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[h0c2000]

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His grand daughter aged girlfriend must need more money.

 

[signbabybrady]

Same as what I just wrote, it's a reminder that you can't keep pretending your heroes are perfect when they aren't. The man was a great coach, lost his fastball, fell into a honey trap, and ended up being rejected by 32 NFL teams. Given these teams do their homework, clearly they read how his honey now magically owns millions of dollars of real estate. Clearly once you know this you don't hand your billion-dollar franchise over to such a person. Clearly bunny chasing is a big part of why he is no longer in the NFL.

Clearly still a little fan of his though am I right.

 

[Bill Lee]

Clearly still a little fan of his though am I right.

Clearly you can't refute what I wrote so you're right back to name calling.

 

[Bill Lee]

Yep. Bob couldn't control himself.

Turns out he has flaws too, and it's not all "Bill good, Bob bad" or "Bob good, Bill bad".

 

[Wozzy]

"I didn't get my way so that's why we sucked"

Embarrassing.

We saw the before and after results. Sucks for you.

 

[Wozzy]

You mean Bill did his job and any defensive coordinator or coach would do the same thing? Yay go Bill! Lol

And yet here is your hoodied hero whining that his teams sucked because he can't get his own way. And "oh well I didn't like the NFL much anyway college football is better" "That fkn owners son". Speaking of childish...

Bill drafted and developed Brady, Gronk for that matter… facts suck for you.

 

[Wozzy]

Odd thing is he had more power than any other executive in the NFL and probably hired all those people he now complains about.

The reason the Krafts got more into "his business" as time went on was that it was clear the team was heading in the wrong direction in the post-Brady era, and especially in the post-2021 era, but he never acknowledges that.

As you suggest, let's see who he blames if/when things at UNC goes sour.

Not his last four years according to his interview and Bob’s announcement of “collaboration” entering 2021.

The owners started meddling because Bob got caught up in the massage parlor snafu and his kids realized he was losing his fastball… so Jonathan took over operations. Jonathan wanted a fresh start and to build
the franchise in his own image… that didn’t include the old football coach.

This is surprising? It’s literally the plot of Any Given Sunday.

 

[signbabybrady]

Clearly you can't refute what I wrote so you're right back to name calling.

First you're writing is not factually accurate. Example you just said he probably hired the people he's complaining about.

And you've framed the argument in a way that if I try to point out these inaccuracies I'm just putting him on some pedestal. What employee am I supposed to pick that I can use to debate your point that won't end up with you just saying I'm blindly defending Bill?

And may I point out that he far exceeded what one should have to accomplish to earn that pedestal.

Second you're not writing in a way to create debate. You write in a way that divides and creates tension. You use crude tactics like calling him a bunny chaser and all sorts of other negative things that I don't feel like going back to quote like calling him arrogant what seemed like double digit numbers in one post.

So yes I will call you out as hater and throw some names back at you from time to time instead of refuting every dumb thing you say.

 

[Bill Lee]

First you're writing is not factually accurate. Example you just said he probably hired the people he's complaining about.

And you've framed the argument in a way that if I try to point out these inaccuracies I'm just putting him on some pedestal. What employee am I supposed to pick that I can use to debate your point that won't end up with you just saying I'm blindly defending Bill?

And may I point out that he far exceeded what one should have to accomplish to earn that pedestal.

Second you're not writing in a way to create debate. You write in a way that divides and creates tension. You use crude tactics like calling him a bunny chaser and all sorts of other negative things that I don't feel like going back to quote like calling him arrogant what seemed like double digit numbers in one post.

So yes I will call you out as hater and throw some names back at you from time to time instead of refuting every dumb thing you say.

The difference is the evidence that he is bunny chasing is clear and obvious, yet your name calling is your tactical construct to try to avoid discussing the fact that he is bunny chasing and that his bunny chasing has clearly impacted his career trajectory and legacy.

 

[signbabybrady]

And let me point something out very clearly. I'm on defense in this thread. There's nothing I can do to force you guys to return to this thread with your offensive (foul) posts but I can continue to defend Bill and hope you'll eventually run out of steam. And I promise I will talk about Bill and his 8 rings for the rest of my life or at least until he adds a 9th ring then I'll talk 9 until I die.

 

[Bill Lee]

Not his last four years according to his interview and Bob’s announcement of “collaboration” entering 2021.

The owners started meddling because Bob got caught up in the massage parlor snafu and his kids realized he was losing his fastball… so Jonathan took over operations. Jonathan wanted a fresh start and to build
the franchise in his own image… that didn’t include the old football coach.

This is surprising? It’s literally the plot of Any Given Sunday.

What is the evidence to support that conjecture?

To me there is plenty of reasons why an owner would want to put some checks and balances around late-period BB.

We don't need owner's ego to support that move, IMO.

 

[h0c2000]

https://www.frogsowar.com/big12-football/45311/countdown-to-kickoff-2025-7-days-until-horned-frog-football

One week until kickoff. Go horny toads!

 

[signbabybrady]

The difference is the evidence that he is bunny chasing is clear and obvious, yet your name calling is your tactical construct to try to avoid discussing the fact that he is bunny chasing and that his bunny chasing has clearly impacted his career trajectory and legacy.

Factually incorrect we didn't even know who Hudson was last year when the hiring cycle passed on him. And he chose UNC before this years cycle.

We don't know all the details as to which teams Bill was interested in last year other than ATL and only a few of them had openings but that doesn't stop you from misrepresenting that 32 teams turned him down.

You're not interested in holding a factual debate so stop pretending you are. You're just hating plain and simple.

 

[sb1]

We saw the before and after results. Sucks for you.

4-13 before Bill was fired and 4-13 after. Sucks for all Patriots fans.

 

[sb1]

Bill drafted and developed Brady, Gronk for that matter… facts suck for you.

Bill is out of the NFL for a reason. Facts suck for you and your excuse-making simpy whiny hoodied hero who can't win without the GOAT QB.

 

[203Pat]

I acknowledge he made mistakes I just don't think he made enough over a long enough period of time that he didn't warrant another chance.

But apparently 3 losing seasons after winning our team 6 SBs is enough to make my opinion ludicrous.

And moreso in the eyes of his haters because Mac wasn't good and Stidham wasn't Jimmy that it somehow invalidates the rest of Bill's career to just being a product of Brady.

And since when do you have to know someone personally to defend them? There are thousands of examples throughout history of people doing the right thing for people they don't know because it's the right thing to do. Calling yourself a Patriots fan and obsessing over Bill's worst season is just a loser miserable masshole thing to do.

But you seem to vehemently argue and defend your stance and not allow anyone to have a difference of opinion because you want to gatekeep fandom as if you should be the arbiter. For many of us it wasn't so much the losing as much as it was a lack of foresight from Bill. He used to be the master of "better a year early than a year too late" but it became clear he was become more and more reactive as opposed to proactive. He ran Brady out of town with absolutely no contingency plan. He started creating holes on the roster through his own personal mismanagement and then using valuable resources in an attempt to plug the holes.

Add that to the Patricia OC experiment and a 20 year old girlfriend that was very likely around when Bill was still the head coach here it is more than fair to question his decision making over the last 5 years. I appreciate what he did here but you and Woozy get offended at the mere mention of Bill's record without Brady or the fact that Brady won a ring without Bill. The whining about Brady's post-Bill success was so bad Ian at to create and entirely separate sub-forum to placate the posters who didn't want to ready about Brady. The facts are what they are and pointing them out doesn't make you a "hater" or a bad fan.

 

[Bill Lee]

And let me point something out very clearly. I'm on defense in this thread. There's nothing I can do to force you guys to return to this thread with your offensive (foul) posts but I can continue to defend Bill and hope you'll eventually run out of steam. And I promise I will talk about Bill and his 8 rings for the rest of my life or at least until he adds a 9th ring then I'll talk 9 until I die.

If only Bill was as dedicated to doing things that would protect his legacy as you are to defending him, then this thread would have died a long time ago. But, no, he dives into scandal after scandal and clearly doesn't give a damn any more. That's where things are, like it or not.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think the narrative, "Bill treated players like ****" needs some qualifying. Yes- he was a prick to play for. Every player who played for him will say, "Bill was a tough coach, borderline a-hole"...but they said the same thing about Lombardi, Landry, Noll, and Shula. What do they all have in common? The players respected and appreciated them. The list is long of players who don't like Bill, but the list is longer of the players who will say Bill made them better players and put them in a position to succeed.

In terms of negotiating with Bill. He played hardball. Kraft did. Agents did. His shrewd mgt of the cap helped put this team is a position to have great rosters to support Tom.

If posters want to bash Bill for post Tom era or drafts, I'll agree.

To bash Bill for being an a-hole to players? Who cares.

The answer to that is, they did. It didn’t have to be that way, but Belichick was so disrespectful, and such an ******* to their greatest players that they wanted out, left, and finished their careers elsewhere. He could have been a tough coach and a shrewd negotiator without being a ****, but he just couldn’t help himself. Players like Seymour, Mankins, Law, Brady, Gronk , Edelman, and Wilfork gave their all to this franchise, and deserved better than the way they were treated by Bill.

 

[signbabybrady]

But you seem to vehemently argue and defend your stance and not allow anyone to have a difference of opinion because you want to gatekeep fandom as if you should be the arbiter. For many of us it wasn't so much the losing as much as it was a lack of foresight from Bill. He used to be the master of "better a year early than a year too late" but it became clear he was become more and more reactive as opposed to proactive. He ran Brady out of town with absolutely no contingency plan. He started creating holes on the roster through his own personal mismanagement and then using valuable resources in an attempt to plug the holes.

Add that to the Patricia OC experiment and a 20 year old girlfriend that was very likely around when Bill was still the head coach here it is more than fair to question his decision making over the last 5 years. I appreciate what he did here but you and Woozy get offended at the mere mention of Bill's record without Brady or the fact that Brady won a ring without Bill. The whining about Brady's post-Bill success was so bad Ian at to create and entirely separate sub-forum to placate the posters who didn't want to ready about Brady. The facts are what they are and pointing them out doesn't make you a "hater" or a bad fan.

Here's the thing though you can go look through the Brady forum you won't find me taking this same stance while Bill was still here I mostly stayed out of it and let you guys vent and debate back and forth about the Bill vs Brady debate. I had no interest in at the time and I was happy to stay in the main forum.

But since Bill was fired it's completely different. I obviously have my opinions on if that was the right choice and countless other things that were discussed in the aftermath but at some point it crossed the line from a healthy debate to just kicking a man while he's down and I'm not required to just stand by and watch that. So you're damn right I'm kicking back and I don't really care if there is some friendly fire in the way because you guys have pushed into the fanatical part of being a fan.

 

[Grogan14]

Bob didn't help with the hit-piece documentary

Maybe Kraft was pissed off at all the sniping from Bill and lack of gratitude for making him a very rich man