Alex Barth's post-OTAs "way too early" roster projection

[Wozzy]

Start with the obvious… Harold Landry is starting at OLB on just about any roster in the NFL. The guy is a stud.

Beyond that competition will sort out the rest, Jennings has to stand out and show he belongs. Vrabel can probably help him become a better pass rusher. They’ve brought in two really talented rookies though, younger, cheaper.

OTA’s don’t mean much, it ain’t football until the pads come on.

 

[Real fan 02]

If Vrabel agrees, he’ll make the 53.

Definitely, as I've mentioned we can't just get rid of all our players drafted previously. Jennings is a guy who actually worked out from the 2020 draft.

Depth is of the utmost importance for this team. With a week 14 bye this season we will need to have a nice rotation to keep guys fresher down the stretch.

 

[Real fan 02]

Start with the obvious… Harold Landry is starting at OLB on just about any roster in the NFL. The guy is a stud.

Beyond competition will sort out the rest, Jennings has to stand out and show he belongs. Vrabel can probably help him become a better pass rusher. They’ve brought in two really talented rookies though, younger, cheaper.

OTA’s don’t mean much, it ain’t football until the pads come on.

Agreed. Jennings started to show some semblance of potential as a rusher. Id expect Vrabel and Williams to help his game in that area. The thing with this team is we have studs at every level.

The defensive line Williams, Barmore, farmer, white.

LBs Landry, Spillane, Ellis and Jennings,Swinson. If Chaisson can show something excellent

For example the secondary. A healthy and rejuvenated peppers and Dugger, Woodson as the deep safety. All pro gonzo and his partner in Davis.

 

[Real fan 02]

If Vrabel agrees, he’ll make the 53.

I agree:

 

[Water Boy]

Starting an updated Roster Prediction thread. Please merge if necessary (Thanks for merging mods, I didn't see this thread in the search)

QB (2) Drake Maye, Joshua Dobbs
RB (5) Rhamondre Stevenson, TreVeyon Henderson, Antonio Gibson, Lan Larison, Brock Lampe
TE (2) Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper
WR (6) Stefon Diggs, Demario Douglas, Mack Hollins, Kyle Williams, Kendrick Bourne, Efton Chism III
C (2) Garrett Bradbury, Jared Wilson
G (4) Mike Onwenu, Cole Strange, Sidy Sow, Jack Conley
T (4) Will Campbell, Morgan Moses, Vederian Lowe, Caedan Wallace
DE (2) Keion White, Milton Williams
DT (4) Christian Barmore, Joshua Farmer, Khyiris Tonga, Jeremiah Pharms Jr.
ILB (4) Jahlani Tavai, Robert Spillane, Jack Gibbens, Christian Elliss
OLB (3) Harold Landry, Bradyn Swinson, K’Lavon Chaisson
CB (6) Christian Gonzalez, Carlton Davis, Marcus Jones, Alex Austin, Isaiah Bolden, Marcellas Dial Jr.
SS (2) Kyle Dugger, Dell Pettus
FS (3) Jabrill Peppers, Craig Woodson, Jaylinn Hawkins
ST (4) Bryce Baringer, Julian Ashby, Brenden Schooler, Andres Borregales

Total Players: 53

I have Boutte as a trade candidate. I heard reports that JMCD is looking forward to working with Bourne. I think we cary 6 WR. Injuries might play a factor. I'm not advocating ditching Boutte, but there are 6 spots for 7 players. Efton is a roster lock IMO.

Per Barth and Lazar it makes sense to carry 2 TE and call up a 3rd as needed incase of injury or game plan needs.

Lampe is a lock in this offense.

Larison's special teams ability buys him a roster spot.

Jennings isn't a fit on this defense. He hasn't gotten much attention this off season.

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[TheRainMaker]

I don’t get the obsession with kicking Boutte off the roster. He was the 2nd leading WR on the team who had the most plays over 20 yards among other things I previously noted in another thread. Bourne is the one on the hot seat.

But I agree it’s the end of the line for Jennings and Mapu. I don’t see them making the team.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don’t get the obsession with kicking Boutte off the roster. He was the 2nd leading WR on the team who had the most plays over 20 yards among other things I previously noted in another thread. Bourne is the one on the hot seat.

But I agree it’s the end of the line for Jennings and Mapu. I don’t see them making the team.

Agreed. Honestly I don't get the obsession with deciding now. Diggs, Pop, and Williams are on this team then there is another 6 guys competing for 2 or 3 spots and it should be a very wide open competition and may the best few win.

Bourne, Boutte, and Hollins have some production in this league and so I'm good with any of the 3.

Chism, Polk, and Baker are still in years 1 and 2 and have some potential to break out and so I'm good with any of the 3.

Boutte is the only one with a little of column a and b so I don't understand writing him off. Doesn't mean he's the favorite either as I said I see it as wide open.

 

[captain stone]

QB (2) Drake Maye, Joshua Dobbs

RB (5) Rhamondre Stevenson, Antonio Gibson, TreVeyon Henderson, Lan Larison, FB Brock Lampe

TE (3) Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, CJ Dippre

WR (6) Mack Hollins, Demario Douglas, Kendrick Bourne, Kyle Williams, Efton Chism III, Kayshon Boutte

C (2) Garrett Bradbury, Jared Wilson
G (4) Cole Strange, Mike Onwenu, Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson
T (4) Will Campbell, Morgan Moses, Vederian Lowe, Caedan Wallace

DE (4) Keion White, Anfernee Jennings, Harold Landry, Bradyn Swinson
DT (5) Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, Khyiris Tonga, Joshua Farmer, Jaquelin Roy

ILB (2) Robert Spillane, Christian Elliss
OLB (2) K’Lavon Chaisson, Marte Mapu

CB (6) Christian Gonzalez, Marcus Jones, Carlton Davis, Alex Austin, D.J. James, Miles Battle

SS (2) Kyle Dugger, Brenden Schooler
FS (3) Jabrill Peppers, Craig Woodson, Marcus Epps

ST (3) Bryce Baringer, Julian Ashby, Andres Borregales

Diggs to PUP; but if he's really, truly ready for Opening Day, then I would drop Bourne & keep Booty though they both kinda suck.

If I could keep this many, then players 54-60 would be: Gibbens, Bell, Pettus, Ben Brown, Hawkins, Jacobs & Monty Rice... The rest? **** 'em.

 

[JohnJH]

The addition of Henderson and Larison makes the RB room arguably, the best position group on the team. I'm very high on the two additions we made.

The DL group obviously can be argued for as the best too. The lack of an elite pass rusher and Barmore questions knocks it back a touch for me.

I'm concerned about the depth at OT still. Hopefully Caeden Wallace can get a full season and prove his ability. We'll have to wait and see on Marcus Bryant.

I think you'll find that Jack Conley is a guard. He certainly was at Boston College.

I know Ourlads has Woodson listed at NCB but he's a safety. He may well get snaps at NCB but that's not his true position. In fact, Wolf specifically talked about his communication skills being important which suggests he's more likely to play back at safety.

It's a much more exciting roster today than it was in February.

Bryant as ST/Future RT? Conley as future RG? Although Conley can play all OL Positions except Center I understand. Also, Wallace was rated as a RG instead of RT as his best NFL position prior to his being drafted. Campbell, Wilson, Bryant, Conley, and Wallace are young and barring injury and with proper mindset and coaching, could be a strong young OL nucleus. Morgan Moses will be extremely beneficial in helping the young OL players. We also should keep adding young talent there in future Drafts. Onwenu will be traded or cut as soon as his cap hit becomes less painful.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Bryant as ST/Future RT? Conley as future RG? Although Conley can play all OL Positions except Center I understand. Also, Wallace was rated as a RG instead of RT as his best NFL position prior to his being drafted. Campbell, Wilson, Bryant, Conley, and Wallace are young and barring injury and with proper mindset and coaching, could be a strong young OL nucleus. Morgan Moses will be extremely beneficial in helping the young OL players. We also should keep adding young talent there in future Drafts. Onwenu will be traded or cut as soon as his cap hit becomes less painful.

Bryant is a 7th rounder and Conley is an UDFA, so I think they are trying to make the 53. It might be a bit optimistic to include them in a young nucleus.

 

[JohnJH]

Bryant is a 7th rounder and Conley is an UDFA, so I think they are trying to make the 53. It might be a bit optimistic to include them in a young nucleus.

Point taken. No disagreement. That being said, David Andrews was an UDFA. Onwenu was a 6th Rounder, Alaric Jackson was an UDFA and Orlando Brown Jr. was a late Round Pick, Etc.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Point taken. No disagreement. That being said, David Andrews was an UDFA. Onwenu was a 6th Rounder, Alaric Jackson was an UDFA and Orlando Brown Jr. was a late Round Pick, Etc.

Agreed. And I could list 5x to 10x more failures in the 6th round and beyond. Listing exceptions to the rule is not convincing.

 

[mgteich]

QB (2) Drake Maye, Joshua Dobbs

RB (5) Rhamondre Stevenson, Antonio Gibson, TreVeyon Henderson, Lan Larison, FB Brock Lampe

TE (3) Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, CJ Dippre

WR (6) Mack Hollins, Demario Douglas, Kendrick Bourne, Kyle Williams, Efton Chism III, Kayshon Boutte

C (2) Garrett Bradbury, Jared Wilson
G (4) Cole Strange, Mike Onwenu, Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson
T (4) Will Campbell, Morgan Moses, Vederian Lowe, Caedan Wallace

DE (4) Keion White, Anfernee Jennings, Harold Landry, Bradyn Swinson
DT (5) Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, Khyiris Tonga, Joshua Farmer, Jaquelin Roy

ILB (2) Robert Spillane, Christian Elliss
OLB (2) K’Lavon Chaisson, Marte Mapu

CB (6) Christian Gonzalez, Marcus Jones, Carlton Davis, Alex Austin, D.J. James, Miles Battle

SS (2) Kyle Dugger, Brenden Schooler
FS (3) Jabrill Peppers, Craig Woodson, Marcus Epps

ST (3) Bryce Baringer, Julian Ashby, Andres Borregales

Diggs to PUP; but if he's really, truly ready for Opening Day, then I would drop Bourne & keep Booty though they both kinda suck.

If I could keep this many, then players 54-60 would be: Gibbens, Bell, Pettus, Ben Brown, Hawkins, Jacobs & Monty Rice... The rest? **** 'em.

I'm pretty close to your picks for so early.

Obviously, we'll know much more about PUP after a couple of weeks of camp. I suspect that Hollins is more likely to go on PUP than Diggs.

OFFENSE (25)
1) I think that Diggs will make 53
2) I don't want to guess on who will be the 5 WR's (not 6) on the roster. Competition, fit and health will be critical in making the decisions.

DEFENSE (25)
Please remind me. How many defensive front players have we had in the past few years? 13 seems light by one or two.
3) I would add a DT (Pharms for now) at the expense of Mapu, but I could see Vrabel choosing Mapu for the roster instead of have both.
4) Two ILB's aren't enough. I would add Tavai and Gibbens.
5) I would cut DB's James and Battle, adding whoever Vrabel signs (or Dial). I would expect James, Battle and Bolden to have no trouble making the Practice Squad.

 

[JohnJH]

Agreed. And I could list 5x to 10x more failures in the 6th round and beyond. Listing exceptions to the rule is not convincing.

That's why they're called exceptions, and they have, do, and will continue to exist.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

That's why they're called exceptions, and they have, do, and will continue to exist.

Agree. But if you are arguing that Bryant and Conley would be exceptions to the rule, then you are arguing that they will most likely not be part of the new nucleus.

I hope Bryant makes it, we can use a surprise at tackle.

 

[Water Boy]

Start with the obvious… Harold Landry is starting at OLB on just about any roster in the NFL. The guy is a stud.

Beyond that competition will sort out the rest, Jennings has to stand out and show he belongs. Vrabel can probably help him become a better pass rusher. They’ve brought in two really talented rookies though, younger, cheaper.

OTA’s don’t mean much, it ain’t football until the pads come on.

Reports were Jennings didn't seem to have much of a role in OTAs. I don't think he's a scheme fit, but maybe they are keeping him around for insurance. Hard to see them keeping him on for a very limited role on running downs. He's the best edge setter on the roster, but I don't think there is enough roster space for him. I think they could use Tavai in that role when needed.

 

[Real fan 02]

Reports were Jennings didn't seem to have much of a role in OTAs. I don't think he's a scheme fit, but maybe they are keeping him around for insurance. Hard to see them keeping him on for a very limited role on running downs. He's the best edge setter on the roster, but I don't think there is enough roster space for him. I think they could use Tavai in that role when needed.

There's space for Jennings. Most teams don't have great depth beyond thier starting level players. With a 17 game schedule, and a week 14 bye. It's going to be of the utmost importance to have the depth up to parr. Jennings is part of the farm system a guy from the 2020 draft who actually worked out. Even if he stayed in a situational role he is useful on this roster.

 

[Wozzy]

Reports were Jennings didn't seem to have much of a role in OTAs. I don't think he's a scheme fit, but maybe they are keeping him around for insurance. Hard to see them keeping him on for a very limited role on running downs. He's the best edge setter on the roster, but I don't think there is enough roster space for him. I think they could use Tavai in that role when needed.

I mean, Landry is also a rock on the edge in contain, he is also a double digit sack guy when healthy. He’s a stud.

Jennings is getting a fresh start along with everyone else who hasn’t played for Vrabel. He needs to earn his spot, his contract reflects that. If he can play special teams, move around and play some ILB he might earn a job.

You can never have enough pass rush, Vrabel might help him unlock it. He did it at Alabama, so there’s no reason to think he can’t improve.

 

[Real fan 02]

I mean, Landry is also a rock on the edge in contain, he is also a double digit sack guy when healthy. He’s a stud.

Jennings is getting a fresh start along with everyone else who hasn’t played for Vrabel. He needs to earn his spot, his contract reflects that. If he can play special teams, move around and play some ILB he might earn a job.

You can never have enough pass rush, Vrabel might help him unlock it. He did it at Alabama, so there’s no reason to think he can’t improve.

I believe Jennings has played on STs. He has immense value here. Guys who set the edge help out the interior. When teams know they can't get outside it affects thier offensive philosophy.

Jennings is coming around as a rusher he also plays LB/DE. Vrabel and Williams are the perfect guys for him.

 

[Wozzy]

I believe Jennings has played on STs. He has immense value here. Guys who set the edge help out the interior. When teams know they can't get outside it affects thier offensive philosophy.

Jennings is coming around as a rusher he also plays LB/DE. Vrabel and Williams are the perfect guys for him.

He played a lot of special teams three years ago when he wasn’t a full time starter. Last year he ranked third in defensive snaps so he played a lot less ST’s. I think Jennings is a solid add the roster, even if he doesn’t start.