to be behind Michael Onwenu and Morgan Moses. Let's not kid ourselves on that now very weak Left Side.

Agreed, but we use the up the gut stuff to set up our play action stuff. So we might see some annoying run stuffs knowing that they will eventually pay off.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

hoping they will go to knee braces. It helps and does not take efficiency out for OLs.

In this case it appeared that a brace would have prevented the injury, a direct hit to the side of the knee.

 

[Sect140]

They did put Will on IR.

Patriots Place T Will Campbell on Injured Reserve; Announce Additional Roster Moves

 

[Ring 6]

Also I think Running from now is going to be behind Michael Onwenu and Morgan Moses. Let's not kid ourselves on that now very weak Left Side.

You can’t only run to one side. You need balance.

 

[DaBruinz]

Miles Battle has been signed to the 53 man roster.

 

[PatsFan2]

You can’t only run to one side. You need balance.

Well a toss - pitch or jet sweep on that side: let's not get too cute on the left side. Or long yardage situations here we come: advantage Defense.

 

[rads2005]

Like mayo, I'm also a physician (am open to an ortho correcting me). To my knowledge, you're overestimating the sensitivity of these tests. For instance, Lachman can miss 20% of ACL tears, and it's likely somewhat higher in the hyperacute setting, particularly in a highly muscled world class athlete. So although you agreed the extent and magnitude of an injury is determined by MR, the type is as well. It's possible the MR reveals ACL, MCL, and meniscal injuries that physical exam either misses or is equivocal for.

The other variable is that for operator dependent tests like these, these types of studies are often performed in ideal settings with experienced, highly competent, highly trained clinicians, so in the "real world," I'm not sure the sensitivity is even that high for Lachman. Even though it's a rich sport and rich team, you just don't know. In my specialty, I know of good-but-not-great practices covering major sports teams.

"There is simply no reliable way of predicting the type, extent and magnitude of injury without an MRI" is a true statement, (well I suppose you can argue over what "reliable" means). And MRI itself is often operator and machine dependent, although less so for MSK.

How can you possibly call yourself a doctor and post this crap? I seriously doubt you are. Its just a shtick for the forum. There are many tests that are done without an MRI. I am lucky enough that have coached football for a while and be on the sideline. Unfortunately, I have see our trainer use the Lachman test to determine if the ACL is torn. They can also use the Anterior Drawer test and the Pivot Shift test. I guarantee you at least one of these tests was done on Campbell on the field. They knew if he tore his ACL by the time he hit the sideline.

To determine a MCL sprain, the trainer uses the valgus stress test and the apprehension sign. Pressure is applied to the outside of the knee to see if the inside of the joint opens up (valgus laxity). The test is performed with the knee slightly flexed and fully extended to assess the ligament and the joint. While the test is being applied they look for a specific muscle reflex sign that indicates an MCL injury.

The extent and magnitude of the injury is determined by an MRI, but the Pats already know if its an ACL, MCL, or both. It just amazes me how a lowly sideline coach and trainer know these things, but someone bragging to be in medicine for 30 years doesn't. And we wonder what is wrong with the healthcare system? The Pats doctors/trainers are not speculating. They actually know. The MRI will tell them the extent. So when Vrabel said this morning on WEEI, "I wouldn’t imagine that Will’s going play in the game. I don’t think that will be something that will happen. That injury is going to probably be more than a week or two.” He was not speculating. If the ACL was torn, we would know already. Vrabel is indicating a sprain, and the extent will be clarified by later today for the team.

You show your idiocy with the arm comment. Go back to the J-E-T-S forum.

 

[Pape]

Like mayo, I'm also a physician (am open to an ortho correcting me). To my knowledge, you're overestimating the sensitivity of these tests. For instance, Lachman can miss 20% of ACL tears, and it's likely somewhat higher in the hyperacute setting, particularly in a highly muscled world class athlete. So although you agreed the extent and magnitude of an injury is determined by MR, the type is as well. It's possible the MR reveals ACL, MCL, and meniscal injuries that physical exam either misses or is equivocal for.

The other variable is that for operator dependent tests like these, these types of studies are often performed in ideal settings with experienced, highly competent, highly trained clinicians, so in the "real world," I'm not sure the sensitivity is even that high for Lachman. Even though it's a rich sport and rich team, you just don't know. In my specialty, I know of good-but-not-great practices covering major sports teams.

"There is simply no reliable way of predicting the type, extent and magnitude of injury without an MRI" is a true statement, (well I suppose you can argue over what "reliable" means). And MRI itself is often operator and machine dependent, although less so for MSK.

Good insight ... very rad of you to post/back up what Mayo said

 

[Ring 6]

Well a toss - pitch or jet sweep on that side: let's not get too cute on the left side. Or long yardage situations here we come: advantage Defense.

Running wide has a better chance of losing yards

 

[Pape]

sucks that he winds up getting hurt... would be a hard sell because of his position, but you could argue Campbell was in the running for offensive rookie of the year... no skill position player has really stood out so far except maybe Egbuka, who now has to be the odds on favorite?

 

[NFL Mystique]

You don't always see/appreciate the work a guy on the OL does. Until...he is not in there of course.

Patriots might need to reconsider long developing passing plays with Lowe in there. Maybe a run first game Monday. Week 15 will likely need to be a passing game.

 

[reflexblue]

...and i can attest to that since I have had 15 angioplastys (8heart 7legs) since 1999

You are the Zen master of angioplasty

 

[Ring 6]

No need to rush Jared Wilson back either...hopefully we get that #1 Seed.

We may need him to get the number 1 seed.

 

[jmt57]

So basically what we have is:

Starting LT: Vederian Lowe replaces Will Campbell
Backup OT: Caeden Wallace replaces Vederian Lowe
GameDay Inactive: Thayer Munford replaces Caeden Wallace

Starting LG: Ben Brown temporarily replaces Jared Wilson
Backup LG: Andrew Rupcich/Bill Murray may be a game-day elevation

Backup CB: Charles Woods replaces Alex Austin
Depth CB/ST: Miles Battle replaces Charles Woods

 

[Bill Lee]

If he had that extra 1/3 of an inch this would have never happened

That's what she said!

 

[reflexblue]

That's what she said!

Sorry but Your late with that one, its already been posted.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Get well soon! Hopefully the short arms make it less stress on the knee

 

[DaBruinz]

So basically what we have is:

Starting LT: Vederian Lowe replaces Will Campbell
Backup OT: Caeden Wallace replaces Vederian Lowe
GameDay Inactive: Thayer Munford replaces Caeden Wallace

Starting LG: Ben Brown temporarily replaces Jared Wilson
Backup LG: Andrew Rupcich/Bill Murray may be a game-day elevation

Backup CB: Charles Woods replaces Alex Austin
Depth CB/ST: Miles Battle replaces Charles Woods

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that Rupcich will get the call over Brenden Jaimes for the Back-up center/guard role?