Dugger not running with the starters

[203Pat]

Looking like a trade/cut candidate. Some of those deals handed out last year are regrettable. On the flip side it seems to mean good things for Woodson.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Looking like a trade/cut candidate. Some of those deals handed out last year are regrettable. On the flip side it seems to mean good things for Woodson.

Who backs up Peppers if we get rid of Dug’s? Not may lb/safety hybrid types on the team. Can Woodson hold up in the box? I’m assuming Mapu is a goner.

 

[Love The Drake]

Who backs up Peppers if we get rid of Dug’s? Not may lb/safety hybrid types on the team. Can Woodson hold up in the box? I’m assuming Mapu is a goner.

Schooler?

 

[Family]

Looking like a trade/cut candidate. Some of those deals handed out last year are regrettable. On the flip side it seems to mean good things for Woodson.

There's little saved by cutting him, and no developmental player as a replacement.

If they can't get something in a trade, why not keep him unless he's a problem.

 

[TheRainMaker]

He's just not a traditional S and Vrabel is phasing out the "hybrids". The guy was getting spun in circles when his snap count went up and had to play deep. Bill absolutely wouldn't have paid Dugger what they did in 2024. One of the most idiotic contracts the Pats have handed out.

If they can't find a trade partner, this will be his last season as his dead cap is $14M and cap savings of $1M in 2025 to a dead cap of $4.5M and $12.5M in cap savings in 2026.

 

[signbabybrady]

Personally I still think Dugger is pretty good player. Kind of sucks for him that Peppers is just better and Hawkins and Woodson offer a more balanced skill set.

It certainly creates a scenario where a player for player swap might make sense. I'm not sure there's a team giving a good enough draft value to trade him but if we could add depth now somewhere else that could make sense for both teams.

I'd also say that Hawkins is only so good and if Woodson isn't quite ready that our starters still could be and maybe even likely still will be Dugger and Peppers.

 

[Triumph]

It don't sound good for Dugg.

Bourne either.

 

[Triumph]

He's just not a traditional S and Vrabel is phasing out the "hybrids". The guy was getting spun in circles when his snap count went up and had to play deep. Bill absolutely wouldn't have paid Dugger what they did in 2024. One of the most idiotic contracts the Pats have handed out.

If they can't find a trade partner, this will be his last season as his dead cap is $14M and cap savings of $1M in 2025 to a dead cap of $4.5M and $12.5M in cap savings in 2026.

That was an awful contract.

 

[TommyD4207]

That was an awful contract.

One of several.

 

[Triumph]

One of several.

Almost like BB wanted to sabotage the franchise.

 

[borisman]

Almost like BB wanted to sabotage the franchise.

Unless the joke went directly over my head, I think it was Wolf who gave out the contract to Dugger.

 

[TommyD4207]

Unless the joke went directly over my head, I think it was Wolf who gave out the contract to Dugger.

It went completely over your head.

Poor Triumph, I salute you, my guy. Trying to keep sarcasm alive in these dark times is god's work.

 

[RobertWeathers]

From 2021-2024 Dugger averaged 100 tackles and 3 INTs a year. Started doing a lot of blitzing as well. He wasn't an all-pro but prob a top 10 safety. Contract was what it was.

For all players 2024 was a lost season- especially him as he was hurt.

What is worrisome is he is running with the reserves under Vrabel.

Something clearly is amiss.

 

[Sect140]

Still a few weeks until the season begins maybe he just trying the rookie out in his position to see how he does. Time will tell.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Who backs up Peppers if we get rid of Dug’s? Not may lb/safety hybrid types on the team. Can Woodson hold up in the box? I’m assuming Mapu is a goner.

Vrabel has Mapu playing LB, not safety. Mapu is unrelated.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Still a few weeks until the season begins maybe he just trying the rookie out in his position to see how he does. Time will tell.

Speculation: One thing Vrabel made clear Day 1 was removing entitlement from the building.

I have no idea if Dugger is "entitled" but if Vrabel thinks he is, this would be the way to remove it.

 

[Love The Drake]

Speculation: One thing Vrabel made clear Day 1 was removing entitlement from the building.

I have no idea if Dugger is "entitled" but if Vrabel thinks he is, this would be the way to remove it.

That’s a possibility, I never heard that about Dugger previously but who knows.

 

[patfanken]

The same ****ing people who would have called Kraft cheap if they HADN'T signed him are the same ones who are complaining they paid too much for him now. You know the guy with 20-20 hindsight.

First of all, this is a freakin' walk through and the media wants to make a big deal about who gets to stand around with whom on the practice field. I don't blame them because they have to write SOMETHING about a nothing practice, but WE are supposed to be intelligent consumers of the product, and we are taking it all so seriously

But let's take the worst-case scenario we all seem to like so very much. In our system it looks like we will be playing 3 safeties a lot in passing situation and as of this moment about halfway through camp those three guys are going to be Hawkins, Peppers, and Woodson. Those are the 3 guys who are playing the best at THIS point and time, and Duggar is the 4th What's wrong with that.

Duggar has proven in his first 3 years he can be an impactful S. what were those stats I saw? He averaged 100 tackles and 3 picks per season and was a force rushing the passer. Even at less than 100% of what he was those first 3 years, he is more than just quality depth at the position. Sure, if that's all he ends up being, he's over paid quality depth, but STILL a guy who you are going to need and makes you a better deeper defense.

This is nothing more than an interesting camp story. It's not a crisis or someone's blunder. Most would have agreed Duggar deserved a raise and got a market deal. It's just that the market was high and the guy got hurt.

Just another case of the 2nd guessers enjoying hearing themselves talke.

 

[Patriot Missile]

The same ****ing people who would have called Kraft cheap if they HADN'T signed him are the same ones who are complaining they paid too much for him now. You know the guy with 20-20 hindsight.

First of all, this is a freakin' walk through and the media wants to make a big deal about who gets to stand around with whom on the practice field. I don't blame them because they have to write SOMETHING about a nothing practice, but WE are supposed to be intelligent consumers of the product, and we are taking it all so seriously

But let's take the worst-case scenario we all seem to like so very much. In our system it looks like we will be playing 3 safeties a lot in passing situation and as of this moment about halfway through camp those three guys are going to be Hawkins, Peppers, and Woodson. Those are the 3 guys who are playing the best at THIS point and time, and Duggar is the 4th What's wrong with that.

Duggar has proven in his first 3 years he can be an impactful S. what were those stats I saw? He averaged 100 tackles and 3 picks per season and was a force rushing the passer. Even at less than 100% of what he was those first 3 years, he is more than just quality depth at the position. Sure, if that's all he ends up being, he's over paid quality depth, but STILL a guy who you are going to need and makes you a better deeper defense.

This is nothing more than an interesting camp story. It's not a crisis or someone's blunder. Most would have agreed Duggar deserved a raise and got a market deal. It's just that the market was high and the guy got hurt.

Just another case of the 2nd guessers enjoying hearing themselves talke.

There’s definitely a game plan specific place for him on this team. Going up against the Derrick Henry’s and Kyren Williams of this league will be a couple of them. Especially on obvious running downs. The contract is what it is. They signed him based on the personal they had, not on who we drafted. Sometimes it’s just blind luck you you land a safety in the 4th round. If they didn’t sign Dugger, he walked and Woodson ending up being a confused rookie where would this team be at? Hawkins has had a promising offseason and camp and played ok last season, but would everyone of felt ok with Hawkins being the starting safety opposite Peppers? Plenty of teams have made the same of overpaying after the fact. It’s not the end of the world.

 

[fnordcircle]

There's little saved by cutting him, and no developmental player as a replacement.

If they can't get something in a trade, why not keep him unless he's a problem.

I feel like every year a certain subset of fans get obsessed with ****canning this or that player.