Injury Creates Starting Opportunity For Former Patriots Quarterback (Mac Jones)

[zydecochris]

"Stopped listening to the scouts..." coincided with Kraft saying Belichick needed to start listening "to personnel people" around 2020, which also coincided with Eliot Wolf's hiring. If it wasn't plainly obvious to people already, the draft room was different. Go look at a recording of when the Patriots took Mac Jones and tell me there wasn't a lot of hesitation. There was. Callahan at the Herald was more tuned into the new dynamic and he wrote about it frequently. Now, Belichick had a bad several years of drafting before 2020, but that was also when they were winning Super Bowls, picking last in each round, trading away picks for old vets, and losing picks for scandals.

As for Belichick and his mentorship of QBs, maybe you can say the record is mixed. Because in Cleveland, he resurrected Vinny Testaverde (who was considered a bust) into a Pro Bowl level QB. Then there was Brady. But Brady was followed by Matt Cassel who had an 11-5 year in 2008. That's mentorship as well. In fact, prior to 2020, the total record for subs QBs in the Brady era was 14-6 (counting Brady's deflategate punishment).

Good point, especially about BB’s mentorship of Testaverde, I had forgotten about that.

 

[sb1]

1 simple reason 49ers won’t let QB controversy erupt with Mac Jones and Brock Purdy

For those thinking the 49ers have a quarterback controversy on their hands between Brock Purdy and Mac Jones, think again.

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Agreed. Also cork is a decent backup but not good enough or consistent enough to start in the league...so all of this will take care of itself anyway.

 

[sb1]

No, what I wrote was Biill "didn't do what his mentor Parcells did and find another job when he allegedly couldn't buy the groceries any more".

I said nothing about either Bill quitting on the team, that is coming from your drug-addled brain.

To make it as clear as possible, the right response for a person who feels undermined by their bosses is to leave and find a new job.

I know, I've done it myself before.

If the guy truly is the GOAT coach and as clean as the driven snow then of course he can easily find another job, right?

The standard narrative from many as to why Bill installed the MP/JJ combo and his sons is that he felt undermined by the Krafts so he installed his loyalists and circled the wagons.

I'm saying he did it because he lost self-awareness to the point that he thought that it was a good idea and didn't think through how that would impact his team and his legacy.

Of course it was a terrible idea, one that he should have been let go for by the end of the season, but those mean Krafts gave him another year to try to straighten things out, a decision I bet they now regret.

Sorry if a concept more nuanced than "hater" is something too difficult for you to take on, but again, lay off the edibles.

This. Says it all that no other NFL team wanted anything to do with him.

Soon Bunny can trademark "Fired (Bill's version)" since this will be his third time canned.

 

[signbabybrady]

No, what I wrote was Biill "didn't do what his mentor Parcells did and find another job when he allegedly couldn't buy the groceries any more".

I said nothing about either Bill quitting on the team, that is coming from your drug-addled brain.

To make it as clear as possible, the right response for a person who feels undermined by their bosses is to leave and find a new job.

I know, I've done it myself before.

If the guy truly is the GOAT coach and as clean as the driven snow then of course he can easily find another job, right?

The standard narrative from many as to why Bill installed the MP/JJ combo and his sons is that he felt undermined by the Krafts so he installed his loyalists and circled the wagons.

I'm saying he did it because he lost self-awareness to the point that he thought that it was a good idea and didn't think through how that would impact his team and his legacy.

Of course it was a terrible idea, one that he should have been let go for by the end of the season, but those mean Krafts gave him another year to try to straighten things out, a decision I bet they now regret.

Sorry if a concept more nuanced than "hater" is something too difficult for you to take on, but again, lay off the edibles.

Ok I took the day off.

Again you just assume your own facts. A standard narrative is not a fact. I would say it's the opposite it's something generally accepted in the absence of facts. Something typically created by media that have to talk about it all the time so need something to say. And more and more media wether real news or sports news just pick a side and report what that side wants.

Then you assume a lack of self awareness. You really don't think he was aware of the risks. The choice came down to hiring someone he trusted to run his offense of which he had his own set of credentials that made him uniquely qualified or finding someone else who had never worked with before.

I just don't understand what's the problem with saying he got something wrong without have to add all this other baggage to it.

And I'm more than capable of understanding the nuances but when you ride every nuance to the same conclusion. Someone might assume you reached that conclusion prior and rode your bias straight to where you wanted to go.

 

[signbabybrady]

This. Says it all that no other NFL team wanted anything to do with him.

Soon Bunny can trademark "Fired (Bill's version)" since this will be his third time canned.

He's 2-1 and you've fired him already. Lol

 

[Bill Lee]

Again you just assume your own facts. A standard narrative is not a fact. I would say it's the opposite it's something generally accepted in the absence of facts. Something typically created by media that have to talk about it all the time so need something to say. And more and more media wether real news or sports news just pick a side and report what that side wants.

Then you assume a lack of self awareness. You really don't think he was aware of the risks. The choice came down to hiring someone he trusted to run his offense of which he had his own set of credentials that made him uniquely qualified or finding someone else who had never worked with before.

It's fine for you to assume that there was no one anywhere he could find that could coach offense that he worked with before after working in the NFL since 1975, but for us, we're making up narratives.

I just don't understand what's the problem with saying he got something wrong without have to add all this other baggage to it.

Because it's a part of a pattern of bad decisions. He hires a defensive guy to run his offense which is like hiring a painter to fix your plumbing, yet he thinks he can make it all work. He as a 73 year old guy begins dating a 24 year old girl who all of a sudden owns a lot of real estate. He thinks the way to react to a perceived lack of welcome in the Patriots facility is to banish their scouts which hurts his players more than it hurts the Patriots.

And I'm more than capable of understanding the nuances but when you ride every nuance to the same conclusion. Someone might assume you reached that conclusion prior and rode your bias straight to where you wanted to go.

So you're having a hard time grasping the idea that people tend to look for patterns in people's behavior and use those things to reach conclusions?

Of course there are biases involved, that's a part of the human condition.

The thing that makes you a troll is that you insist that the only narrative that is correct is yours, and if people don't accept that narrative then they're haters.

When you're presented with facts that challenge your narratives then you stonewall them.

For instance:

Post in thread 'Injury Creates Starting Opportunity For Former Patriots Quarterback (Mac Jones)'

Sep 17, 2025

It still justifies why he would try something similar again. And I acknowledged he miscalculated doing it at OC and that Matty P could do it as well.

See how that works a mistake but with a reasonable explanation without having to make up some motivations about intentionally tanking Mac or not caring anymore. Things that never occurred.

When you give a reasonable reason to put Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense, I might concede the point. No one thought this was a good idea. Kraft voiced his concerns about it, but Belichick do it anyway. Everyone thought this was...

• Rob0729

 

[signbabybrady]

It's fine for you to assume that there was no one anywhere he could find that could coach offense that he worked with before after working in the NFL since 1975, but for us, we're making up narratives.



Because it's a part of a pattern of bad decisions. He hires a defensive guy to run his offense which is like hiring a painter to fix your plumbing, yet he thinks he can make it all work. He as a 73 year old guy begins dating a 24 year old girl who all of a sudden owns a lot of real estate. He thinks the way to react to a perceived lack of welcome in the Patriots facility is to banish their scouts which hurts his players more than it hurts the Patriots.



So you're having a hard time grasping the idea that people tend to look for patterns in people's behavior and use those things to reach conclusions?

Of course there are biases involved, that's a part of the human condition.

The thing that makes you a troll is that you insist that the only narrative that is correct is yours, and if people don't accept that narrative then they're haters.

When you're presented with facts that challenge your narratives then you stonewall them.

For instance:

Post in thread 'Injury Creates Starting Opportunity For Former Patriots Quarterback (Mac Jones)'

Sep 17, 2025

It still justifies why he would try something similar again. And I acknowledged he miscalculated doing it at OC and that Matty P could do it as well.

See how that works a mistake but with a reasonable explanation without having to make up some motivations about intentionally tanking Mac or not caring anymore. Things that never occurred.

When you give a reasonable reason to put Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense, I might concede the point. No one thought this was a good idea. Kraft voiced his concerns about it, but Belichick do it anyway. Everyone thought this was...

• Rob0729

I don't use my assumptions to reach the silly conclusions that you do.

My conclusions are reached based on facts. Like his 8 SB championships.

 

[sb1]

Because it's a part of a pattern of bad decisions. He hires a defensive guy to run his offense which is like hiring a painter to fix your plumbing, yet he thinks he can make it all work. He as a 73 year old guy begins dating a 24 year old girl who all of a sudden owns a lot of real estate. He thinks the way to react to a perceived lack of welcome in the Patriots facility is to banish their scouts which hurts his players more than it hurts the Patriots.

If even Dianna Russini is lecturing Bill over this then you know the HOF voters are watching....and they're not impressed with what they're seeing.

Kraft has no regrets that's for sure.

 

[Bill Lee]

I don't use my assumptions to reach the silly conclusions that you do.

My conclusions are reached based on facts. Like his 8 SB championships.

Yes, but you also say "erase everything from 2019 onward".

Your silly bias/assumption is that everything before 2019 is all that matters.

It's not at all factual or sensible to do so, it's a part of your own personal choice/bias of how to look at things.

Guess what, other people have other ways of looking at things.

The fact you insist everyone see it your way and your way alone is what makes you a troll.

 

[signbabybrady]

If even Dianna Russini is lecturing Bill over this then you know the HOF voters are watching....and they're not impressed with what they're seeing.

Kraft has no regrets that's for sure.

The NFL HoF aren't looking at what happens in college.

The NFL HoF sucks, their biased to other teams, and hate Rodney, but college shouldn't have any bearings.

I can't imagine even that group of haters will keep Bill out but we'll see.

 

[signbabybrady]

Yes, but you also say "erase everything from 2019 onward".

Your silly bias/assumption is that everything before 2019 is all that matters.

It's not at all factual or sensible to do so, it's a part of your own personal choice/bias of how to look at things.

Guess what, other people have other ways of looking at things.

The fact you insist everyone see it your way and your way alone is what makes you a troll.

It's not a silly biased anything. Once you've achieved success nothing can take that away. It's really that simple.

No one holds the last ten years without a title against Joe Torre.

You want to carry on calling out stupid bs, unfounded rumors, and complete fabrications and I'll go on calling out the BS.

 

[Bill Lee]

It's not a silly biased anything. Once you've achieved success nothing can take that away. It's really that simple.

Says the guy who insists he understands nuance, lol.

You want to carry on calling out stupid bs, unfounded rumors, and complete fabrications and I'll go on calling out the BS.

Hope you find time to do that since you're so busy jerking off to Belichick videos.

 

[sb1]

Yes, but you also say "erase everything from 2019 onward".

Your silly bias/assumption is that everything before 2019 is all that matters.

It's not at all factual or sensible to do so, it's a part of your own personal choice/bias of how to look at things.

Guess what, other people have other ways of looking at things.

The fact you insist everyone see it your way and your way alone is what makes you a troll.

Exactly. Maybe if Bill retired when Brady left as I said he should have done - then everything before 2019 would be all that mattered for his legacy. That didn't happen so...

 

[Bill Lee]

Exactly. Maybe if Bill retired when Brady left as I said he should have done - then everything before 2019 would be all that mattered for his legacy. That didn't happen so...

In his world, it's as if the Patriots started each game after 2019 with an announcement on the big screens:

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THIS GAME
ALL THAT MATTERS IS THOSE 6 SUPER BOWLS

 

[signbabybrady]

Says the guy who insists he understands nuance, lol.



Hope you find time to do that since you're so busy jerking off to Belichick videos.

 

[sb1]

In his world, it's as if the Patriots started each game after 2019 with an announcement on the big screens:

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THIS GAME
ALL THAT MATTERS IS THOSE 6 SUPER BOWLS

Next Bunny trademark “After 2019 doesn’t count (Bill’s version)”

 

[PatsFanInVa]

My takeaway from the Brady/Cowherd clip was that there are a lot more terrible OCs and QB coaches in the NFL than just a few,

Given that he said we should rank them 1-32 just like we rank QBs, I think he was hinting that the curve probably looks the same i.e. top quartile really good, bottom quartile really bad, and a whole lot of mediocrity in between. Talent is probably the classic bell-shaped curve (for those who math, a Gaussian distribution), like many other things are..

In turn we I think we can say that those who do not get that top quartile level coaching are at a huge disadvantage to those who do. To me that's the exact point Brady is making in that video.

As for Brady himself, we're all free to re-tell the legend how we see fit, but the bit that always sticks with me is:



I've seen the video clip where Brady himself tells this story, but can't find it online now so the text comes from this:

Tom Brady draws motivation from negative coaches' notes | FOX Sports

By Pat BradleyTom Brady went from sixth-round afterthought to arguably the greatest quarterback of all time, and it’s generally presumed he did so with an everlasting chip on his shoulder.While that last part seems to be true, it’s apparently not the chip we all thought it was.It’s...

www.foxsports.com

IIRC the way Brady tells the story is that the coaches were doing an evaluation at the end of his rookie year, they stepped out for a second, he read that note about himself and it hit him that what he was doing wasn't cutting it, and he needed to kick it into high gear or his ass would get cut. This is right before **** Rehbein passed away and he then got those 1-on-1s with BB.

Given our context is the development of QBs and MJ in particular, my point is that QBs take time to develop and even Brady didn't show up as a day-1 starter.

I think the development we saw from his own admission that at the end of his rookie season he was marginal to being ready to taking the reins when Bledsoe got knocked out to winning SB36 then SB38 and SB39 is definitely due to his talent and his hard work, but IMO we'll never know if it would ever have happened if he didn't read that evaluation of himself, or if he didn't get the 1-on-1 tutoring he got from BB after **** Rehbein sadly passed away.

I don't think it was pre-destined that he would kick it into high gear, and that he would have had the coaches around him that enabled that to happen. Again, I think this is what he is telling us in this video.

I had a similar life experience. In middle school my evaluation earned me a demotion in math from college-level to 'math for idiots'. I sat in class for a year being pissed off about it, then from that point on I had that "I'll show you" chip on my shoulder. But the main thing was that once I did bear down I saw mathing wasn't as hard as people made it out to be, and if you put in the effort you'd get the reward. I rode that pissed-off energy till the point I ended up with degrees in electrical engineering and computer science, and beyond.

Personally I don't think TB12 himself knew there was a higher gear till after he got that evaluation and till he learned 'the answers to the exam' from BB.

That story's great. Do we really believe he "accidentally" got to see those notes?

Each player can improve. Each player has to silence his ego, take coaching, and turn all the doubt into a chip on his shoulder... while still taking the notes as ammunition to prove they are not his "ceiling," they are something to work on until they are overcome. And the coaching must be good coaching. I think BB was good for Brady because he's famously impossible to impress, iow, they agreed when he basically said after a great game that it was pretty good, and they could do better.

There's such a mental aspect, and not just the film & playbook angle... the things that seem impossible except through constant learning and self-motivation (because it takes repeated continuous effort) -- like "be less slow." A lot of guys have one foot always in the "I've been the best all my life, I'll be the best at this level" delusion and can't lose it. Brady didn't have that, courtesy of Brian Griese and whatever else. He wasn't what he became until he became it. And whatever he achieved it was never enough. He would be the first one to say that he wasn't super-gifted physically, wasn't instantly this savant seeing the field... whatever gifts he had he honed through a buttload of hard work and desire.

The other most Brady part of Brady was always rising to the occasion. It seems like none of them were lost on him, at least the moments we know of. Bledsoe goes down, he answers the bell. He's coached to play within what he can do, and he does exactly that -- then shines exactly when he had to shine. In SB36 does enough to keep us in it, then at the moment of truth, was clutch. He sees that note accidentally (or accidentally on purpose) and he takes it as motivation. Imagine a Jeff George or Ryan Leaf reading that note. Then he became as great individual talent that can put any team on his back and take it to the playoffs, and get many of them to the SB.

You always saw a moment-to-moment clarity with Brady, even after a crappy game. He had BB, the portrait of Dorian Gray, in the next room, getting rattier and rattier looking, while he put on his tolerant and increasingly handsome face. But away from the camera. he had a mindfulness that translated to "I want X. Take it as a given that it is in my power to achieve X," where the value of X is "winning the Super Bowl." What about me needs to improve - what about us needs to improve? How do we get better?

Have you done that, in your everyday relatively low paid low stakes life? Maybe you did, you shared your personal story. Not me. Twenty years straight, where you leaned into taking every note in a way that could make you better? Maybe you did, but I sure as hell haven't done that for a 20 year stretch. I mean., that was pretty much his jam, and when you stop and think about it, it's pretty awesome. Good motivational poster. If TFB can be humble enough to improve, wtf is your problem?

It reminds me of the quote attributed to cellist Pablo Casals. A reporter asked him why he practiced hours every day when he was already considered one of the world's greatest musicians. He said, "because I think I am making progress."

Brady had that attitude from the beginning, and miraculously, he never let it go. Maybe the "moments" each came at exactly the right moment. If he's a 1st pick in the draft, does he play within himself until time to shine? If Mo Lewis had the flu that day, is it three more years before a middling career with three teams before he finds himself in the playoffs? If he has a coach who gets him destroyed with bad coaching to the tune of 5 sacks a game, does he develop the trust that he and BB had?

But moments aside, whatever he achieved, It was never enough..., not one super bowl, not three, not six. Certainly not 18-1... although I have a pet conspiracy theory that BB didn't want to beat the Gintz. Don't repeat that, it's stupid. anyway. So tx for coming to my Ted Talk.