The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

I'm obviously one of the Boards biggest BB guys.

I don't know why we're still talking coaching in the NFL that ship sailed when he took the UNC job. He's not coming back now. He didn't even wait for this years cycle obviously he had knowledge of what opportunities may or may not have been there and he made his decision to take what I assume will be his last coaching job.

 

[lancerman]

I'm obviously one of the Boards biggest BB guys.

I don't know why we're still talking coaching in the NFL that ship sailed when he took the UNC job. He's not coming back now.

Agreed.

Even in a hypothetical scenario, Belichick would only get an NFL job again if he does a good job at UNC. If he fails there, nobody in the NFL is going to look his way. If he does a good job, it would probably be at least 3 years for him to go on an upward trajectory and prove his work. At that point he'll be in his mid to late 70's which isn't going to be attractive for an NFL franchise and why wouldn't he just ride out a presumably good college program he built?

If he was going to be back in the NFL, he would have taken a job by now or at least wouldn't have signed on for a college gig.

 

[reflexblue]

So cute, made for each other.

Fat and skinny. theres a nursery rhyme about this

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes she is. She will dump him and move on to her next mark when UNC fires him.

Disagree, she’s in it for the money, she’s not going anywhere until she knows she’s not getting it.

 

[Bill Lee]

Also tbh, every coach has their day. Bill at the end had a very undisciplined team that was making mistakes and didn't look all that prepared the last two seasons. So I'm not even sure his past pedigree is relevant anymore.

Yeah, and this is before we consider how crap his last few drafts have been. No, Kraft did not tell him to take Cole Strange.

 

[zydecochris]

Respectfully… you don’t know how it works in college these days. If a player leaves by week 3 (before he uses his year of eligibility) then he’s gone. There’s no “healthy scratch” since he’s off the team and already accepting offers from other schools.

When some other school offers him $500,000 to go there, he’ll be laughing at Belichick all the way to the bank.

Yes, the new NIL dynamic changed everything, there is a reason why Nick Saban decided to unexpectedly retire when he did. He explained it to ESPN as: “I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I’m going to play because they’re thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?”.

5-10 years ago I used to think that Saban and BB were similar types of coaches, although notably Saban hasn't gone down the road that BB has in the last couple of years (e.g., bashing his former employer, taking up with a super-controlling girlfriend almost 5 decades younger, etc., etc.). It is interesting that with the new NIL environment Saban almost immediately decided it was time for him to leave college football, while BB did exactly the opposite and took a college football job. It will be interesting how BB fares with these college players making millions of NIL dollars who can transfer at the drop of a hat for more $$.

 

[zydecochris]

Belichick is 73. There has never been a successful HC in the NFL at that age.

Belichick was once the GOAT but father time caught up to him.
If Belichick was only 63 he would probably be the HC of the Chargers right now.

No NFL owner wants a HC that wants 10mil plus a year, full control of the team, demands his son's be apart of the organization, while being an unhealthy looking 73 year old with a gold digger girlfriend who looks to have taken control of the man.

That fact doesn't take away from Belichick's past greatness, just like you wouldn't want to a 60 year old Joe Montana taking snaps under center doesnt mean he wasnt the best QB in his era.

Agreed, at one point BB was the GOAT of NFL coaches, and many posters seem to have forgotten that. I always thought that until the last few years he was an underrated GM too, especially when it came to UDFA, the WW and savvy cost-effective trades. When it came to his drafting, for many years NE suffered from drafting near the end of every round, because of the Pats unparalleled track record of success.

However, just like "power corrupts"; I think that having great fame and success (and power within the organization) can be corrupting also, and I think BB simply became too convinced of his infallibility after winning his 8 Super Bowl rings. Earlier in his career he had strong willed, highly competent assistant coaches and coordinators who I assume would push back. Under him at Cleveland and most his time at NE, he had Nick Saban, Ernie Adams, Scott Pioli, Bill O'Brien, Brian Daboll, Romeo Crennel, and Josh McDaniels. All strong-willed, highly competent assistants, hardly "yes men". However, we all know what happened in his last year in NE, he chose to surround himself with his sons and past assistants he felt comfortable with like Patricia who he put in a position completely outside their expertise. I think he simply stopped listening to others near the end of his NE tenure, he felt he always knew best.

If he was at the top of his game surrounded by top assistants who would express strong opinions, and he listened to him, I don't think the NFL would really care about the age of his girlfriend.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yeah, and this is before we consider how crap his last few drafts have been. No, Kraft did not tell him to take Cole Strange.

BB last draft was quite good.

 

[sb1]

BB last draft was quite good.

Closer to meh than good imo.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Closer to meh than good imo.

Could go either way, but not poor, lousy, or crappy.

Usually 3 starters is considered a good draft. Gonzo, Douglas, Baringer, Ryland and Jake Andrews all look they will start - that is 5 starters. Some think Boutte is a starter. Also there is White and Mapu. I don't think much of White or Boutte, but moving Mapu from FS (where he was misplaced) to LB might revive his career. So overall a good to great draft IMO.

Clearly not a crap draft like your best buddy @Bill Lee professes.

 

[Delicate Genius]

Bills let himself go since finding true love.

Bill Belichick, 73, steps out hand-in-hand with Jordon Hudson, 24

The couple were seen leaving Stoney River Steakhouse and Grill near the UNC campus, looking relaxed and comfortable as they strolled side by side.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is he cultivating mass?

 

[Tunescribe]

I'm obviously one of the Boards biggest BB guys.

I don't know why we're still talking coaching in the NFL that ship sailed when he took the UNC job. He's not coming back now. He didn't even wait for this years cycle obviously he had knowledge of what opportunities may or may not have been there and he made his decision to take what I assume will be his last coaching job.

He took the UNC job because he realized the NFL is done with him. And I suspect taking the UNC job has as much to do with setting his sons up for their coaching careers as anything. The man is 73 and not necessarily young for his age a la Pete Carroll.

 

[Bill Lee]

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He took the UNC job because he realized the NFL is done with him. And I suspect taking the UNC job has as much to do with setting his sons up for their coaching careers as anything. The man is 73 and not necessarily young for his age a la Pete Carroll.

He may be old, but he can relive his youth by chasing Bunnies.

 

[XLIX]

Agreed, at one point BB was the GOAT of NFL coaches,

If you took a poll 10 years ago asking who the greatest coach in the game is and the greatest QB in the game, the vast majority would say Belichick as coach and Brady as QB.

If you took a poll today asking who the greatest coach in the game is and the greatest QB in the game, the vast majority would say Andy Reid as coach and Patrick Mahomes as QB.

It is an amazing coincidence how great head coaches have great QBs on their teams.

 

[Grogan14]

BB *****es about Kraft but was it Kraft who picked

Sony Michel instead of Lamar Jackson
Kyle Duggar instead of Jaylen Hurts
Cole strange instead of trent mcduffie
Mac Jones instead of any JAG qb
Nkeal Harry instead of Deebo Samuel
Joejuan Williams instead of AJ Brown

BB refuses to take responsibility for his colossal gm failures and whines about Kraft

He deserves a statue for his coaching but the booby prize for gm work after 2019

Wish both he and Kraft would STFU

 

[n1997y]

If you took a poll 10 years ago asking who the greatest coach in the game is and the greatest QB in the game, the vast majority would say Belichick as coach and Brady as QB.

If you took a poll today asking who the greatest coach in the game is and the greatest QB in the game, the vast majority would say Andy Reid as coach and Patrick Mahomes as QB.

It is an amazing coincidence how great head coaches have great QBs on their teams.

Recency bias is a big thing

 

[signbabybrady]

If you took a poll 10 years ago asking who the greatest coach in the game is and the greatest QB in the game, the vast majority would say Belichick as coach and Brady as QB.

If you took a poll today asking who the greatest coach in the game is and the greatest QB in the game, the vast majority would say Andy Reid as coach and Patrick Mahomes as QB.

It is an amazing coincidence how great head coaches have great QBs on their teams.

It is an amazing coincidence how great QBs have great head coaches on their teams.

Also I'm pretty sure more than you think would still vote Brady and Belichick. Especially after this last loss.

 

[signbabybrady]

BB *****es about Kraft but was it Kraft who picked

Sony Michel instead of Lamar Jackson
Kyle Duggar instead of Jaylen Hurts
Cole strange instead of trent mcduffie
Mac Jones instead of any JAG qb
Nkeal Harry instead of AJ Brown

BB refuses to take responsibility for his colossal gm failures and whines about Kraft

He deserves a statue for his coaching but the booby prize for gm work after 2019

Wish both he and Kraft would STFU

First BB has never blamed Kraft for anything you mention above so your just making things up.

Second you have no clue what went on behind the scenes that Bill is not happy about but it wouldn't be about individual picks but putting people in place that can create suttle levels of mistrust and conflict. For example do you really think it was in the best interest of the team at the time to be trying to groom the future coach with the current one still in the building?

 

[n1997y]

First BB has never blamed Kraft for anything you mention above so your just making things up.

Second you have no clue what went on behind the scenes that Bill is not happy about but it wouldn't be about individual picks but putting people in place that can create suttle levels of mistrust and conflict. For example do you really think it was in the best interest of the team at the time to be trying to groom the future coach with the current one still in the building?

That might work if the current coach is involved in succession planning, but not behind his back. Backstabbing is never in the interest of a healthy workplace.

In the case the 2024 results speak for themselves.

 

[Triumph]

Simple fact since becoming owner of the Patriots.

First. Prevented the Patriots from being moved to St Louis, so without Kraft there is New England Patriots.

Youve omitted a few facts from your post.

Kraft threatened to move the Pats to Connecticut after the St Louis plan blew up. The St Louis plan blew up because Orthwien was in financial trouble and he needed a partner to invest in the Pats so they could move. Kraft owned the land where the stadium was and he owned 300 acres where the parking was. Kraft skimmed 70 million from Massachusetts for infrastructure improvements. Guess where that 70 Million came from? Not the Tooth Fairy. Furthermore, Kraft never wanted to go to Connecticut because he owned the land for the new Pats stadium in Foxboro.

Second, the Patriots are the most successful team in the NFL since he took over, having both the most wins, superbowls, superbowl appearances, and most times to the playoffs.

You dont say.

Yes, thank you, Bill Belichick won those Super Bowls and playoff games while Kraft was getting a massage.

Third, Belichick is tied for having the worst record as a HC during that time period with Mayo at 4 wins. And Belichick alone has the third worst record as the HC at 5 wins. Pete Carroll never lost more than 8 games with the Patriots.

In 2001, Bob Kraft wanted Belichick to put Bledsoe back in as starting QB.

BB said no and risked his job keeping Brady in. If Brady failed Kraft could fire BB.

Fourth. Kraft recognized his mistakes and made the necessary changes to improve the team. He traded for Belichick, thats right Kraft of his own think decided to trade for and sign Belichick to coach and run his team, and stayed out of his way when Belichick decided to keep Brady as the starting QB over Bledsoe. He also fired Mayo after only 1 bad season because he wasn't afraid to admit he was wrong.

Kraft did not stay out of BBs way. He wanted Bledsoe back in.

Kraft fired Mayo after Kraft did not get in the NFL HOF. If Kraft got inducted in the HOF Mayo is the Pats HC today. Mayo told the Boston media that he would be a better HC in 2025 because Kraft told him that he would have more than 1 season to learn as an NFL HC.

Kraft is the GOAT owner for everything he has done for NE and fans need to respect the man. All his decisions weren't perfect but if we had a guy like Jerry Jones or Al Davis, Bledsoe would have been forced back into the starting line up, the NE Patriots would now be in LA. And there would be no 6 time superbowl winning NE Patriots.

Name one owner who has ever accomplished what Kraft has done.

0 Super Bowl trophies with Kraft in charge.

Kraft ceded control of the Pats to Belichick after Brady won SB36. After Brady left Kraft began to take control away from Belichick.