Post Your Way too Early Season Predictions For Maye/Receivers

[JoeSixPat]

Don’t forget OROY.

Everyone is thinking "that's not good enough for MVP?" but they are forgetting that Maye will take that

 

[JoeSixPat]

I think Maye makes a huge step forward but it won't be reflected in his numbers. Yes the schedule looks easy, and yes the guys around him have been upgraded to at least competent, but that's from one of the worst offenses in the NFL. You don't go from one of the worst to one of the best in one season. Lots of rookies, new guys, and a new offensive system is going to take time to gel and I feel hopeful for league average. That gel time and Maye still playing a little too much hero ball leads to more INTs then most people have been predicting. Honestly anything close to 2 TDs to every Int is damn good. 3 or 4 to 1 is Elite. These numbers are give or take like 70 catches for Diggs could be 67 or 74 but around 70 is what I think he will get.

Maye 340/500 68% 3600 yards 30 TDs 15 INTs
Diggs 70 catches 800 yards 6 TD
Williams 35 catches 450 yards 4 TD
Pop 75 catches 700 yards 2 TD
Henry 50 catches 500 yards 8 TD
Hooper 40 catches 400 yards 4 TD
Henderson 30 catches 250 yards 2 TD
Boutte 20 catches 300 yards 4 TD
Hollins/Stevenson/Gibs 20 catches 200 yards (not each, combined but didn't want to break it down, basically each get a catch here or there for average yardage)

Right - and I'm just guessing that they'll probably go a bit conservative to start the season using the run to set up the pass, especially as the new OL is getting seasoned.

All the more reason for them to spread the ball around all the more

Diggs and TEs will lead the way but I'll be happy to see receptions spread around to anything like this

While I know most fans want to see seasons like the historic 2007 season where just TWO guys combined for over 200 receptions and 30 TDs (not to mention over 50% of the targets) a strategy to spread the ball and use the run to set up the pass will help address many inadequacies. 2007 New England Patriots Rosters, Stats, Schedule, Team Draftees | Pro-Football-Reference.com

While I'd love to see them stretch the field, that too is going to come down to the OL, and I'd expect to see a pretty simple short to mid-field game to start the season as well, knowing that they'll want to get the ball out of his hands relatively quickly

I'm not saying the OL will be bad - just that I'm not expecting them to start the season keeping him safe for a lot of deep pass plays

 

[Ring 6]

Vrabel said he wants to be good and win the LOS. That is running the ball and stopping it on defense. We have 3 solid backs in rham, Gibson and Henderson.

All 3 provide different looks to a defensive front and have different skill sets. Getting 4 yards on 1st down and trying to stay out of 3rd and long will go a long way to being a top offense. The difference here is Drake is a dual threat QB, defenses have to worry about him taking off on 3rd and short or 3rd and 5 as he's shown he can do that.

Good offenses don't see 3rd down much. They are constantly in 1st and 2nd downs as they can hit big plays often.

You are contradicting yourself.

First Vrabel saying he “wants to be good and win the LOS” is a cliche are surely doesn’t have any indication he wants to run the ball a lot of give up on trying to gain chunks in first and second down in favor of playing conservative small ball and running an offense that requires 6 3rd down conversions to score a TD.
Your second paragraph endorses such an offense which is never a top offense.
Your 3rd paragraph says the exact opposite.

You aren’t making any sense to me.

 

[Ring 6]

I think Maye makes a huge step forward but it won't be reflected in his numbers. Yes the schedule looks easy, and yes the guys around him have been upgraded to at least competent, but that's from one of the worst offenses in the NFL. You don't go from one of the worst to one of the best in one season. Lots of rookies, new guys, and a new offensive system is going to take time to gel and I feel hopeful for league average. That gel time and Maye still playing a little too much hero ball leads to more INTs then most people have been predicting. Honestly anything close to 2 TDs to every Int is damn good. 3 or 4 to 1 is Elite. These numbers are give or take like 70 catches for Diggs could be 67 or 74 but around 70 is what I think he will get.

Maye 340/500 68% 3600 yards 30 TDs 15 INTs
Diggs 70 catches 800 yards 6 TD
Williams 35 catches 450 yards 4 TD
Pop 75 catches 700 yards 2 TD
Henry 50 catches 500 yards 8 TD
Hooper 40 catches 400 yards 4 TD
Henderson 30 catches 250 yards 2 TD
Boutte 20 catches 300 yards 4 TD
Hollins/Stevenson/Gibs 20 catches 200 yards (not each, combined but didn't want to break it down, basically each get a catch here or there for average yardage)

If you add:
Starting LT, RT, LG, C
At least 3 WRs
A dynamic RB
A dramatically improved coaching staff
and your rookie Qb becomes a 2nd year QB why would what you were last year have anything to do with what you are this year?

Are you saying Onwenu, and Hunter Henry are so bad that you can’t improve by changing the other 9 guys?

You really think Douglas catches more passes than Diggs?

 

[pazrul72]

If you add:
Starting LT, RT, LG, C
At least 3 WRs
A dynamic RB
A dramatically improved coaching staff
and your rookie Qb becomes a 2nd year QB why would what you were last year have anything to do with what you are this year?

Are you saying Onwenu, and Hunter Henry are so bad that you can’t improve by changing the other 9 guys?

You really think Douglas catches more passes than Diggs?

Last year established the starting point of this offense. They didn't add that to the 2007 to make it even better, they filled in massive holes that were abused on a weekly basis with guys who should be at least ok. They didn't add all pros or pro bowlers just guys that shouldn't be ranked in the 30's at their position. Add Prime Moss, Gronk, and Orlando Pace to this offense and my numbers would be far higher.

Campbell has a potential wingspan issue, Moses is old as dirt and eh at best, Strange was here last year, David Andrews to the guy from Minn is a lateral move at most. Diggs is 31 and coming back from an injury that typically takes 18 months to fully recover from, Hollins is a big bodied blocking WR jag, check out how many 3rd round WRs put up even the modest numbers I predicted for Williams if Polk or Baker had that last year Williams probably isn't even here. I loved the Henderson pick and think his pass protection will be a great addition but calling him dynamic is way over selling a rookie's potential. I see him in the Kevin Faulk role where 20 of those 30 catches go for first downs but to outside observers that just check the box score they are going to call him a bad pick.

Now don't get me wrong I very much liked what they did this off-season. Add to the floor so there isn't a position on the team that is a glaring weakness but expecting every single one of those to work out, just isn't what NFL history shows us will happen. Maybe half of them will.

For my diggs and pop prediction I am looking a position and type of routes they will be running, so yes I do expect pop to catch more passes for less yards and less TDs because as a slot running 0-10 yard routes I would hope for an 80% completion rate. Versus Diggs running the 5-18 yard routes might haul in passes at a 65% rate but for more yards and bigger plays.

 

[Ring 6]

Last year established the starting point of this offense. They didn't add that to the 2007 to make it even better, they filled in massive holes that were abused on a weekly basis with guys who should be at least ok. They didn't add all pros or pro bowlers just guys that shouldn't be ranked in the 30's at their position. Add Prime Moss, Gronk, and Orlando Pace to this offense and my numbers would be far higher.

Campbell has a potential wingspan issue, Moses is old as dirt and eh at best, Strange was here last year, David Andrews to the guy from Minn is a lateral move at most. Diggs is 31 and coming back from an injury that typically takes 18 months to fully recover from, Hollins is a big bodied blocking WR jag, check out how many 3rd round WRs put up even the modest numbers I predicted for Williams if Polk or Baker had that last year Williams probably isn't even here. I loved the Henderson pick and think his pass protection will be a great addition but calling him dynamic is way over selling a rookie's potential. I see him in the Kevin Faulk role where 20 of those 30 catches go for first downs but to outside observers that just check the box score they are going to call him a bad pick.

Now don't get me wrong I very much liked what they did this off-season. Add to the floor so there isn't a position on the team that is a glaring weakness but expecting every single one of those to work out, just isn't what NFL history shows us will happen. Maybe half of them will.

For my diggs and pop prediction I am looking a position and type of routes they will be running, so yes I do expect pop to catch more passes for less yards and less TDs because as a slot running 0-10 yard routes I would hope for an 80% completion rate. Versus Diggs running the 5-18 yard routes might haul in passes at a 65% rate but for more yards and bigger plays.

Last year has nothing to do with this years offense. Improvement does not require adding Hall of Famers
This team is its own team, it bears no hangover from last year. They start fresh, not with a foot in a hole.

Ironically you seem to accept that so you proceed to try and trash the players. Wingspan, Jesus.

What they do this year will have absolutely nothing to do with last year.

 

[Real fan 02]

You are contradicting yourself.

First Vrabel saying he “wants to be good and win the LOS” is a cliche are surely doesn’t have any indication he wants to run the ball a lot of give up on trying to gain chunks in first and second down in favor of playing conservative small ball and running an offense that requires 6 3rd down conversions to score a TD.
Your second paragraph endorses such an offense which is never a top offense.
Your 3rd paragraph says the exact opposite.

You aren’t making any sense to me.

Your too emotional with your post. Once again I'll prove you wrong. Your illogical post was again dissected by our very own forum.

 

[Ring 6]

Your too emotional with your post. Once again I'll prove you wrong. Your illogical post was again dissected by our very own forum.

What are you talking about? We don’t have Derrick Henry.

Show me where he said he wants the goal of the offense to be 3rd and short rather than big plays.

 

[pazrul72]

Last year has nothing to do with this years offense. Improvement does not require adding Hall of Famers
This team is its own team, it bears no hangover from last year. They start fresh, not with a foot in a hole.

Ironically you seem to accept that so you proceed to try and trash the players. Wingspan, Jesus.

What they do this year will have absolutely nothing to do with last year.

No hangover you say? They replaced all 11 starters and every back up? This offense has had a talent issue for going on 4 years now, lousy blocking in both the run and the pass which leads to receivers getting **** for separation. Yes they are getting a fresh start and I hope they take full advantage of it but guys like Owenu, Henry, Rham, Strange, Moses, Bradberry, and Hooper are pretty much known quantities. None of them are going to suddenly be All pros or probowlers due to a fresh start. They are average (ish) starters, which don't get me wrong I fully understand you need about 50% of your starters to be otherwise you can't afford them, but that's what I mean by last years offense is the starting point. The guys they added are not going to turn one of the worst offenses in the league into one of the best. Too many holes and not enough worthwhile FA's in positions of need.

I didn't trash the players, at no point did I say they suck, they are garbage, they shouldn't even be on the field *cough* Jacobs *cough* Newhouse *cough*. I merely pointed out that each of them have question marks on if they will pan out and be what we need them to be. Some of them have bigger question marks then others. Like Diggs for instance, fully healed bought in and is the center of the offense, could be a probowler again 1k yards 10 TD kind of impact. That knee injury lingers and like the vast majority of players who get the surgery he had it won't be until next year that he gets his burst back and fully trusts the knee to cut like he used to. That's not trashing him, I'm sure he is working as hard as he can to get back, its bringing up the real possibility he might be part of the 50% that won't work out.

I already went into the reasons Campbell's wingspan is concerning with you and you dismissed it as "I've done my research, I have my opinion, nothing you have said will change that" so I won't waste my time pointing it out again. There is a reason unlike Alt last year Campbell was not a no brainer rush to the podium top 5 pick. LOVE his athleticism and I am rooting for him to prove me very wrong but having watched his tape I think guys at the NFL level are going to give him fits on outside speed rushes with an inside counter move. Still should be better then Lowe though.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think Maye makes a huge step forward but it won't be reflected in his numbers. Yes the schedule looks easy, and yes the guys around him have been upgraded to at least competent, but that's from one of the worst offenses in the NFL. You don't go from one of the worst to one of the best in one season. Lots of rookies, new guys, and a new offensive system is going to take time to gel and I feel hopeful for league average. That gel time and Maye still playing a little too much hero ball leads to more INTs then most people have been predicting. Honestly anything close to 2 TDs to every Int is damn good. 3 or 4 to 1 is Elite. These numbers are give or take like 70 catches for Diggs could be 67 or 74 but around 70 is what I think he will get.

Maye 340/500 68% 3600 yards 30 TDs 15 INTs
Diggs 70 catches 800 yards 6 TD
Williams 35 catches 450 yards 4 TD
Pop 75 catches 700 yards 2 TD
Henry 50 catches 500 yards 8 TD
Hooper 40 catches 400 yards 4 TD
Henderson 30 catches 250 yards 2 TD
Boutte 20 catches 300 yards 4 TD
Hollins/Stevenson/Gibs 20 catches 200 yards (not each, combined but didn't want to break it down, basically each get a catch here or there for average yardage)

So you don’t think Chism is making this team?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Everyone is thinking "that's not good enough for MVP?" but they are forgetting that Maye will take that

It will be a clean sweep. Chism OROY, Farmer DROY, Maye MVP

 

[pazrul72]

So you don’t think Chism is making this team?

Practice squad for now until I see it in pads. There is a reason he was undrafted

 

[Huckleberry1]

No hangover you say? They replaced all 11 starters and every back up? This offense has had a talent issue for going on 4 years now, lousy blocking in both the run and the pass which leads to receivers getting **** for separation. Yes they are getting a fresh start and I hope they take full advantage of it but guys like Owenu, Henry, Rham, Strange, Moses, Bradberry, and Hooper are pretty much known quantities. None of them are going to suddenly be All pros or probowlers due to a fresh start. They are average (ish) starters, which don't get me wrong I fully understand you need about 50% of your starters to be otherwise you can't afford them, but that's what I mean by last years offense is the starting point. The guys they added are not going to turn one of the worst offenses in the league into one of the best. Too many holes and not enough worthwhile FA's in positions of need.

I didn't trash the players, at no point did I say they suck, they are garbage, they shouldn't even be on the field *cough* Jacobs *cough* Newhouse *cough*. I merely pointed out that each of them have question marks on if they will pan out and be what we need them to be. Some of them have bigger question marks then others. Like Diggs for instance, fully healed bought in and is the center of the offense, could be a probowler again 1k yards 10 TD kind of impact. That knee injury lingers and like the vast majority of players who get the surgery he had it won't be until next year that he gets his burst back and fully trusts the knee to cut like he used to. That's not trashing him, I'm sure he is working as hard as he can to get back, its bringing up the real possibility he might be part of the 50% that won't work out.

I already went into the reasons Campbell's wingspan is concerning with you and you dismissed it as "I've done my research, I have my opinion, nothing you have said will change that" so I won't waste my time pointing it out again. There is a reason unlike Alt last year Campbell was not a no brainer rush to the podium top 5 pick. LOVE his athleticism and I am rooting for him to prove me very wrong but having watched his tape I think guys at the NFL level are going to give him fits on outside speed rushes with an inside counter move. Still should be better then Lowe though.

I think you’re wrong on Campbell because he’s not only an exceptional athlete with more than enough size for the position, but he’s also known to be extremely hardworking and coachable. So any technique issues he had in college will go away as a pro. And I have seen more than enough players who weren’t perfect fits with the metrics, but end up great pros because of all of their attributes, hard work, and football sense. That said they also need him to pan out, because next year’s left tackle class is once again weak, and free agency will be devoid at the position as well.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Practice squad for now until I see it in pads. There is a reason he was undrafted

He won’t make it to the practice squad, if they release him he’s gone. No way do they release him. And even though I put out a very reasonable bet, 1 year of Patsfan.com supporter membership if he doesn’t make the 53, not one member took me up on it.

 

[Ring 6]

No hangover you say? They replaced all 11 starters and every back up? This offense has had a talent issue for going on 4 years now, lousy blocking in both the run and the pass which leads to receivers getting **** for separation. Yes they are getting a fresh start and I hope they take full advantage of it but guys like Owenu, Henry, Rham, Strange, Moses, Bradberry, and Hooper are pretty much known quantities. None of them are going to suddenly be All pros or probowlers due to a fresh start. They are average (ish) starters, which don't get me wrong I fully understand you need about 50% of your starters to be otherwise you can't afford them, but that's what I mean by last years offense is the starting point. The guys they added are not going to turn one of the worst offenses in the league into one of the best. Too many holes and not enough worthwhile FA's in positions of need.

I didn't trash the players, at no point did I say they suck, they are garbage, they shouldn't even be on the field *cough* Jacobs *cough* Newhouse *cough*. I merely pointed out that each of them have question marks on if they will pan out and be what we need them to be. Some of them have bigger question marks then others. Like Diggs for instance, fully healed bought in and is the center of the offense, could be a probowler again 1k yards 10 TD kind of impact. That knee injury lingers and like the vast majority of players who get the surgery he had it won't be until next year that he gets his burst back and fully trusts the knee to cut like he used to. That's not trashing him, I'm sure he is working as hard as he can to get back, its bringing up the real possibility he might be part of the 50% that won't work out.

I already went into the reasons Campbell's wingspan is concerning with you and you dismissed it as "I've done my research, I have my opinion, nothing you have said will change that" so I won't waste my time pointing it out again. There is a reason unlike Alt last year Campbell was not a no brainer rush to the podium top 5 pick. LOVE his athleticism and I am rooting for him to prove me very wrong but having watched his tape I think guys at the NFL level are going to give him fits on outside speed rushes with an inside counter move. Still should be better then Lowe though.

They have replaced the majority of the starters. Unless you think Onwenu and Henry equal doomed for life what happens last year is meaningless.

The players who were here for 4 years have mostly been replaced. It’s conceivable that the top 3 or even 4 WRs may be new. Do you think LAcK of SepppARaTiOn is in the water in Foxboro?

None have to turn into all pros to be an effective, good offense.

Yes you trashed Campbell over the stupid arm length issue and calls Moses old as dirt, or something to that effect. Was that praise? Then you tried to explain that strange for 2 games is the same as 17, and seem to forget Andrews missed the bulk of the season and we played a practice squad claim.

You didn’t give any legitimate reasons for why wingspan matters and I never said anything close to Ive done my research, I have my opinion, nothing you have said will change that"

In fact what I consistently said was tell me what a LT sits in a football field that is negatively impacted by how far his arms stretch horizontally. No ind has yet to answer that, you included.

He as drafted 4th, your fantasizing about “how 4th” he was is silly and unproductive.

 

[Ring 6]

I think you’re wrong on Campbell because he’s not only an exceptional athlete with more than enough size for the position, but he’s also known to be extremely hardworking and coachable. So any technique issues he had in college will go away as a pro. And I have seen more than enough players who weren’t perfect fits with the metrics, but end up great pros because of all of their attributes, hard work, and football sense. That said they also need him to pan out, because next year’s left tackle class is once again weak, and free agency will be devoid at the position as well.

WiNGzzzzzzzPaN arrrrrrrrrrrrgh

 

[Real fan 02]

Right - and I'm just guessing that they'll probably go a bit conservative to start the season using the run to set up the pass, especially as the new OL is getting seasoned.

All the more reason for them to spread the ball around all the more

Diggs and TEs will lead the way but I'll be happy to see receptions spread around to anything like this

While I know most fans want to see seasons like the historic 2007 season where just TWO guys combined for over 200 receptions and 30 TDs (not to mention over 50% of the targets) a strategy to spread the ball and use the run to set up the pass will help address many inadequacies. 2007 New England Patriots Rosters, Stats, Schedule, Team Draftees | Pro-Football-Reference.com

While I'd love to see them stretch the field, that too is going to come down to the OL, and I'd expect to see a pretty simple short to mid-field game to start the season as well, knowing that they'll want to get the ball out of his hands relatively quickly

I'm not saying the OL will be bad - just that I'm not expecting them to start the season keeping him safe for a lot of deep pass plays

Bills' Josh Allen Praises 'Super Talented' Patriots' Drake Maye

Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen had high praise for New England Patriots quarterback Drake Maye.

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[BUSTAMOVE]

Diggs numbers just when up

 

[PP2]

It will be a clean sweep. Chism OROY, Farmer DROY, Maye MVP

You forgot Vrabel, COTY.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You forgot Vrabel, COTY.

My mistake, and Wolf EOY.