Bill vs TCU game thread

[FCB02062]

It is beyond me that there still people on here defending Belichick. For years many of us have been saying it was all or 75% Brady. We've been proven correct, beyond a shadow of a doubt. The Bill Bobos have not a leg on which to stand. Bill's record without Brady (84-103), utter dog ****. But yet here we are, after Bill gets embarrassed on national tv, and we still have PatsFans defending this buffoon. I've posted countless times about other coaches without their best QB - Reid without Mahomes (183-120-1), Jimmy Johnson without Aikman (41-43), Holmgren without Favre (90-80), Bill Parcells without Phil Simms (99-89-1 and 6-5 playoffs)....and all those coaches blow Bill without Brady out of the water. NFL coaches who have a similar win % as Belichick without Brady (.450)....Todd Bowles (.449), Jerry Glanville (.465), and Sam Wyche (.440). Great company for one of the biggest frauds in professional sports history.

 

[sb1]

It is beyond me that there still people on here defending Belichick. For years many of us have been saying it was all or 75% Brady. We've been proven correct, beyond a shadow of a doubt. The Bill Bobos have not a leg on which to stand. Bill's record without Brady (84-103), utter dog ****. But yet here we are, after Bill gets embarrassed on national tv, and we still have PatsFans defending this buffoon. I've posted countless times about other coaches without their best QB - Reid without Mahomes (183-120-1), Jimmy Johnson without Aikman (41-43), Holmgren without Favre (90-80), Bill Parcells without Phil Simms (99-89-1 and 6-5 playoffs)....and all those coaches blow Bill without Brady out of the water. NFL coaches who have a similar win % as Belichick without Brady (.450)....Todd Bowles (.449), Jerry Glanville (.465), and Sam Wyche (.440). Great company for one of the biggest frauds in professional sports history.

Unfortunately perception can be reality and that is his legacy right now. All his coaching success is tied to Brady. Not a good start if he wants to change that.

 

[signbabybrady]

It is beyond me that there still people on here defending Belichick. For years many of us have been saying it was all or 75% Brady. We've been proven correct, beyond a shadow of a doubt. The Bill Bobos have not a leg on which to stand. Bill's record without Brady (84-103), utter dog ****. But yet here we are, after Bill gets embarrassed on national tv, and we still have PatsFans defending this buffoon. I've posted countless times about other coaches without their best QB - Reid without Mahomes (183-120-1), Jimmy Johnson without Aikman (41-43), Holmgren without Favre (90-80), Bill Parcells without Phil Simms (99-89-1 and 6-5 playoffs)....and all those coaches blow Bill without Brady out of the water. NFL coaches who have a similar win % as Belichick without Brady (.450)....Todd Bowles (.449), Jerry Glanville (.465), and Sam Wyche (.440). Great company for one of the biggest frauds in professional sports history.

You do know Bill has 2 rings without Bill right?

But let's just stick to your logic/Math and it doesn't support your stance. Even by your own logic your stance is terrible. Your giving Bill %25 credit extremely low in my opinion but let's go with it. That still adds up to 1.5 SB victories.
Hardly something that should be criticized in the fashion that you do.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

You are welcome

Thanks Bobby

 

[Patsfan1645]

You do know Bill has 2 rings without Bill right?

But let's just stick to your logic/Math and it doesn't support your stance. Even by your own logic your stance is terrible. Your giving Bill %25 credit extremely low in my opinion but let's go with it. That still adds up to 1.5 SB victories.
Hardly something that should be criticized in the fashion that you do.

 

[signbabybrady]

Unfortunately perception can be reality and that is his legacy right now. All his coaching success is tied to Brady. Not a good start if he wants to change that.

More all Brady crap. All his coaching success is tied to every player that contributed to those 6 teams and even to each team that came close along the journey. AI tells me there are 248 different Patriots players who got a ring during this run and they were all coached by Belichick. Facts that are undeniable everything else your warped sense of reality.

 

[XLIX]

You do know Bill has 2 rings without Bill right?

Ignoring the above typographical error....

Everyone in this thread - everyone - is discussing Bill Belichick in the context of him being a head coach. It is hilarious to see one person, and just one person, so desperate to constantly try to derail the entire topic of conversation.

 

[signbabybrady]

8 of them in total.

 

[Patsfan1645]

8 of them in total.

I'm not a Bill hater or a Bill disciple. I just look for the chance to meme But in all seriousness I dont think its possible to extrapolate Brady from Bill and how things would have turned out for either had they never crossed paths.

 

[203Pat]

The franchise tag was removed as an option well after the draft and there was already urgency to use assets to help with the open championship window so his QB investments could only be so big for years after the Brady/Jimmy stuff.

I agree he's never seemed to over value the WR position and since the RB position across the league is devalued (even if a little vogue again right now still far from RB hay day) I'd even say skill position. But in no way would I say he undervalues the QB position.

I think this false narrative comes from his comments about being able to win with an above average QB. And I've always said that was more about his confidence in the players on that dynasty team and not meant as any kind of knock on Brady or QBs.


8 time SB winning track record lol no way at all though.

Bill traded Jimmy on Halloween of 2017. That gave him 2.5 years to formulate a succession plan. He could have taken Lamar Jackson in the draft the year after or found a way to package those two first-round picks for another QB instead of taking a plodding RB with a bad knee and a guard to play tackle.

The same way NFL players are paid on potential and not past production, Bill shouldn't be handed another opportunity at a QB after past failures in spite of his overall resume.

 

[XLIX]

I'm not a Bill hater or a Bill disciple. I just look for the chance to meme But in all seriousness I dont think its possible to extrapolate Brady from Bill and how things would have turned out for either had they never crossed paths.

There is no way to know what happens to Brady without Belichick.

But it is perfectly easy to know what happens to Belichick. He would have stayed on through 2001 - maybe 2002 at best - and then been fired.

 

[203Pat]

Ignoring the above typographical error....

Everyone in this thread - everyone - is discussing Bill Belichick in the context of him being a head coach. It is hilarious to see one person, and just one person, so desperate to constantly try to derail the entire topic of conversation.

By that logic McDaniels is the best coach in the NFL right now.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I wasn't able to watch. How'd it go for Belichick?

I'm sure at the very least the D was in good shape as that's what Bill is known for.

 

[signbabybrady]

There is no way to know what happens to Brady without Belichick.

But it is perfectly easy to know what happens to Belichick. He would have stayed on through 2001 - maybe 2002 at best - and then been fired.

No respect for that defense

 

[signbabybrady]

By that logic McDaniels is the best coach in the NFL right now.

He's definitely better than some guys still head coaching

 

[203Pat]

He's definitely better than some guys still head coaching

Your logic is deeply flawed and you won't admit it.

 

[signbabybrady]

Your logic is deeply flawed and you won't admit it.

You got a game to win tomorrow who you taking to coach McD or Raheem Morris?

 

[Bill Lee]

Now you're back to being a little fan and writing off his whole career.

In an effort to try and create some sort of middle ground let me come at it from your side and ask what is having a GOAT like Brady actually worth compared to the other great QBs to win multiple? Call it the Brady curve if you will. You guys seem to want to erase all 6 and that clearly isn't right. Should we give Bill half credit at least still making him a 3 time winner? That still doesn't seem right most SB winning coaches have great QBs too. You obviously know I think this is rediculous question but what do you think is the right Brady curve because again obviously erasing all 6 is crazy. Be fair this is not a Bill vs Brady debate this is Bill on Brady curve Vs other Coaches.

As I wrote earlier, I'm not a "Bill vs Tom" guy, I'm a "Bill and Tom" guy.

The thing I was going for was along the lines of "past performance doesn't guarantee future results".

Today's Bill isn't the same as yesterdays.

Part of that is because he had Tom, but other parts of that was that he was still really hungry after being shown the door in Cleveland and having to hang on to BP's coat tails in NE and NYJ, he had Charlie and Romeo, and he was in his late 40s not early 70s.

 

[signbabybrady]

As I wrote earlier, I'm not a "Bill vs Tom" guy, I'm a "Bill and Tom" guy.

The thing I was going for was along the lines of "past performance doesn't guarantee future results".

Today's Bill isn't the same as yesterdays.

Part of that is because he had Tom, but other parts of that was that he was still really hungry after being shown the door in Cleveland and having to hang on to BP's coat tails in NE and NYJ, he had Charlie and Romeo, and he was in his late 40s not early 70s.

I'd say losing Casserio, McD, Scar, and Ernie in the span that he did had a lot to do with the struggles the last few years. Not finding a QB being reason 1 and Brain drain reason 2.

 

[Bill Lee]

I think Bill deliberately ran Brady out of town, but for argument’s sake, if we work under the assumption that Brady wanted to leave and Bill wasn't able to stop him, then Bill still had no backup plan at the position. Bill seemed perfectly content to roll with Jarrett Stidham and Brian Hoyer at the most important position in sports until Stidham went to a wedding or something. Then, 2 weeks before camp, he decided Cam Newton would hop off the scrapheap to be our starter.

Then, when he drafted a very physically limited quarterback, he surrounded him with bargain bin talent like Nelson Agholor, Kendrick Bourne, and already confirmed bust, N'Keal Harry. It is clear that Bill can no longer construct a winning offense at this point, and it seems mainly because he doesn’t value the quarterback position or value the skill positions enough to prop up a limited QB. Mix in giving a second-year QB a DC at OC and then yanking him in and out of the lineup for a guy who was equally as bad. Bill set the entire offense up for failure.

In no way should someone with that recent track record be trusted to get another chance.

It's the same kind of vibe I felt after Josh McDaniels left. There was all kinds of discussions here and elsewhere about how in the world would/could Bill replace Josh? Then, when he could wait no more, we got the whole MP, JJ and Sons setup dropped on us. Oh, and no titles for anyone. The idea was IBWT, give it time, it'll all come together. Uhm, nope.

That's when it should be clear that Bill can no longer construct a winning coaching staff at this point. Whatever talent he had left in his coaching tree moved on and he hasn't been able to recruit and/or train people good enough to replace them. What we are left with is cronies and family members.