Patriots Pregame Thread Week 4 discussion: Panthers @ Pats

[Uptown]

Their defense I believe has the lowest pass rush win rate in the NFL.

I thought it was Miami..

 

[sb1]

Campbell is a great LT, but playing Campbell at LG is not ridiculous. Sorry. Campbell could be one of the greatest LGs of all time. Campbell might be perfect at LG. I know I will get murdered for this, but Campbell might be the closest to Hannah at LG as the NFL has seen. If we could draft a dominant LT in 2026 and move Campbell to LG, we would have one of the most dominant left sides EVER for 10 years. I am a BPA guy, but if a dominant R1 selection at LT is available in 2026, pushing Campbell to LG, that should get you excited.

Much easier said than done. Don't see a dominant LT draft prospect in 2026.

 

[KCSVEN]

From the highlight tape from last week vs Atlanta; it looks like CAR D is really dangerous when you throw to the left. Their CB & S there were anticipating; jumping routes; and picking balls.

I just watched the all 22 on Penix. He has a gun, those 5-10 yard outs are a bread and butter for him. But I don't think there was another type of throw that he consistently made. He was wildly inaccurate on many throws.

He also had a habit of not looking when he went to the RB outlet. He'd just go through progressions and turn and throw to the RB without looking where the defense was first. Caused a 5-yard loss on 1 play, the pick 6 interception was another. The other pick the receiver fell on his break, the pass ended up too far inside so might have been picked anyways but once the receiver fell it was an easy pick.

When CAR played zone the underneath for the Tight End and Running Backs was open a ton. Expect Henry to have a big game. Chism would have a big game if he played as they try to let you catch underneath and tackle. Which is the Chism strength.

Penix was horrible after the first drive. So far, he's living up to my pre-draft analysis. He is not an NFL starting QB.


Speaking of Chism AKA The Legend:

Fueled by goals: Efton Chism III’s ‘superpower’ driving his Patriots dream

Efton Chism III arrives at Gillette Stadium before dawn, determined to overcome his position on the Patriots depth chart. Here's an in-depth look at the rookie's story:

www.masslive.com

 

[PatsFan2]

The slot receiver can not be very good.

Really want to see Diggs more in the Slot: would even give Boutte' a shot there. Either couldn't be any worse than Douglas there.

 

[Gumby]

Exactly how do they figure out what the 1st read, 2d, etc is?

I mean if QB is staring ot the right to move the safety; and then hits the left side WR; does this analyst think that was the 2d read instead of what was just play design-schematics-tactics?

If data was trustworthy; what I want is the guy who hits the 2d read a lot; ....... that tells me he is reading the field. In this data; that guy is M Stafford by a WIDE WIDE Margin. 30% holy cow.

Unfortunately he doesnt hit the first read that often, but maybe that on the WRs.

 

[PatsFan2]

I just watched the all 22 on Penix. He has a gun, those 5-10 yard outs are a bread and butter for him. But I don't think there was another type of throw that he consistently made. He was wildly inaccurate on many throws.

He also had a habit of not looking when he went to the RB outlet. He'd just go through progressions and turn and throw to the RB without looking where the defense was first. Caused a 5-yard loss on 1 play, the pick 6 interception was another. The other pick the receiver fell on his break, the pass ended up too far inside so might have been picked anyways but once the receiver fell it was an easy pick.

When CAR played zone the underneath for the Tight End and Running Backs were open a ton. Expect Henry to have a big game. Chism would have a big game if he played as they try to let you catch underneath and tackle. Which is the Chism strength.

Penix was horrible after the first drive. So far, he's living up to my pre-draft analysis. He is not an NFL starting QB.


Speaking of Chism AKA The Legend:

Fueled by goals: Efton Chism III’s ‘superpower’ driving his Patriots dream

Efton Chism III arrives at Gillette Stadium before dawn, determined to overcome his position on the Patriots depth chart. Here's an in-depth look at the rookie's story:

www.masslive.com

We'll see how loyal McDaniels is to Pop: the results have been putrid. Pop is not going to learn how to play the Slot effectively this season. Time to try some new personnel. IF Chism is Inactive this week I'm going to question Vrabel. That said I'm not a 100% in on McDaniels.

 

[Ross12]

Makes sense that the Pats face a lot of stacked boxes, because right now their only big threat is in the run game. Stevenson's dropping the ball, but he's also looked very good otherwise, and the league already knows Henderson is a home run threat. Whereas at WR, everything is very in flux. Diggs is getting back into shape, Pop has just been bad, Hollins plays a certain role well but isn't scary. The only guys you have to kinda key on just a little are Boutte and Hunter Henry.

Hopefully if Chism starts getting snaps over Pop, and even more importantly, if Williams starts seeing the field more and threatening intermediate/deep, the defensive gameplanning will change.

 

[Uptown]

It’s a mix of teams throwing a ton & us being pretty stout up front (Tonga, Barmore, Williams etc..). Hopefully, we continue to improve.

 

[Thelonious]

Favorites, eh? That makes sense, IF we can avoid kicking ourselves in the ass.

Rhamondre should be inactive for the game. That's what he deserves, and doing so is important both to the team's "culture," and, I think, to Vrabel's standing with the team. If he squishes out on this, I'm gonna begin to worry just what sort of leader he is. All the tough guy horseshit - diving into dog piles, pretending to do the drills - has to be backed up with decisive action, or the players will start to smell a phony. I know I will.

 

[Ross12]

Favorites, eh? That makes sense, IF we can avoid kicking ourselves in the ass.

Rhamondre should be inactive for the game. That's what he deserves, and doing so is important both to the team's "culture," and, I think, to Vrabel's standing with the team. If he squishes out on this, I'm gonna begin to worry just what sort of leader he is. All the tough guy horseshit - diving into dog piles, pretending to do the drills - has to be backed up with decisive action, or the players will start to smell a phony. I know I will.

Don't think an outright healthy scratch is needed but he should be demoted to 3rd RB for now. Gibson as the lead back, Henderson as change of pace/3rd down, and then Stevenson only sees the field if someone gets hurt. The players will get the message. Making him inactive would really just be to make the fans happy, but doesn't benefit the team.

 

[PatsFan2]

Makes sense that the Pats face a lot of stacked boxes, because right now their only big threat is in the run game. Stevenson's dropping the ball, but he's also looked very good otherwise, and the league already knows Henderson is a home run threat. Whereas at WR, everything is very in flux. Diggs is getting back into shape, Pop has just been bad, Hollins plays a certain role well but isn't scary. The only guys you have to kinda key on just a little are Boutte and Hunter Henry.

Hopefully if Chism starts getting snaps over Pop, and even more importantly, if Williams starts seeing the field more and threatening intermediate/deep, the defensive game planning will change.

To his credit Rham is a really good Receiver. I would use him as our Primary Third Down RB... and split the major carries between Henderson and Gibby unil Rham cleans up his fumble problems. Rham could easily be our Top Receiver: shows how pathetic our WR's are.

 

[PatsFan2]

Favorites, eh? That makes sense, IF we can avoid kicking ourselves in the ass.

Rhamondre should be inactive for the game. That's what he deserves, and doing so is important both to the team's "culture," and, I think, to Vrabel's standing with the team. If he squishes out on this, I'm gonna begin to worry just what sort of leader he is. All the tough guy horseshit - diving into dog piles, pretending to do the drills - has to be backed up with decisive action, or the players will start to smell a phony. I know I will.

That going for it that deep in our Territory on Fourth Down really bothered me. That's not conventional Football: hope it never happens again; I can understand if we were at our 40 or close to mid field. That was a Madden online player vs player move.

 

[PatsFan2]

Don't think an outright healthy scratch is needed but he should be demoted to 3rd RB for now. Gibson as the lead back, Henderson as change of pace/3rd down, and then Stevenson only sees the field if someone gets hurt. The players will get the message. Making him inactive would really just be to make the fans happy, but doesn't benefit the team.

Yes Second best Receiving average on the Team 13.8 Catching 10 of 11 Targets. It's sad but until these pedestrian WR's show otherwise; we can't sit him.

 

[jmt57]

Odd piece of trivia.

I would not have guessed that Carolina is one of the few teams that the Patriots have an all-time losing record against in regular season games.

Miami, Denver, sure; but the Panthers?
Cam Newton was 2-0 against Tom Brady.

Overall the series is tied 4-4: 3-4 in the regular season, 1-0 in postseason.

Panthers vs Patriots | Historical Data Since 2000

Patriots Historical Data Since 2000 against the Carolina Panthers.

www.patsfans.com

1995: 20-17 loss in Foxboro (Bill Parcells, Drew Bledsoe vs Dom Capers, Kerry Collins)
2002: 38-6 win in Charlotte (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady vs George Seifert, Chris Weinke)
2004: 32-29 win in Houston (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady vs John Fox, Jake Delhomme in SB 38)
2005: 27-17 loss in Charlotte (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady vs John Fox, Jake Delhomme)
2009: 20-10 win in Foxboro (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady vs John Fox, Matt Moore)
2013: 24-20 loss in Charlotte (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady vs Ron Rivera, Cam Newton)
2017: 33-30 loss in Foxboro (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady vs Ron Rivera, Cam Newton)
2021: 24-20 win in Charlotte (Bill Belichick, Mac Jones vs Matt Rhule, Sam Darnold)

 

[denverpatsfan]

That going for it that deep in our Territory on Fourth Down really bothered me. That's not conventional Football: hope it never happens again; I can understand if we were at our 40 or close to mid field. That was a Madden online player vs player move.

It worked. That Steelers D was trash. If they hang onto the ball they win by 14 most likely. They have nothing to lose this season. Challenge these guys!

 

[Uptown]

 

[dliverey44]

A Stacked Box and our WR's still cant get open?? I blame McDaniels.

Slow that down, WRs are getting open. Just because Maye isn't hitting a lot of outside passes doesn't mean those guys aren't open.




The graphic above with Maye throwing into open windows is a reflection of McD

 

[Ross12]

Henry + Hooper SHOULD be advantage Pats, but need a WR who can threaten deep in order to keep the safeties back.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Henry + Hooper SHOULD be advantage Pats, but need a WR who can threaten deep in order to keep the safeties back.

For sure. I’ve been saying the past couple weeks we need more deep shots. If you don’t threaten the deep 3rd of the field, Ds shrink their coverage and crowd the underneath stuff. Exactly what we saw when Mac was here. Gotta give Williams or even Diggs some shots.
Our O is playing pretty well, but we need to integrate Williams more.
If we can make Ds respect the deep threat, our O could really take off imho

 

[mike_usagisan]

Our two best skill guys are Hunter Henry and Rham, so it makes sense why the Pats are doing so much out of 12.