NFL Trade Deadline Discourse

[imahobgoblin]

Now you’ve got me thinking I might start responding to all your posts with “oh, fudge” just to see if I can trigger your self preservation reaction…

The funny thing is that I don't get triggered. My posts have two approaches. First is highly analytical/logical. I love doing cap numbers and trade values. Second is all comical. Some may think my calling out of the Clown Show Posse is triggered and angry, but if you saw me typing I just crack myself up and find it very entertaining. Its just my sense of humor. I am a hard nose football mother and coach who cuts no slack with my kids, and we have a ton of fun. I am not coaching this fall due to health issues, but I might this winter with some indoor flag leagues.

 

[dliverey44]

We need help at edge.

Not getting to the QB enough

Chaisson and Landry are good enough, but after that we don't have anyone on the edges that are producing. I have hopes that Ponder, Murphy, and Swinson can get there but right now we are lacking and Landry and Chaisson are wearing down as the game goes on.

 

[Real fan 02]

dafuq? The minority stakes are a nothing burger as far as team operations go. Dean Metropoulos purchased a 5% stake in the Pats and Sixth Street Partners acquired a 3% stake. That's a total of 8%, considerably less than it would take to exert any influence lol. Like some other owners, Krafty Bob took out some cash because the league said they could. At that he didn't sell the 10% the league has authorized.

Thank you for that insightful poat there my guy.. was just a thought.. so basically this new alleged ownership group really has no bearing?

 

[VJCPatriot]

BTW I'm hearing the Chiefs tried to get Breece Hall but would only offer a 4th. Jets held out for a 3rd so the deal didn't get done. I'm so glad the Chiefs didn't improve at the deadline as Hall would have been a big upgrade for them!

This is Mahomes after hearing Breece Hall isn't coming to KC.

 

[dliverey44]

I'm looking for a DE and an OG.
I said that Wilson isn't the answer at LG in the GDT. Over the last 3 weeks, he's allowed 4 sacks, 1 QB hit and 3 hurries in 113 Passing snaps. That's 1 pressure every 14 snaps. On the year, he's giving up 1 pressure every 15 snaps. We were complaining last year about tackles giving up pressures on ever 15 snaps in Lowe. Same holds for Wilson at guard.


NOTE: For reference purposes, Michael Jordan, who people couldn't run out of town fast enough last year and whom people were cheering when the team cut him, gave up 1 pressure every 19 passing snaps.

I don't think we can look at sack and pressure stats as purely a OL issue. Several pressures and sacks are on Maye and several are on the OL. I am trying to find stats on pressure times from snap. I am not saying the OL can't be improved because it can but sack and pressure numbers can be misleading.

I have mentioned that Maye seems somewhat uncomfortable with the quick passing game and I think that leads to him holding the ball longer and quick scrambles. Kurt Warner and JT O'Sullivan have pointed it out that he does not take some easy throws. He is already performing very well and when he improves in the quick passing game he will soar even higher than he already has.

I see people saying that Maye had a bad game against the Falcons and I don't think it was bad at all. It wasn't as good as he had been but it wasn't bad.

 

[Triumph]

He can't even coach UNC. What's he going to do with the Jets?

He's going to piss away their draft picks. He's not known as BB the great drafter so I'm not even scared of that.

Bill will get exposed if he returns to the NFL. We all acknowledge that he's a great defensive mind but where is his Josh Mcdaniels and Tom Brady on the offensive side? He won't have them with the Jets.

Josh is coaching for us now. Maye plays for us now. It wouldn't be revenge for BB if he came back for the Jets. He would just end up embarrassing himself. He needs to stay retired at this point. The only place where he might have a chance to succeed is with a ready made team that is already stocked with good veteran talent. The Jets are not that team, they are NFL purgatory.

BB is not a NCAA HC and to expect him to transform UNC into a blue chip program in 1 season is ludicrous.

BB cant draft? Too funny. Gonzo, Wilfork, Mayo, Pop Douglas, Marcus Jones, Barmore, Stevenson, Thuney, Owenu,

All those 1st round picks probably wouldn't get a QB would they?

Woody Johnson has to do something because hiring these no name GMs and HCs isnt working.

 

[rochrist]

No, he would have been meh here. Because he was meh when he was here before, meh in Las Vegas.

Yes, coming off a 1000 yard season is pretty meh. With Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Minshew as his QBs. Oh, and in only 15 games. When was our last 1000 yard receiver again?

 

[maust]

Thank you for that insightful poat there my guy.. was just a thought.. so basically this new alleged ownership group really has no bearing?

Unless you're Krafty Bob, then it had @ $700M worth of 'bearing' and you add it up a hundred mil here and a hundred mil there and before you know it you're talkin' some real money.

 

[Ring 6]

Chaisson and Landry are good enough, but after that we don't have anyone on the edges that are producing. I have hopes that Ponder, Murphy, and Swinson can get there but right now we are lacking and Landry and Chaisson are wearing down as the game goes on.

I’ve seen Barmore and Willams outside on occasion.
Jennings is a good football player, and although haven’t a standout pass rusher, he plays greater D and isn’t a liability.
Tavai can also play some reps on the edge.
Depth doesn’t worry me, injury does.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, coming off a 1000 yard season is pretty meh. With Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Minshew as his QBs. Oh, and in only 15 games. When was our last 1000 yard receiver again?

I think the “with so and so as qb” isn’t that strong of an argument. Almost every team puts up passing yards. The Raiders had 3800 last year. Almost every team gets quantity so 1,000 isn’t really harder with a weaker qb because usually you are playing from behind and they tend to lock in to one guy anyway.
Meyers would have had fewer yards playing with a good qb with other weapons

 

[mgteich]

Chaisson and Landry are good enough, but after that we don't have anyone on the edges that are producing. I have hopes that Ponder, Murphy, and Swinson can get there but right now we are lacking and Landry and Chaisson are wearing down as the game goes on.

Both Jennings and Tavai are much more valuable as EDGE backups than Ponder, Murphy and Swinson. Both are actually getting reps in that role.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

BTW I'm hearing the Chiefs tried to get Breece Hall but would only offer a 4th. Jets held out for a 3rd so the deal didn't get done. I'm so glad the Chiefs didn't improve at the deadline as Hall would have been a big upgrade for them!

This is Mahomes after hearing Breece Hall isn't coming to KC.

Honestly? Chiefs should have made that deal.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The sense I get is that the general feeling on the board is that Cowden walks on water while Wolf needs to walk the plank for past sins.

Just curious what people think about the dynamic when it comes to their roles in the trade process.

I think Vrabel has final say on everything so he gets both the credit and the blame for the decisions. Other than that I think that they are all on the same page and trying to get done what Vrabel wants done.

 

[Thelonious]

I wanted them to be very cautious about giving up draft picks, because they are a team early in a ground-up rebuild, and I just don't buy the idea that there is any real prospect of their advancing much in the playoffs, if they get there at all, which would justify reaching too far for the brass ring. That said, it is a little baffling that a team with as little depth as this, after having traded depth away at safety and D-line, couldn't find some sort of serviceable help. After all, looking beyond this year, any team, and certainly a team rebuilding from as low a point as this one, needs to pick up JAG/adequate guys at some point. Every team needs those guys. So I'm not pissed, but their efforts in the trade session do look a little weak to me.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I believe it's just a matter of the Patriots lacking talent at safety. So Vrabel tried to make Dugger work, but he just wasn't cutting it. It's best to admit the player doesn't fit and move on. That's exactly what Vrabel did.

The Patriots should have never given Dugger the big extension in the first place. It speaks volumes when a team believes signing someone off another team's practice squad is an upgrade over a player they traded away for peanuts.

Dugger's extension was following a great 2023 season and before his injury in the 2024 season. Your hindsight seems to be 20/20 as you ignore the circumstances.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Unless you're Krafty Bob, then it had @ $700M worth of 'bearing' and you add it up a hundred mil here and a hundred mil there and before you know it you're talkin' some real money.

It is $700M before captial gain taxes, and before inheritance taxes.

 

[maust]

It is $700M before captial gain taxes, and before inheritance taxes.

All manner of devices to avoid or defer that and we can rest assured they've been looked into by Top Men

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

All manner of devices to avoid or defer that and we can rest assured they've been looked into by Top Men

Top men can't stop the need to pay inheritance tax. Two things are certain in life according to Ben Franklin. These days death and taxes have been combined . Everyone needs cash to pay large tax bills. I think the top men already planned this out, found an investor, and the cash is in the bank. Prudent when the owner is 84. Top men will always advise that it is better to look for an investor a few years early when you can wait for the best deal possible.

 

[maust]

Top men can't stop the need to pay inheritance tax. Two things are certain in life according to Ben Franklin. These days death and taxes have been combined . Everyone needs cash to pay large tax bills. I think the top men already planned this out, found an investor, and the cash is in the bank. Prudent when the owner is 84. Top men will always advise that it is better to look for an investor a few years early when you can wait for the best deal possible.

The succession plan was accounted for well before the league authorized private equity buying minority interests in teams. The nuances of which I have no doubt are well beyond the comprehension of mere mortals. I don't pretend to understand that level of estate planning but I'm sure as always there are plenty of 'experts' here. No matter the subject... there always is

 

[Grogan14]

The message sent to the team is clear.

Vrabel is saying "We do not think the team is good enough yet to justify spending draft capital, because we are not a top tier team".
I believe the team will understand and agree and maybe rally around the underdog aspect.

The 7-2 record is a complete mirage gifted by an incredibly weak schedule.
Finishing with 10, 11 or 12 wins and then getting blown out in the first round of the playoffs (like Mac Jones rookie season) is not going to help them.
They may be picking in the 22-26 range which will limit their ability to bring in top tier blue chip rookie talent.
Yes, its fun to see them win this year but it may be the opposite of a "blessing in disguise" and slow down the talent rebuilding process.