Patriots Injury News Will Campbell Week 12 Injury [11/26 update: Placed on IR]

[TommyD4207]

Honestly, they can beat Buffalo without them.
Baltimore will be a slightly bigger challenge, but I think they can beat them too without them. Taller task.

 

[TommyD4207]

Totally unrealistic. Hopefully he’s ready for the start of the playoffs.

Can't rule it out until the MRIs.

The will both miss this week. That much we do know.

 

[Real fan 02]

Don't remind me.

 

[DaBruinz]

OK. Now we need some good news on Tonga.

Tonga had snaps after he got hurt.


Brendan Schooler is someone we need an update on.

 

[OldEngland]

Might be a good idea to have our OL wear knee braces as they often did under BB.

If Campbell wore a knee brace are we even having this discussion?

Its a great question. There are lots of photos of Campbell wearing knee braces at LSU, but I'm not sure if he did in the nfl or not.

There is an article interviewing some Giants Oline, the gist was it's mandatory for the OLine to wear braces on many college teams, but in the nfl it was up to the players discretion. And those Giant Oline said the trade off with loss of speed and agility was too great and they stopped wearing them.

Big Blue View mailbag, part u2: What’s the deal with knee braces and offensive linemen?

The study below from 2023 is pretty interesting. It suggests in the NFL wearing a braces as a OLine does reduce injury at a statistically significant level. But brace use amongst OLine in the NFL has declined from 16% in 2014 to 6% in 2020. They also attempt to analyse performance using PFF grades and saw no significant difference in both pass and run blocking grade between the group of players wearing a brace or and those who do not, although using PFF has flaws. There's also a line in the paper saying the CBA prevents league wide mandatory brace use, but individual teams can if they want.

Prophylactic Knee Bracing in Offensive Linemen of the National Football League: A Retrospective Analysis of Usage Trends, Player Performance, and Major Knee Injury - PMC

Offensive linemen in American football are prone to high-energy valgus forces to the knee, leading to associated injuries. Some offensive linemen in the National Football League (NFL) wear prophylactic knee braces (PKB) to prevent ligamentous ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sounds like its up to players discretion if they wear them. It is possible we are less likely to be having this conversation about Campbell's injury, but more likely to see Maye getting hit or pressured.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This is where other guys like Lowe need to step up for a few games when awful players during the 1st dynasty had to like Brandon Gorin, Kenyatta Jones, Grey Ruegamer, Grant Williams, Tom Ashworth and Russ Hochstein did. Time for Skippy to game plan the attention away from these guys like Weiss did.

 

[PatsFan2]

Honestly, they can beat Buffalo without them.
Baltimore will be a slightly bigger challenge, but I think they can beat them too without them. Taller task.

Maye will need a much Cleaner game than yesterday; not one of his better efforts.

 

[reflexblue]

Uh huh. Twelve-year-old doctors are rare. Congrats on being such a prodigy.

Ahh, he IS a DR

 

[Real fan 02]

You guys are bringing the 80s sitcoms strong today.

The cards the NFL schedule makers dealt with a week 14 bye was brutal.. for them to be sitting where they are and 6-0 on the road is remarkable.

They are now affected by injuries Just like any other team they've faced. Someone pointed out how ravaged SF is with injuries.

 

[imahobgoblin]

No one's opinion is worth jack ****. There is simply no reliable way of predicting the type, extent and magnitude of injury without an MRI, and anyone who pretends otherwise is full of it.

Speculate all you want. But that's all it is. Speculation.

Fortunately Campbell's arms are too short to present much of a target, and were not apparently injured.

How can you possibly call yourself a doctor and post this crap? I seriously doubt you are. Its just a shtick for the forum. There are many tests that are done without an MRI. I am lucky enough that have coached football for a while and be on the sideline. Unfortunately, I have see our trainer use the Lachman test to determine if the ACL is torn. They can also use the Anterior Drawer test and the Pivot Shift test. I guarantee you at least one of these tests was done on Campbell on the field. They knew if he tore his ACL by the time he hit the sideline.

To determine a MCL sprain, the trainer uses the valgus stress test and the apprehension sign. Pressure is applied to the outside of the knee to see if the inside of the joint opens up (valgus laxity). The test is performed with the knee slightly flexed and fully extended to assess the ligament and the joint. While the test is being applied they look for a specific muscle reflex sign that indicates an MCL injury.

The extent and magnitude of the injury is determined by an MRI, but the Pats already know if its an ACL, MCL, or both. It just amazes me how a lowly sideline coach and trainer know these things, but someone bragging to be in medicine for 30 years doesn't. And we wonder what is wrong with the healthcare system? The Pats doctors/trainers are not speculating. They actually know. The MRI will tell them the extent. So when Vrabel said this morning on WEEI, "I wouldn’t imagine that Will’s going play in the game. I don’t think that will be something that will happen. That injury is going to probably be more than a week or two.” He was not speculating. If the ACL was torn, we would know already. Vrabel is indicating a sprain, and the extent will be clarified by later today for the team.

You show your idiocy with the arm comment. Go back to the J-E-T-S forum.

 

[Clonamery]

How can you possibly call yourself a doctor and post this crap? I seriously doubt you are. Its just a shtick for the forum. There are many tests that are done without an MRI. I am lucky enough that have coached football for a while and be on the sideline. Unfortunately, I have see our trainer use the Lachman test to determine if the ACL is torn. They can also use the Anterior Drawer test and the Pivot Shift test. I guarantee you at least one of these tests was done on Campbell on the field. They knew if he tore his ACL by the time he hit the sideline.

To determine a MCL sprain, the trainer uses the valgus stress test and the apprehension sign. Pressure is applied to the outside of the knee to see if the inside of the joint opens up (valgus laxity). The test is performed with the knee slightly flexed and fully extended to assess the ligament and the joint. While the test is being applied they look for a specific muscle reflex sign that indicates an MCL injury.

The extent and magnitude of the injury is determined by an MRI, but the Pats already know if its an ACL, MCL, or both. It just amazes me how a lowly sideline coach and trainer know these things, but someone bragging to be in medicine for 30 years doesn't. And we wonder what is wrong with the healthcare system? The Pats doctors/trainers are not speculating. They actually know. The MRI will tell them the extent. So when Vrabel said this morning on WEEI, "I wouldn’t imagine that Will’s going play in the game. I don’t think that will be something that will happen. That injury is going to probably be more than a week or two.” He was not speculating. If the ACL was torn, we would know already. Vrabel is indicating a sprain, and the extent will be clarified by later today for the team.

You show your idiocy with the arm comment. Go back to the J-E-T-S forum.

He's joking. Take a deep breath.

 

[TommyD4207]

How can you possibly call yourself a doctor and post this crap? I seriously doubt you are. Its just a shtick for the forum. There are many tests that are done without an MRI. I am lucky enough that have coached football for a while and be on the sideline. Unfortunately, I have see our trainer use the Lachman test to determine if the ACL is torn. They can also use the Anterior Drawer test and the Pivot Shift test. I guarantee you at least one of these tests was done on Campbell on the field. They knew if he tore his ACL by the time he hit the sideline.

To determine a MCL sprain, the trainer uses the valgus stress test and the apprehension sign. Pressure is applied to the outside of the knee to see if the inside of the joint opens up (valgus laxity). The test is performed with the knee slightly flexed and fully extended to assess the ligament and the joint. While the test is being applied they look for a specific muscle reflex sign that indicates an MCL injury.

The extent and magnitude of the injury is determined by an MRI, but the Pats already know if its an ACL, MCL, or both. It just amazes me how a lowly sideline coach and trainer know these things, but someone bragging to be in medicine for 30 years doesn't. And we wonder what is wrong with the healthcare system? The Pats doctors/trainers are not speculating. They actually know. The MRI will tell them the extent. So when Vrabel said this morning on WEEI, "I wouldn’t imagine that Will’s going play in the game. I don’t think that will be something that will happen. That injury is going to probably be more than a week or two.” He was not speculating. If the ACL was torn, we would know already. Vrabel is indicating a sprain, and the extent will be clarified by later today for the team.

You show your idiocy with the arm comment. Go back to the J-E-T-S forum.

My sincerest hope is that you'll learn how to determine sarcasm and humor from text on a screen at some point.
I think you're a good poster, and your heart is in the right place.

 

[n1997y]

You guys are bringing the 80s sitcoms strong today.

Actually Garo Yepremian was late 1960s. I mayve misremembered the quote, or the Wikipedia article may have distorted it:

During one of his early games with the Lions, they were losing but scored a touchdown in the last 10 seconds of the game. Yepremian was sent in to kick the extra point, and he was so excited after converting the point that he went running off the field with his arms raised in celebration. Teammate Alex Karras asked Yepremian, "What the hell are you celebrating?" Yepremian replied with a phrase made famous on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson: "I keek (kick) a touchdown". Yepremian later stated that he never actually said the line, but was made up by Karras.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Might be a good idea to have our OL wear knee braces as they often did under BB.

If Campbell wore a knee brace are we even having this discussion?

How could anyone possibly know the answer to that? Do knee braces come with some warrantee stating you get your money back if you sprain something?

 

[AQPE]

Marcus Bryant is no slouch. And I can say he can be a threat to Campbell long term when given a chance.

You can say that based on what? Genuinely curious

 

[Clonamery]

You can say that based on what? Genuinely curious

Because the 1st Amendment applies (for now). No curiosity.

 

[KCSVEN]

Tonga had snaps after he got hurt.


Brendan Schooler is someone we need an update on.

Tonga played 2 on special teams and 3 on defense. Looks like he took a shot to the ribs/chest from the guard as he was engaged with the center. The fact he played 6 snaps likely means short term, but Williams played a snap after being hurt and wanted back in the game and then went on IR so you never know.
At WORST case I would expect him back after the bye but hopefully he can play Monday Night.

 

[n1997y]

Now put both Campbell and wilson on IR and let's hope we get 1 or 2 wins over next 4 games. Jets game can be a comeback game if need be or use that as additional rest.

Considering how things have planned out so far , I expect our backup linemen to play solid and get us 4 wins on a trot before the cavalry joins them back for post season eager and with fresh legs.

I would also rest landry for an additional week after bye week against bills to give him some time to recover.

Good opportunity for us to test bench strength and adversity in regular season without compromising on playoff eligibility.

First seed seems tough . But if we manage to get 1st seed after these adversities, gives me lots of hope on how we can advance in post season.

Good time to test out the delta between Ben Brown and Jared Wilson.

No need to put Wilson on IR if it’s relatively minor, as that tweet suggests.

On IR he would miss all but the very last game, against MIA.

From the sounds of it he might even be able to back against the Ravens if all goes well. Maybe even Buffalo if we’re lucky, but I’m not sure I’d risk that even if it’s minor and he heals quickly.

I’ll trust the team staff to make the right decisions about sitting him. Unless they’re desperate for the roster slot all IRvwould do is tie their hands. With the PS I don’t think the roster slot is that compelling a need.

 

[imahobgoblin]

My sincerest hope is that you'll learn how to determine sarcasm and humor from text on a screen at some point.
I think you're a good poster, and your heart is in the right place.

The idiots got me going. I am just so sick of them and passionate about my team. There are about 4-5 posters who ruin the forum for me and it sometimes spills over.

 

[Vindicate]

Has there actually been any confirmation of this with Will Campbell? The only quote I saw from Vrabel was "He won't be playing next Monday... But this isn't a career-ending injury"