Who took the bigger risk (for the Patriots)?

[Actual Pats Fan]

I'm going to say they both took risks. I don't know if it was actually 50/50 but that's what I'll say.

Some additional stuff on this from today's thing:

Patriots Daily Notebook 7/16: Belichick Lashes Back at Kraft's Comments, New Patriots Trailer Dropped | PatsFans.com

When it comes to New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and former head coach Bill Belichick, it feels like there's been no shortage of drama between the two over the last year. And it continues.

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Belichick made it sound like the Jets were the less risky option:

But his comments after that didn't sound like they were a better situation:




And as for Kraft being worried:


The above is from February of 2000:

Morning News and Notes 2/24 | PatsFans.com

Going to a Patriots game will cost fans a little more after the Patriots announced that ticket prices will be increasing about 20%. Robert Kraft explained the move in a letter to season ticket holders.

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He did take a lot of heat from the media locally, especially both during and after that first 5-11 season (they lost four-straight twice and got swept by the Jets that year), but this was well before talk radio or social media. Still, you have to give Kraft credit for giving Belichick time to weed out the wrong guys and bring in the right ones. If he pulled the plug early, we would have missed out significantly.

Bob WANTED Bill.

Bill WANTED to coach the Patriots.

It wound up taking serious work by Bob to get it done for which Bill expressed gratitude in his introductory press conference.

This worked out.

No blathering by either of them will ever change that.

 

[Tunescribe]

Killing a guy while wearing a white suit is pretty damn risky.

Otherwise, this ongoing pissing match between BB and RK is nothing short of childish.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Two grown old men acting like little b’s. Appreciate them both but got to laugh at the silliness of it all.

 

[signbabybrady]

Two grown old men acting like little b’s. Appreciate them both but got to laugh at the silliness of it all.

Should have never fired Bill. He deserved better.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Kraft took the bigger chance because of the draft picks he parted with to get Belichick, and the full control of the organization he turned over to Belichick. Belichick desperately wanted out of the Jets because he didn’t want the Tuna picking the players for him. Belichick got everything he wanted and demanded, out of the Tuna’s control, and full control of the Patriots. Had Belichick failed Kraft would have been torched for giving away those picks. That said it was the best decision Kraft ever made.

 

[rkarp1]

Kraft took the bigger chance because of the draft picks he parted with to get Belichick, and the full control of the organization he turned over to Belichick. Belichick desperately wanted out of the Jets because he didn’t want the Tuna picking the players for him. Belichick got everything he wanted and demanded, out of the Tuna’s control, and full control of the Patriots. Had Belichick failed Kraft would have been torched for giving away those picks. That said it was the best decision Kraft ever made.

true.
and lets face facts. at that point in time, Bill was a very good DC, probably the best in the league, but a failure as a HC and an unknown as a dir of football op's. yet RK gave him complete control

 

[Grogan14]

Bob Kraft was the owner of an NFL franchise.
If it weren’t for him there would not be a New England franchise. They would be the St. Louis Patriots. That is fact

The risk Kraft took affects the entire franchise
The risk BB took only affects one person BB

BB and Kraft were not on an equal level
Kraft’s risk was bigger

 

[XLIX]

Belichick would have taken a bigger risk staying with the Jets, under the thumb of (not hands off) GM Bill Parcells and with an ownership looking to sell the team. You can say Kraft threw him a lifeline.

I agree with the above. Belichick wanted out from Parcells’ shadow and there weren’t exactly any other offers out there.

 

[rkarp1]

I agree with the above. Belichick wanted out from Parcells’ shadow and there weren’t exactly any other offers out there.

and the Jets had new ownership coming and they may have wanted their own people running the show, not Parcells/BB...

 

[XLIX]

None huh?

Not the Raiders, not the Jets?

Back in the 90s Belichick was very highly sought after and highly thought of, no matter his Browns experience. That whole thing went south with what Modell pulled, and Belichick was right about Kosar. The rest of the league knew about the quality. Between his year in New England and his years with the Jets, it was clear he was the same guy that got the Giants D clicking all those years.

This is revisionist history. In 2000, nobody - nobody - showed any interest in Belichick besides the Patriots and the Jets job he inherited.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is revisionist history. In 2000, nobody - nobody - showed any interest in Belichick besides the Patriots and the Jets job he inherited.

Quick Google shows the Raiders did in fact interview him in the late 90s. But don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.

 

[rkarp1]

This is revisionist history. In 2000, nobody - nobody - showed any interest in Belichick besides the Patriots and the Jets job he inherited.

yeah, at that time the Raiders had Gruden, right? he went to 2 AFCCG in a row, losing to the Pats that 2nd time (Brady's first year replacing Drew)

 

[signbabybrady]

yeah, at that time the Raiders had Gruden, right? he went to 2 AFCCG in a row, losing to the Pats that 2nd time (Brady's first year replacing Drew)

This was the same off-season they ended up hiring Gruden.

Belichick relishes talks with Raiders owner after '98 season

 

[203Pat]

Bob WANTED Bill.

Bill WANTED to coach the Patriots.

It wound up taking serious work by Bob to get it done for which Bill expressed gratitude in his introductory press conference.

This worked out.

No blathering by either of them will ever change that.

This is really what it all boils down to. These two egomaniacs airing petty grievances doesn't change the fact that they both wanted the same thing at the same time. Kraft was willing to give up a first-round pick for Bill as well as handing him the keys to the kingdom in regards to personnel, and Bill was willing to nearly kill a relationship with his mentor and resign on a napkin right before his introductory press conference as the Jets’ new head coach.

I am sure Kraft wanted to stick it to Parcells and the Jets for the way Parcells left here and the whole Curtis Martin fiasco. I am sure that Bill wanted to get out from Parcells' shadow and not work for a bad owner (which he now insinuates was a potential obstacle here), but either way, both men really wanted Bill Belichick to coach the New England Patriots in 2000.

 

[Clonamery]

true.
and lets face facts. at that point in time, Bill was a very good DC, probably the best in the league, but a failure as a HC and an unknown as a dir of football op's. yet RK gave him complete control

Failure as a HC if you're a Modell butt boy. Ridicu****ingless.

 

[Grogan14]

Should have never fired Bill. He deserved better.

Wrong. He checked out in 2020. Every year the team got worse. Have to take accountability for that.
Mistake was hiring Mayo.

 

[rkarp1]

Failure as a HC if you're a Modell butt boy. Ridicu****ingless.

5-11 is not a failure?
5-11 is Modell's fault?

 

[signbabybrady]

Wrong. He checked out in 2020. Every year the team got worse. Have to take accountability for that.
Mistake was hiring Mayo.

In the land of make believe

 

[bresna]

Why isn't Mark Henderson listed?

 

[Grogan14]

In the land of make believe

No post Brady plan. 24 year old girlfriend in 21, gm mistakes, team getting worse every year… to say he should not have been fired is crazy. There were also lots of coaching errors in his last 3 years. He drafted Mac then ruined him by hiring Matt P.
Bill earned his firing.