Hollins As A Special Teamer

[TommyD4207]

Eason was light years better then Mac.

Whomever was arguing that never saw Eason from 1983-1986

Scarily enough, yeah.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't mention ST play or blocking.
I did mention 25 1st downs. 5 td's. culture changer

his contract also is not going to get him a roster spot. his contract is not treating him like royalty. he is most likely a 1 and done for $3.5m....

How is Mac Hollins a culture changer? You want you culture driven by a backup WR who’s a good ball that doesn’t wear shoes in Buffalo in January?

He played 721 snaps last year. How is 25 1st downs impressive? Austin Hopper had that.

Who would you rather have sitting on the bench or inactive? A one and done or a young player who might have a future?

 

[Steve102]

He had 57/690 because he played 94% of the snaps. That stinks.

Yes it stinks.

Would you want our 3rd best Wr from last year?

I want culture guys. Football players. Smack you in the mouth types

When he as signed we didn’t have Diggs, we didn’t have Williams.

Jury's out on Williams, looks like he might be ok but we haven't seen anything yet.

We had nothing. Sign a solid pro who can block in case your other moves don’t work out. The others seem to have worked out.

Hollins is the pro who can block. He's that guy. He's Him.

 

[Ring 6]

Who?
Because that's exactly who Mack Hollins is.

That’s what I said. Then they added other players who will beat him out.

 

[TommyD4207]

That’s what I said. Then they added other players who will beat him out.

Who?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Scarily enough, yeah.

He was more than a decent QB here. He wasn't top 10 but certainly capable.

Injuries and his attitude didn't help his cause. He was lazy too.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes it stinks.

I want culture guys. Football players. Smack you in the mouth types

Jury's out on Williams, looks like he might be ok but we haven't seen anything yet.

Hollins is the pro who can block. He's that guy. He's Him.

I don’t understand how people think a fringe WR is how you build culture, or what makes you think he is a guy who can do it?

This is his 5th team in 5 years. If he is this incredible culture building leader don’t those other 4 teams care about culture?

Yes he is the guy I described, and at that time he was in the mix, but adding Diggs and Williams and Bouttes solid camp took his playing time away.

 

[Ring 6]

He was more than a decent QB here. He wasn't top 10 but certainly capable.

Injuries and his attitude didn't help his cause. He was lazy too.

He could have been a very good Qb, but he was afraid.
You can’t play QB in that era if you are scared to be hit.
He would be much better suited for today’s NFL

 

[Ring 6]

Who?

Diggs and Williams

 

[Steve102]

I don’t understand how people think a fringe WR is how you build culture, or what makes you think he is a guy who can do it?

I beleive that is why they signed him.

This is his 5th team in 5 years. If he is this incredible culture building leader don’t those other 4 teams care about culture?

I don't follow those teams so I can't speak to that. I agree his numbers are lousy. I have read reports that he's a culture guy so that's what I am basing my opinion on.

Yes he is the guy I described, and at that time he was in the mix, but adding Diggs and Williams and Bouttes solid camp took his playing time away.

Over Baker and Polk? Pass. They only reason they are even allowed on the Foxboro property is because of how bad the staff was last year. Polk is a non-factor so far in camp. Baker has helped himself by all accounts, so good for him. Chism is already on this roster in the form of Pop Douglas.

 

[TommyD4207]

I beleive that is why they signed him.

I don't follow those teams so I can't speak to that. I agree his numbers are lousy. I have read reports that he's a culture guy so that's what I am basing my opinion on.

Over Baker and Polk? Pass. They only reason they are even allowed on the Foxboro property is because of how bad the staff was last year. Polk is a non-factor so far in camp. Baker has helped himself by all accounts, so good for him. Chism is already on this roster in the form of Pop Douglas.

That's 2 posts. You know the rule.

 

[Ring 6]

I beleive that is why they signed him.

I don't follow those teams so I can't speak to that. I agree his numbers are lousy. I have read reports that he's a culture guy so that's what I am basing my opinion on.

Over Baker and Polk? Pass. They only reason they are even allowed on the Foxboro property is because of how bad the staff was last year. Polk is a non-factor so far in camp. Baker has helped himself by all accounts, so good for him. Chism is already on this roster in the form of Pop Douglas.

What kind of culture? I’ve read he’s a good ball who runs around in no shoes in Buffalo in January. Sure probably fun to hang out with but not the guy you want building your culture.
Again, if he was THAT guy he wouldn’t be on his 5th team in 5 years.


Diggs Boutte Douglas Williams are going to get the playing time. Why keep a journeyman 32 year old who may never see the field over a chance at developing a guy?

 

[mgteich]

Do you really think we keep “developmental WRs” as you call them so that we can take playing time away from the top 3 WRs?
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Not me
I apologize if I misled you.
I don't think that any of Chism, Baker or Polk would take any playing time away from the top 3 WR's (or even 4, or 5 if Hollins makes the 53), even with an injury or perhaps even two.
I would expect any of them (if they make the 53) to be inactive in every game.

 

[mgteich]

Diggs Boutte Douglas Williams are going to get the playing time. Why keep a journeyman 32 year old who may never see the field over a chance at developing a guy?

tilt
Do you think one of the "developmental" players should ever be active on Game Day?
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1) It is you who said that no developmental player would take any reps from the top 3 (I'd say 4).

2) I do NOT think that keeping a Chism or Polk or Baker is prevented by Vrabel deciding that Hollins should be active on special teams.
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DO WE AGREE THAT THESE SHOULD BE THE ACTIVE WIDE RECEIVERS (all season if there are no injuries)?
Diggs, Douglas, Boutte and Williams
AND THAT
none of Polk, Chism or Baker should ever be active?

 

[Steve102]

That's 2 posts. You know the rule.

Thanks for the reminder.

 

[Ring 6]

So the argument is we should keep Hollins because

He plays 20% of special teams snaps and has 7 sts tackles in the last 3 years and because we need a guy who is in his 5th team in 5 years to rescue our culture because if we don’t have him who will lead us?

Hey if they think he’s a much better blocker than the other WRs and want to give him a small role doing that, fine, they could put him out there in special teams a bit too, but the 2 arguments prevalent here, are wrong. He is not a prime special teamer and he is not a locker room leader who will dictate the culture of the team, if he were some team would have recognized that and kept him around.

FYI for the record last year he played 721 snaps and caught 31 passes, 1 per every 23.25. For his career it’s 3420 and 162, or 1 in every 21.1.

As a comparison Tyquan Thornton in his career has 39 catches in 863 snaps or 1 per 22.1
Neal Harry had 64 in 1329 or 1 per 20.8.
Last years prize, Osborne had 158 in 2468 or 1 per 15.6.

Do we want any of these guys, all much younger btw, back?

 

[Patjew]

I keep reading that he is a "culture changer." What does that mean? I know he seems like a fun oddball. Is he a good locker room presence?

Add me to the club that prefers keeping him over P&B.

 

[Pape]

You read better than this.

1) We have not had 4 WR's all with over 32 catches for 10 years.

yes, we have

2) Do you disagree? BTW, I think this year may indeed be the year, with both Boutte and Williams getting over 32 catches.

i do disagree. 2018 was the last year for the WR's to achieve that feat... and if you are counting tight ends, it was last year.

3) I support keeping one of Baker, Polk or Chism on the 53. I do NOT expect any of them to get over 32 catches. Absent 2 injuries I wouldn't expect any of them to be active.

Diggs, Boutte, Douglas, Williams, Chism. Polk and Baker can go to the practice squad

4) I see the top 9 receivers as
Diggs
Henry
Douglas
Henderson
Boutte
Williams
Hooper
Gibson or Stevenson
Hollins

 

[Triumph]

I agree that Hollins is not a long-term solution to our WR problem. No one ever said that he was. He is year by year and has a 2-year contract with no 2026 guaranteed money. I think that he is reasonably priced asset to the team.
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Perhaps our 2025, 2026 and 2027 top receivers will be Diggs, Henry, Douglas, Williams, Henderson and Boutte. Is that a reasonable FOUR wide receivers for the future?

Obviously, we might add another top receiver in addition to Diggs. If there is injury, someone might be replaced.
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Does the future solution require more than these four, augmented by another top receiver if possible?

Hollins started 16 games in Vegas for JM.

I believe that playing time will be earned for the youth.

 

[Ring 6]

tilt
Do you think one of the "developmental" players should ever be active on Game Day?
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1) It is you who said that no developmental player would take any reps from the top 3 (I'd say 4).

2) I do NOT think that keeping a Chism or Polk or Baker is prevented by Vrabel deciding that Hollins should be active on special teams.
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DO WE AGREE THAT THESE SHOULD BE THE ACTIVE WIDE RECEIVERS (all season if there are no injuries)?
Diggs, Douglas, Boutte and Williams
AND THAT
none of Polk, Chism or Baker should ever be active?

“Developmental” needs to be defined to answer. To me developmental means a young guy with promise who you aren’t ready to rely on but wouldn’t be unwilling to put in a game. Any of those 3 on the field as an injury replacement aren’t going to communion their shoes, nor be a significant difference from having Hollins instead. Remember, Hollins reception per snaps played is worse than NKeal Harry.

1) I’m saying you don’t keep a guy in the promise of a potential future and our him in the rotation unless and until you need to.
2) Hollins is not a + special teams guy. I do t know where you get that from.

I have no problem with a WR5 being active say to return kicks while being there in case of injury, and getting playing time if the game goes blowout.
If you are only worried about special teams you should be pimping Chidm not Hollins. Chism needs to be Steve tasker to make the team not Wes Welker.