The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[1960Pats]

Man, there's an awful lot of piling on. From everywhere. Bill's past conduct toward the media is coming back to bit him in the ass.

 

[Thunderhead]

Nothing without Brady

 

[lancerman]

Man, there's an awful lot of piling on. From everywhere. Bill's past conduct toward the media is coming back to bit him in the ass.

The lesson is be careful how you treat people on the way up because those are the same people you see on the way down.

Belichick was a great coach in his day. He also had a tendency to treat the media like **** and we excused it as "they deserve it, they ask dumb questions" because Bill helped us win. He was someone who demanded loyalty from coaches and players and cast them out if he felt slighted or felt they were no longer useful. With players we just said he's being a pragmatic no nonsense coach. With coaches we usually disparaged the people he had beefs with even though they seem to get along with everyone else.

If he was an Andy Reid or Jimmy Johnson type, there'd be a lot more people coming out to soften what is happening and give him cover. But very few people actually want to do that for him so he's left on a high wire and he doesn't have the room to be flopping this bad.

 

[1960Pats]

The lesson is be careful how you treat people on the way up because those are the same people you see on the way down.

Belichick was a great coach in his day. He also had a tendency to treat the media like **** and we excused it as "they deserve it, they ask dumb questions" because Bill helped us win. He was someone who demanded loyalty from coaches and players and cast them out if he felt slighted or felt they were no longer useful. With players we just said he's being a pragmatic no nonsense coach. With coaches we usually disparaged the people he had beefs with even though they seem to get along with everyone else.

If he was an Andy Reid or Jimmy Johnson type, there'd be a lot more people coming out to soften what is happening and give him cover. But very few people actually want to do that for him so he's left on a high wire and he doesn't have the room to be flopping this bad.

I never liked Bill's treatment of the media and fans. I have a friend who was in the media room and he had a lot of negative things to say about Bill's treatment of and lack of respect for the media. According to him, whenever Bill would refer to the media he'd point back over his shoulder to the media room and say "those assholes." Bill made it much harder for them to do their jobs. He also made it less enjoyable for my fandom.

The predictions came out early declaring that Bill's schtick would work fine if he won but not so well if he lost. We reached that point quite some time ago here. Now his schtick isn't working at all in college, and his gal pal isn't helping.

It would have been great if things had turned out differently, but alas they haven't.

 

[lancerman]

I never liked Bill's treatment of the media and fans. I have a friend who was in the media room and he had a lot of negative things to say about Bill's treatment of and lack of respect for the media. According to him, whenever Bill would refer to the media he'd point back over his shoulder to the media room and say "those assholes." Bill made it much harder for them to do their jobs. He also made it less enjoyable for my fandom.

The predictions came out early declaring that Bill's schtick would work fine if he won but not so well if he lost. We reached that point quite some time ago here. Now his schtick isn't working at all in college, and his gal pal isn't helping.

It would have been great if things had turned out differently, but alas they haven't.

I'll say again, he either should have given up everything but the x's and o's of coaching and let the team build a modern NFL personnel department so he didn't need to worry about it OR he should have rode off into the sunset with Brady. People would have forgiven a 1 or 2 down years to see them go out together.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The lesson is be careful how you treat people on the way up because those are the same people you see on the way down.

Belichick was a great coach in his day. He also had a tendency to treat the media like **** and we excused it as "they deserve it, they ask dumb questions" because Bill helped us win. He was someone who demanded loyalty from coaches and players and cast them out if he felt slighted or felt they were no longer useful. With players we just said he's being a pragmatic no nonsense coach. With coaches we usually disparaged the people he had beefs with even though they seem to get along with everyone else.

If he was an Andy Reid or Jimmy Johnson type, there'd be a lot more people coming out to soften what is happening and give him cover. But very few people actually want to do that for him so he's left on a high wire and he doesn't have the room to be flopping this bad.

Great post, right on the money.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'll say again, he either should have given up everything but the x's and o's of coaching and let the team build a modern NFL personnel department so he didn't need to worry about it OR he should have rode off into the sunset with Brady. People would have forgiven a 1 or 2 down years to see them go out together.

I mistakenly believed that Belichick pushed Brady out because he wanted to modernize their offense with a running quarterback, go after Shula's record, and leave the franchise in excellent shape. I could not have been more wrong about his goals or who he really was as a person.

 

[signbabybrady]

I mistakenly believed that Belichick pushed Brady out because he wanted to modernize their offense with a running quarterback, go after Shula's record, and leave the franchise in excellent shape. I could not have been more wrong about his goals or who he really was as a person.

Why is it so hard to understand that Bill wanted to keep Brady. He didn't want to give him a 3 year extension before the 2019 season though.

 

[h0c2000]

North Carolina's Bill Belichick visits Eastern Massachusetts high school football game

The legendary Patriots coach visited a high-profile Massachusetts high school football game on Friday.

www.patriotledger.com

 

[Huckleberry1]

North Carolina's Bill Belichick visits Eastern Massachusetts high school football game

The legendary Patriots coach visited a high-profile Massachusetts high school football game on Friday.

www.patriotledger.com

Wow. Scouting. Maybe Bunny is on the ropes, gotta get a look at the local talent. Don't get yourself in trouble Billy, make sure they are over 18, check their Real ID's.

 

[XLIX]

North Carolina's Bill Belichick visits Eastern Massachusetts high school football game

The legendary Patriots coach visited a high-profile Massachusetts high school football game on Friday.

www.patriotledger.com

The coaches should have forbidden UNC personnel from attending the game.

ha ha no I'm just joking.... no head coach would ever be so huge of a prick as to do that because it really only hurts his players...

 

[Boomer B]

Why is it so hard to understand that Bill wanted to keep Brady. He didn't want to give him a 3 year extension before the 2019 season though.

Clueless. Brady asked for 2 year deals well before 2019. Bill wanted to drag him on year to year. Kraft should have stopped in and overruled Bill

 

[signbabybrady]

Clueless. Brady asked for 2 year deals well before 2019. Bill wanted to drag him on year to year. Kraft should have stopped in and overruled Bill

Of course there were prior negotiations too. Your own statement agrees with my premise that Bill wanted to keep Brady.

 

[lancerman]

Why is it so hard to understand that Bill wanted to keep Brady. He didn't want to give him a 3 year extension before the 2019 season though.

He had the GOAT QB and he wanted to play until he was 45. You only don't give him the extension if you are looking for an exist soon. Also let's call a spade a spade, there was friction between the two and Brady outright said he wasn't going to be there unless one of the two changed a lot in that dynamic. You might have got one more year out of Brady. It would have been an absolute circus trying to franchise tag a 42-43 year old QB who won 6 Super Bowls for the team.

At the end of the day Brady wanted a longterm deal, Belichick wanted to go year to year. Bill wanted to be able to cast Brady off the minute he felt he was seeing a decline, Tom did felt disrespected and did not want the coach to dictate how his career ended. It was already coming to head.

Also there were several months between the Pats last game and Tom signing with the Bucs. Every single report was that there was radio silence from Bill regarding Tom's contract. If you're the GM and you blow it that bad with your QB, that's on you. If Maye ends up being good and then a similar series of events plays out, everyone here would be massacring Wolf for his handling of it.

 

[signbabybrady]

He had the GOAT QB and he wanted to play until he was 45. You only don't give him the extension if you are looking for an exist soon. Also let's call a spade a spade, there was friction between the two and Brady outright said he wasn't going to be there unless one of the two changed a lot in that dynamic. You might have got one more year out of Brady. It would have been an absolute circus trying to franchise tag a 42-43 year old QB who won 6 Super Bowls for the team.

At the end of the day Brady wanted a longterm deal, Belichick wanted to go year to year. Bill wanted to be able to cast Brady off the minute he felt he was seeing a decline, Tom did felt disrespected and did not want the coach to dictate how his career ended. It was already coming to head.

Also there were several months between the Pats last game and Tom signing with the Bucs. Every single report was that there was radio silence from Bill regarding Tom's contract. If you're the GM and you blow it that bad with your QB, that's on you. If Maye ends up being good and then a similar series of events plays out, everyone here would be massacring Wolf for his handling of it.

Your own statement also agrees with my premise that Bill wanted to keep Brady.

 

[lancerman]

Your own statement also agrees with my premise that Bill wanted to keep Brady.

He wanted to keep him on his own terms and was willing to let it fall apart and lose him if he Brady didn't do it exactly his way. That's a pretty loose idea of "wanting to keep" someone. He had the means to keep him, he did everything to ensure he would leave.

 

[signbabybrady]

He wanted to keep him on his own terms and was willing to let it fall apart and lose him if he Brady didn't do it exactly his way. That's a pretty loose idea of "wanting to keep" someone. He had the means to keep him, he did everything to ensure he would leave.

You say potato I say he just didn't think he'd actually leave at 43 years old. Brady was under contract here through age 42 and he just didn't think he'd go. Not to mention he thought '19 would go better and Brady wouldn't be able to walk away. Then the quick exit gave Brady an out.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Nothing without Brady

Lombardi is nothing without Starr.

 

[Bill Lee]

Man, there's an awful lot of piling on. From everywhere. Bill's past conduct toward the media is coming back to bit him in the ass.

I think that's a big slice of it. Also his actions in the late period were, frankly, an insult to the fans, starting with putting the corpse of Cam Newton onto the field, followed by the MP/JJ/sons year. There's a lot of cosmic debt crashing down on Bill these days. Unfortunately UNC fans are paying some of the bills.

 

[sb1]

Bill Belichick’s UNC coaching stint sours with losses, lawsuit and all eyes on girlfriend Jordon Hudson

Blow out losses, a UNC lawsuit and distractions from Jordon Hudson on the sidelines have put the former Patriots coach in the line of fire as fans question what’s next for UNC.

nypost.com

After they miss out on a bowl game it wouldn’t surprise me if BB accepts a buyout at the end of the season. What a mess.