The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

 

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[sb1]

It is amazing how much facts trigger some people. To some people, both jokes and facts are lies but lies are facts.

I have had enough of that dipshit and his lies. He is now in my ignore file. He will keep responding to every single post I make but I won't see it. You should consider doing the same.

I told him before to put me on ignore if he didn't like what I had to say and he refused. Strange.

 

[signbabybrady]

I told him before to put me on ignore if he didn't like what I had to say and he refused. Strange.

I try not to ignore stupid instead I try to teach them something useful.

And you told me before you put me on ignore yet you still repeat the same stuff on my posts. Strange.

 

[XLIX]

I recently saw that he/she feels that 6 SBs by a HC is the same as 7 for a QB. That's a startling position.

I remember having a discussion with him/her about Bill before. He/she felt that all great HCs struggle without their top QBs. So I checked the numbers for all relevant HCs by taking out their elite QB or QBs to see how many losing seasons they had without them.

This is a particularly interesting discussing for Shula.

Shula's best QB is Marino, but he didn't win his championships with Marino. So take away his best QB and he still has his Super Bowls.

 

[XLIX]

I told him before to put me on ignore if he didn't like what I had to say and he refused. Strange.

Just be sure you don't tell any jokes, or that's going to make you a liar.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is a particularly interesting discussing for Shula.

Shula's best QB is Marino, but he didn't win his championships with Marino. So take away his best QB and he still has his Super Bowls.

Got it you're a big Shula fan

 

[XLIX]

 

[lancerman]

I recently saw that he/she feels that 6 SBs by a HC is the same as 7 for a QB. That's a startling position.

I remember having a discussion with him/her about Bill before. He/she felt that all great HCs struggle without their top QBs. So I checked the numbers for all relevant HCs by taking out their elite QB or QBs to see how many losing seasons they had without them.

I took out Unitas and Marino for Shula and both McNabb and Mahomes for Reid. I also took out Ben for Tomlin, Manning for Dungy, Dawson for Stram, Wilson for Carroll and Bradshaw for Noll. What I found shocked me and is in the below list. You'll need to scroll down to the bottom to see Bill.

Non	Losing
HC	QB	Seas	L	%
Don	Shula	5	0	0
Mike	Tomlin	5	0	0
John	Harbaugh	11	1	91
Andy	Reid	8	1	125
Joe	Gibbs	7	1	143
Tony	Dungy	6	1	167
Bill	Cowher	11	3	273
Mike	Ditka	7	2	286
Doug	Pederson	7	2	286
Hank	Stram	3	1	333
Bill	Parcells	11	4	364
Pete	Carroll	8	3	375
Chuck	Noll	9	4	444
Bill	Belichick	11	8	730

Yup. People might hate to admit it, but Bill's a total outlier when it comes to being a completely different coach without his megastar QB.

It's not cherry picking either, Bill has by far the largest sample size to have a chance to even things out from one bad year, he has twice the amount of losing seasons as anyone else.

 

[Thunderhead]

 

[XLIX]

It is just so sad that a man whose reputation was already hanging on by a thread decided to ruin what little of it was left.

 

[signbabybrady]

It is just so sad that a man whose reputation was already hanging on by a thread decided to ruin what little of it was left.

 

[XLIX]

I recently saw that he/she feels that 6 SBs by a HC is the same as 7 for a QB. That's a startling position.

I remember having a discussion with him/her about Bill before. He/she felt that all great HCs struggle without their top QBs. So I checked the numbers for all relevant HCs by taking out their elite QB or QBs to see how many losing seasons they had without them.

I took out Unitas and Marino for Shula and both McNabb and Mahomes for Reid. I also took out Ben for Tomlin, Manning for Dungy, Dawson for Stram, Wilson for Carroll and Bradshaw for Noll. What I found shocked me and is in the below list. You'll need to scroll down to the bottom to see Bill.

Non	Losing
HC	QB	Seas	L	%
Don	Shula	5	0	0
Mike	Tomlin	5	0	0
John	Harbaugh	11	1	91
Andy	Reid	8	1	125
Joe	Gibbs	7	1	143
Tony	Dungy	6	1	167
Bill	Cowher	11	3	273
Mike	Ditka	7	2	286
Doug	Pederson	7	2	286
Hank	Stram	3	1	333
Bill	Parcells	11	4	364
Pete	Carroll	8	3	375
Chuck	Noll	9	4	444
Bill	Belichick	11	8	730

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That's the whole point I've been making. If you take away the "best QB" from those great HC's, what's left is still respectable. Not a lot of championships, but certainly still some good coaching.

That isn't the case with Belichick. Take away his best HC and what is left is atrocious. 8 losing seasons. All of 1 single playoff win.

No wonder no one wants to hire him.

 

[sb1]

It really is remarkable how similar Rex Ryan and BB sans Brady are. BB was a defensive guru but Rex is no slouch himself. His scheme gave Brady fits in the early 2010's. Again he took a team QB'ed by freaking Mark Sanchez to 2 AFC Championship games including 4 playoff wins on the road. That's a lot more than other coaches can say.

 

[signbabybrady]

It really is remarkable how similar Rex Ryan and BB sans Brady are. BB was a defensive guru but Rex is no slouch himself. His scheme gave Brady fits in the early 2010's. Again he took a team QB'ed by freaking Mark Sanchez to 2 AFC Championship games including 4 playoff wins on the road. That's a lot more than other coaches can say.

It's remarkable how similar Nick Foles and Brady are sans Belichick

 

[sb1]

+1 +1 +1 +1

That's the whole point I've been making. If you take away the "best QB" from those great HC's, what's left is still respectable. Not a lot of championships, but certainly still some good coaching.

That isn't the case with Belichick. Take away his best HC and what is left is atrocious. 8 losing seasons. All of 1 single playoff win.

No wonder no one wants to hire him.

I didn't think BB was ready for prime time as a coach in his Cleveland years (kinda like Pete here) so I always downplayed that part of his career.

But a .426 record after Brady leaving including one historical beatdown in the playoffs... that's absolutely atrocious. As his roster building also shows he was exposed as someone who may know his defense but tbh not a whole lot about offense today. Brady was an offensive savant and that was the canyon sized hole that Brady left behind. Sure Bill didn't exactly have the best QB's to work with at the end... so maybe he should have taken that up with the GM of the team.

 

[signbabybrady]

I didn't think BB was ready for prime time as a coach in his Cleveland years (kinda like Pete here) so I always downplayed that part of his career.

But a .426 record after Brady leaving including one historical beatdown in the playoffs... that's absolutely atrocious. As his roster building also shows he was exposed as someone who may know his defense but tbh not a whole lot about offense today. Brady was an offensive savant and that was the canyon sized hole that Brady left behind. Sure Bill didn't exactly have the best QB's to work with at the end... so maybe he should have taken that up with the GM of the team.

 

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