Will Campbell Watch

[Huckleberry1]

Interesting to note that of the 4 LT's rated higher than Campbell on this chart, 2 are fellow 2025 draftees, Banks and Simmons. IIRC I think the main reason most people had negative thoughts about picking Campbell was NOT about his ability, but that they had reservations about picking him so high at #4, so there was a significant group who wanted to trade down and take Simmonds, or Banks later.

So while there are a lot of Campbell supporters who want to pound their chests to say what good pick he is, this particular chart seems to confirm that those people who wanted to trade down for Banks or Simmons may have been on the right track too. As much as we would all like for these guys to suck, they don't seem to. In fact in this case they are even better than Campbell.

Ken, are you high? None of those guys are playing better than Campbell, and Campbell's detractors were wrong, period. He's a franchise left tackle and well worth the pick.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Really it comes down to the player as a whole. You can break down a guy and say well, his hands are too small, arms too short, feet are this, legs are that. How does the player play as a whole? You'd think we'd learned all this 25 years ago. Brady's measurables were horrible, but he figured out a way. Guys definitely get wrapped up in their position, many many dudes were kicking this kid inside before he took a snap IN PRACTICE. It looks like the kid's a keeper, and that's good. He's just going to get better.

The lesson on all of it really is that we shouldn't rush to judgement before players, you know, play.

One of my favorite stories from coaching is we had a kid that was undersized as a senior. Not super athletic, but worked hard, loved football. Before the season started, coaches on our staff said they didn't know how the kid was going to get on the field. He slowly worked his way into the line up. Starting center... LB... on all special teams... We got a big lead in a game late and I went to take the kid out of kickoff because he looked gassed. He refused.

"Coach, I've been out here on every snap. When am I gonna do that again?"

I left him in. The point is that we always rush to judge a player before they play. We all need to wait and see how it all plays out.

Exactly.

 

[patfanken]

Ken, are you high? None of those guys are playing better than Campbell, and Campbell's detractors were wrong, period. He's a franchise left tackle and well worth the pick.

Geeess, so sensitive. Not saying ANYTHING negative about Will. Just noting that the same stat sheet that lauds Campbell's play so far, ALSO has 2 other first round OT's slightly higher in their rankings. Just right there to see. Personally, I don't understand the metrics of half these creative stats they throw at us.

Again, the same stats that are being used to laud Will and disprove his detractors, show that Banks and Simmons are doing just as well if not slightly better. Maybe there are other stats that show Campbell is doing better than those 2 guys. I don't know.

Maybe this gives credence to those who wanted to trade down to say 10-15 and take Banks or into the 20's and take Simmons and pick up a future #1 or a couple of 2nd day picks.

Given how the draft ACTUALLY played out, it's hard to think it might have been better than the almost perfect score he see here now. But we are fans, and we ALWAYS think it would have been better if only WE were in charge (or in the case of some, "if I were in charge".)

 

[TommyD4207]

Maybe this gives credence to those who wanted to trade down to say 10-15 and take Banks or into the 20's and take Simmons and pick up a future #1 or a couple of 2nd day picks.

In a perfect world, sure, trade down and get Banks, I would have been more than happy with that.

But there were no trade partners a) and b) Campbell was the best prospect of all the LTs.

 

[patfanken]

In a perfect world, sure, trade down and get Banks, I would have been more than happy with that.

But there were no trade partners a) and b) Campbell was the best prospect of all the LTs.

OH, I agree. Any trade down came with the real risk of not getting either Simmons or Bank and thus not getting your "sure fire" LT of the next decade. The end result surely looks like we accomplished exactly that. Not just OUR LT of the next decade, but one of the league's top LT's as well.

Based on the stats he's up there among the top 10 now, and given the room he has to improve his craft and get bigger and stronger over time it isn't outlandish to think that Campbell will to be spoken in the same breath as the Alts and Pennings of the league and one of our BEST draft picks of this decade.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Geeess, so sensitive. Not saying ANYTHING negative about Will. Just noting that the same stat sheet that lauds Campbell's play so far, ALSO has 2 other first round OT's slightly higher in their rankings. Just right there to see. Personally, I don't understand the metrics of half these creative stats they throw at us.

Again, the same stats that are being used to laud Will and disprove his detractors, show that Banks and Simmons are doing just as well if not slightly better. Maybe there are other stats that show Campbell is doing better than those 2 guys. I don't know.

Maybe this gives credence to those who wanted to trade down to say 10-15 and take Banks or into the 20's and take Simmons and pick up a future #1 or a couple of 2nd day picks.

Given how the draft ACTUALLY played out, it's hard to think it might have been better than the almost perfect score he see here now. But we are fans, and we ALWAYS think it would have been better if only WE were in charge (or in the case of some, "if I were in charge".)

Not sensitive at all, I just disagree with your entire premise. I haven't seen anything to indicate that any of the ther rookie left tackles are playing better than Campbell is, and you didn't bring anything to back up your case that they are. And when you see a franchise caliber player available you take them, you don't **** around playing games and trading down in the hopes you will still get a guy you want, you take them. In the case of both Maye and Campbell there were considerable groups of people here who wanted them to **** around and trade down, and in both cases the Patriots did the right thing, took the players they wanted, and their play has proven them right.

 

[Dec54]

 

[n1997y]

Based on the stats he's up there among the top 10 now, and given the room he has to improve his craft and get bigger and stronger over time it isn't outlandish to think that Campbell will to be spoken in the same breath as the Alts and Pennings of the league and one of our BEST draft picks of this decade.

Along with Drake and Gonzo, with half the decade still to go. That could end up being quite a conversation.

 

[n1997y]

Will Campbell is the second best tackle in the league in the amount of time needed for him to allow a pressure. In other words, he's not giving up quick wins for the edge rusher. Second only to Lane Johnson.

Second best in time to pressure and among the top ten or so for lowest pressure rate.

So he doesn’t give up many pressures and when he does the QB has had plenty of time before he’s pressured.

That’s not a bad combination.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

And on this metric he's doing best:

 

[patfanken]

Not sensitive at all, I just disagree with your entire premise. I haven't seen anything to indicate that any of the ther rookie left tackles are playing better than Campbell is, and you didn't bring anything to back up your case that they are. And when you see a franchise caliber player available you take them, you don't **** around playing games and trading down in the hopes you will still get a guy you want, you take them. In the case of both Maye and Campbell there were considerable groups of people here who wanted them to **** around and trade down, and in both cases the Patriots did the right thing, took the players they wanted, and their play has proven them right.

You sir are simply bat **** ****ing crazy. What do you mean "you haven't seen anything to indicate..." It's RIGHT THERE on the page we both were basing this entire discussion. A sheet that told us (rightly or wrongly) that Banks and Simmons were ranked slightly higher than Campbell in some factor that I have forgotten already. It was a ranking that was the reason I even got involved in this stupid thread. And you have so mono-maniacally failed to acknowledge that it has NOTHING to do with my belief that Campbell has been a wildly successful draft pick.. so far. Which I have stated over and over again.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You sir are simply bat **** ****ing crazy. What do you mean "you haven't seen anything to indicate..." It's RIGHT THERE on the page we both were basing this entire discussion. A sheet that told us (rightly or wrongly) that Banks and Simmons were ranked slightly higher than Campbell in some factor that I have forgotten already. It was a ranking that was the reason I even got involved in this stupid thread. And you have so mono-maniacally failed to acknowledge that it has NOTHING to do with my belief that Campbell has been a wildly successful draft pick.. so far. Which I have stated over and over again.

There was nothing in your response to me that had any data in it at all. And the data I saw posted was that only Lane Johnson was giving his QB more time than Campbell has.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You sir are simply bat **** ****ing crazy. What do you mean "you haven't seen anything to indicate..." It's RIGHT THERE on the page we both were basing this entire discussion. A sheet that told us (rightly or wrongly) that Banks and Simmons were ranked slightly higher than Campbell in some factor that I have forgotten already. It was a ranking that was the reason I even got involved in this stupid thread. And you have so mono-maniacally failed to acknowledge that it has NOTHING to do with my belief that Campbell has been a wildly successful draft pick.. so far. Which I have stated over and over again.

Ken, you were the person claiming that they might have been better off trading down, and that's what I was responding to.

 

[dliverey44]

If those assholes start saying nice things about him then I will worry. I actually saw a help wanted ad for WEEI last week, it read " **** talking assholes needed. Must be willing to talk **** endlessly, be wrong about everything, and look like a complete idiot."

At most jobs you get fired for being wrong every time, Felger gets bonuses for it.

I know and I am very excited because they called me back for an interview. I picked up the call and said go **** yourself and hung up, I start Monday. LMAO

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I'm happy we have him. I don't know Xs or Os I just know our QB isn't having to run for his life for the first time since 2021.

 

[dliverey44]

I found it, when wingspan is important. LOL

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Geeess, so sensitive. Not saying ANYTHING negative about Will. Just noting that the same stat sheet that lauds Campbell's play so far, ALSO has 2 other first round OT's slightly higher in their rankings. Just right there to see. Personally, I don't understand the metrics of half these creative stats they throw at us.

Again, the same stats that are being used to laud Will and disprove his detractors, show that Banks and Simmons are doing just as well if not slightly better. Maybe there are other stats that show Campbell is doing better than those 2 guys. I don't know.

Maybe this gives credence to those who wanted to trade down to say 10-15 and take Banks or into the 20's and take Simmons and pick up a future #1 or a couple of 2nd day picks.

Given how the draft ACTUALLY played out, it's hard to think it might have been better than the almost perfect score he see here now. But we are fans, and we ALWAYS think it would have been better if only WE were in charge (or in the case of some, "if I were in charge".)

Yes, there were posters including myself who were attracted to the idea of trading down and taking Banks. But there was a real danger of trading too far down and missing both Campbell & Banks. Simmons was a different story, he was and remains a significant injury risk, which is why he fell so far.
But the posters I’m talking about in the posts above were disparaging Campbell due to arm length, not exploring trades.

 

[Ring 6]

Geeess, so sensitive. Not saying ANYTHING negative about Will. Just noting that the same stat sheet that lauds Campbell's play so far, ALSO has 2 other first round OT's slightly higher in their rankings. Just right there to see. Personally, I don't understand the metrics of half these creative stats they throw at us.

Again, the same stats that are being used to laud Will and disprove his detractors, show that Banks and Simmons are doing just as well if not slightly better. Maybe there are other stats that show Campbell is doing better than those 2 guys. I don't know.

Maybe this gives credence to those who wanted to trade down to say 10-15 and take Banks or into the 20's and take Simmons and pick up a future #1 or a couple of 2nd day picks.

Given how the draft ACTUALLY played out, it's hard to think it might have been better than the almost perfect score he see here now. But we are fans, and we ALWAYS think it would have been better if only WE were in charge (or in the case of some, "if I were in charge".)

Ken what chart are you referring to? If it’s the one I saw in this thread I don’t think you understand how to read it.
It has pass block efficiency increasing from left to right and # of pass blocks bottom to top.
Your “analysis” that we could have traded down because Banks and Simmons are “higher” than Campbell means you think the way to find the best LT is looking at who was on the field for the most passes.
Both were left of Campbell, the measure that says their pb efficiency was worse.
I think you need to revisit your opinion on this.

 

[Ring 6]

I found it, when wingspan is important. LOL

An inch shorter finger wouldn’t matter here either

 

[Ring 6]

You sir are simply bat **** ****ing crazy. What do you mean "you haven't seen anything to indicate..." It's RIGHT THERE on the page we both were basing this entire discussion. A sheet that told us (rightly or wrongly) that Banks and Simmons were ranked slightly higher than Campbell in some factor that I have forgotten already. It was a ranking that was the reason I even got involved in this stupid thread. And you have so mono-maniacally failed to acknowledge that it has NOTHING to do with my belief that Campbell has been a wildly successful draft pick.. so far. Which I have stated over and over again.

Ken the ranking was number of snaps. You aren’t “better” because your team had more pass plays. Both were worse on the quality of play measure

If your argument is the guy whose team passes the most is therefore the best, it’s right there on the page. If it’s who plays better got it backwards