Who will be the better NFL qb Maye or JJ McCarthy

[maust]

Can someone give examples of high profile QBs that have fixed accuracy issues? I'm not talking about throwing the ball out of bounds or holding it to avoid interceptions, i.e., avoiding boneheaded plays. I'm talking about getting the ball to the best spot for the receiver to make a play without being killed.

Josh Allen comes to mind, the switch seemed to flip for him in 2020, before that the jury was kind of out on him. He went from a completion rate of 58.8 in '19 to 69.2 in '20. Lamar Jackson had a similar swing from his rookie to second years.

 

[PatsFan2]

HC Kevin O'Connell have done well with every QB except Joshua Dobbs. JJ McCarthy is in very good hands.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

HC Kevin O'Connell have done well with every QB except Joshua Dobbs. JJ McCarthy is in very good hands.

It's a relief we have Dobbs on our team now.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I’m not sure where this whole, Drake Maye is inaccurate thing is coming from. He was almost at 65% in college (64.9) and his rookie season in the NFL, he was at 66.6%.

There are completions and then there are better completions. You know, the ones where you hit the receiver in stride so he can pick up another 10-15 yards on the play, instead of making him reach back and get pummeled. Or balls that hit the receiver in the chest so they can turn up field, instead of having to go up for it and get carried out on a stretcher. Or balls so well thrown that the defender can't touch it but the ball drops right into the basket for an easy TD. To summarize: balls that good QBs throw with regularity. They can be the difference between winning and losing championships.

 

[PatsFan2]

It's a relief we have Dobbs on our team now.

Tell me about it.

 

[State]

Maye all the way.

The one thing I was consistently high on about McCarthy were just the intangibles.

"Intangibles "? Meaning he knew the defense's signals? So he knew what what they were going to do.

Michigan likely gave South Carolina the intel on Tennessee's signals. Spencer Rattler threw 6 TDs and almost five hundred yards.

Just sayin.

 

[p8ryts]

Can someone give examples of high profile QBs that have fixed accuracy issues? I'm not talking about throwing the ball out of bounds or holding it to avoid interceptions, i.e., avoiding boneheaded plays. I'm talking about getting the ball to the best spot for the receiver to make a play without being killed.

This is not factual but my perception. Josh Allen was very erratic, physically and mentally the first 3 years before seemingly getting it.

 

[Rob0729]

Can someone give examples of high profile QBs that have fixed accuracy issues? I'm not talking about throwing the ball out of bounds or holding it to avoid interceptions, i.e., avoiding boneheaded plays. I'm talking about getting the ball to the best spot for the receiver to make a play without being killed.

Josh Allen is probably the best example. He was awful when he first came into the league. His rookie season, he completed 52.8% of his passes. His second season it increased to an "impressive" 58.8% of his passes. People were calling him a major bust at that point. He hasn't had a completion percentage worse than 63.3% since.

Same with Peyton Manning. He completed 56.7% of his passes and had a (still) rookie record of 28 INTs his rookie season. But he did throw the ball a lot though.

Drew Brees was inaccurate early in his career in San Diego completing only 57.8% of his passes his second year as a starter. He went on to be one of the most accurate QBs in history (third in NFL history in career completion percentage after Burrow and Tua) completing well over 70% of his passes many seasons.

 

[Rob0729]

This is not factual but my perception. Josh Allen was very erratic, physically and mentally the first 3 years before seemingly getting it.

He had completion percentages of 52.8% and 58.8% in his first two season. It is factual.

 

[Grogan14]

Repeat the question after game 1

Mccarthy clutch and a winner
Maye has not been clutch

JJ could turn out to be the better qb

 

[mgteich]

The no-brainer of the choice of Maye continues to be under question. And yes, most of us thought that it was the right pick with the information that we had on the players and trade possibilities.
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But all that matters little now. All six QB's seem to have the potential of being a top 10 QB. So much depends on coaching and management.

 

[mgteich]

This is not factual but my perception. Josh Allen was very erratic, physically and mentally the first 3 years before seemingly getting it.

That doesn't mean that current 2nd year QB's have the potential to become Josh Allen.

That's similar to expecting a 6th rounder that you have on the roster to become Brady.
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And yes, teams will look terrible for giving up too early on their QB's or will look terrible for paying $30M a year to keep a QB with mediocre results.
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That's what management gets the big bucks to decide. IMO, much more depends on coaching than we are willing to admit. Some 23-26 year olds are ready to go and succeed no matter how good or bad the coaching is. And then there is the great majority.

 

[mayoclinic]

Josh Simmons will be a better QB than either.

 

[Rob0729]

Repeat the question after game 1

Mccarthy clutch and a winner
Maye has not been clutch

JJ could turn out to be the better qb

A lot easier to be clutch when you have Justin Jefferson and the Vikings receiving corp. For three quarters, MCCarthy looked like dung. Let’s see him over the entire season.

For the first three quarters, Vikings fans were calling for them to bring back Darnold.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

Repeat the question after game 1

Mccarthy clutch and a winner
Maye has not been clutch

JJ could turn out to be the better qb

Tough to argue with such a svasg sample size as one quarter.

Give Drake Justin Jefferson, he made Sam Darnold look like a HOFer

 

[BennyBledsoe]

At the moment, he still needs time with one system. He still needs what every QB needs...pass protection and guys who can get open. Right now, it's still too early to say he's not getting anywhere. I already saw him take smarter decisions with his running. Sliding, getting out of bounds. Am I thrilled with how he played that game? Obviously not Was I still able to find something usable in amongst the bad throws? Yeah.

And as others have noted, the new preseason/training camp rules have pretty much made the first 4-5 games of the season like the old 4-5 game preseason. I'm sure he barely knows any of these new guys, there's so many of them.

 

[Dec54]

I was and still am apart of the vocal minority here that doesn't really see much in McCarthy. Was glad we didn't draft him. Willing to eat crow if I'm wrong, but I just don't see anything to write home about.

Same here never did understand all the hype, was not impressed with him against the Bears, flashed at the end but no, glad we never took him.

 

[Dec54]

Maye was quoted as saying "Early on in games he's overly amped up"

He will learn to control his emotions

 

[Dec54]

Repeat the question after game 1

Mccarthy clutch and a winner
Maye has not been clutch

JJ could turn out to be the better qb

You keep trying Sam I'll give you that.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

A lot easier to be clutch when you have Justin Jefferson and the Vikings receiving corp. For three quarters, MCCarthy looked like dung. Let’s see him over the entire season.

For the first three quarters, Vikings fans were calling for them to bring back Darnold.

Well if Drake Maye had Jefferson he would still probably throw the ball 5 feet over his head.