Jaheim Bell

[One-If-By-Sea]

Toofy said the credit for the Maye pick should go to Kraft, and that’s what I was responding to, and yes, I have argued with many here who gave Wolf no credit for the Maye pick, saying it was a no brainer, when in fact I argued for months against people who wanted them to trade out of the 3rd pick, and those same people blamed Wolf for the rest of that draft. And they may well be right, and we could see all of that draft go poof at final cutdown, but anyone saying Wolf’spicks sucked should also acknowledge that he made a good pick in Maye.

There is little value in evaluating Wolf's individual picks or signings because every manager makes good and bad picks/signings. By trying to highlight Wolf's success in individual picks/signings you appear biased and defensive.

Value is added by looking at the overall performance which in the case of Wolf in 2024 was poor.

 

[mgteich]

.I were to predict their receiver room right now it would be:

Diggs
Williams
Hollins
Douglas
Chism

and every year htere is a UDFA WR that is likely to make the team and to beat out veterans who have made teams and contributed. I think that the likelihood of Chism making the 53 as the FIFTH wide receiver is lass than 5%, probably much, much less.

he would need to beat out ALL of these players
BOUTTE
BOURNE
POLK
BAKER

The idea if Chism of a 6th WR is pretty wild. The idea of him as a 5th WR, and this before camp is rather strange.
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Personally, I would choose any of the four over Chism as most likely to be our 5th WR.

 

[Huckleberry1]

and every year htere is a UDFA WR that is likely to make the team and to beat out veterans who have made teams and contributed. I think that the likelihood of Chism making the 53 as the FIFTH wide receiver is lass than 5%, probably much, much less.

he would need to beat out ALL of these players
BOUTTE
BOURNE
POLK
BAKER

The idea if Chism of a 6th WR is pretty wild. The idea of him as a 5th WR, and this before camp is rather strange.
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Personally, I would choose any of the four over Chism as most likely to be our 5th WR.

We will see. The only one of those guys who contributed anything last season was Boutte, and like the others he contributes nothing on special teams, and you have to have special teamers at the back of your WR and defensive back units.

 

[Huckleberry1]

There is little value in evaluating Wolf's individual picks or signings because every manager makes good and bad picks/signings. By trying to highlight Wolf's success in individual picks/signings you appear biased and defensive.

Value is added by looking at the overall performance which in the case of Wolf in 2024 was poor.

Oh, ok. I guess that means he gets the credit for their great overall draft in 25.’ Good to know, thanks.

 

[patman52]

He may very well stick around but I don't think he will be used as a FB, he could possibly do some hybrid stuff from the backfield. We will know soon enough how this TE group shapes out. I am actually more curious about how the WR room goes.

He will be a 2nd back in the backfield, I said in an earlier post something along the lines of Kevin turner. Not a wham blocking FB like Gash.

There is only going to be a very limited receiving role for the Fullback, because their backfield is loaded with pass catchers, and Henderson is going to get most of those touches. The lead blocking role will be more important than a receiving fullback role because Henderson will be the primary back on passing downs.

And I think the threat of Bell game being multi faceted puts a lot more stress on the defense. Vrable has pretty much said that Stevenson at 235 is going to be the bell cow. But I see Bell as better suited than Lampe as a blocker for Henderson on passsing situations Than Lampe. To me Lampe is a guy that is there for 4 or 5 plays a game. I see Bell having the potential for 15 plays a game.

 

[signbabybrady]

He will be a 2nd back in the backfield, I said in an earlier post something along the lines of Kevin turner. Not a wham blocking FB like Gash.

And I think the threat of Bell game being multi faceted puts a lot more stress on the defense. Vrable has pretty much said that Stevenson at 235 is going to be the bell cow. But I see Bell as better suited than Lampe as a blocker for Henderson on passsing situations Than Lampe. To me Lampe is a guy that is there for 4 or 5 plays a game. I see Bell having the potential for 15 plays a game.

Well that's an interesting way to look at it but if Henry and Hooper are healthy I would expect the FB to get more snaps than TE3.

 

[Wozzy]

but you are under the assumption Lampe can't get stronger?

Who said that? I said he isn’t strong now and is a poor athlete.

The notion he is ahead of Bell simply because his position title said “FB” in college, in the MAC no less, is laughable.

Bell played in the SEC and ACC. He made an NFL roster and was active for the entire season.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah I think Pop is probably a little more similar to Branch than the super slot guys. Even still if Chism makes the roster he's still probably playing behind Pop at least for a year or 2.

I think you could play both. If I were McDaniels I'd use Douglas the way Andy Reid used Tyreek. And no, Douglas isn't the athlete Tyreek is... but nobody is. What Douglas does have in spades is explosion, stop and go. Get that guy the ball in space and he'll break ankles. I'd use Douglas in the slot, as a RB, in sweeps, run plays, in the screen game... direct snap it to him.

Chism could still carve out a role as a slot WR. They need as many good WR's as they can find. If Chism can return punts he has more value.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Im pulling for Baker, a lot of natural talent.
Maybe he will get it.
Polk in my opinion was like trading for Sanu.
He’s just Ok you don’t spend serious resources for that level of physical talent.

Maybe he has the most talent in the NFL, but if he's a dumb fk, it won't matter.
I'd love to see him become a stallion, but I call him #Dumbass for a reason.
Dumb prck couldn't even get on the field LAST year, now THAT, is fkn PATHETIC.

 

[signbabybrady]

I think you could play both. If I were McDaniels I'd use Douglas the way Andy Reid used Tyreek. And no, Douglas isn't the athlete Tyreek is... but nobody is. What Douglas does have in spades is explosion, stop and go. Get that guy the ball in space and he'll break ankles. I'd use Douglas in the slot, as a RB, in sweeps, run plays, in the screen game... direct snap it to him.

Chism could still carve out a role as a slot WR. They need as many good WR's as they can find. If Chism can return punts he has more value.

I still want Marcus returning Punts.

 

[rkarp1]

I still want Marcus returning Punts.

is Marcus a lock to make the roster?

 

[signbabybrady]

is Marcus a lock to make the roster?

%100

 

[Huckleberry1]

He will be a 2nd back in the backfield, I said in an earlier post something along the lines of Kevin turner. Not a wham blocking FB like Gash.

And I think the threat of Bell game being multi faceted puts a lot more stress on the defense. Vrable has pretty much said that Stevenson at 235 is going to be the bell cow. But I see Bell as better suited than Lampe as a blocker for Henderson on passsing situations Than Lampe. To me Lampe is a guy that is there for 4 or 5 plays a game. I see Bell having the potential for 15 plays a game.

Lampe had the highest rated run blocking grade of any player who wasn’t an offensive lineman in all of college football last season ( 84.5) . Whereas the scouting reports on Bell said this;

Overview​

Undersized as a tight end and lacking instincts as a lead blocker out of the backfield, Bell is a player without a clean positional fit after playing all over the field at South Carolina and Florida State. When Bell centers in and locks up, he can be an effective blocker, but he is wildly inconsistent when asked to make blocks on the move in space. ( NFL.Com Lance Zeurlein)


So one is the best lead blocker in college football, and the other is “ wildly inconsistent when asked to make blocks on the move in space.”

I’ll take the best lead blocker in college football over the guy who “ lacks instincts and is !wildly inconsistent when asked to make lead blocks in space.”

 

[Huckleberry1]

%100

I agree, but I’m not sure I want him returning kicks any more. I would rather see them get him on the field with Williams to add more speed on passing downs.

The fact that Mayo never told Van Pelt that Jonescould be used on offense speaks to just how derelict he was in his duties as a head coach. Any Patriot fan could have informed Van Pelt of this, and Mayo never said a word.

 

[signbabybrady]

I agree, but I’m not sure I want him returning kicks any more. I would rather see them get him on the field with Williams to add more speed on passing downs.

The fact that Mayo never told Van Pelt that Iobes could be used on offense speaks to just how derelict he was in his duties as a head coach. Any Patriot fan could have informed Van Pelt of this, and Mayo never said a word.

That was mind boggling to me and pretty much when I gave up on the staff.

 

[Huckleberry1]

That was mind boggling to me and pretty much when I gave up on the staff.

Same here. When I heard that I fully understood just how incompetent he was. It was inexcusable. But that was totally on Mayo, he was the holdover.

 

[rkarp1]

Lampe had the highest rated run blocking grade of any player who wasn’t an offensive lineman in all of college football last season ( 84.5) . Whereas the scouting reports on Bell said this;

Overview​

Undersized as a tight end and lacking instincts as a lead blocker out of the backfield, Bell is a player without a clean positional fit after playing all over the field at South Carolina and Florida State. When Bell centers in and locks up, he can be an effective blocker, but he is wildly inconsistent when asked to make blocks on the move in space. ( NFL.Com Lance Zeurlein)


So one is the best lead blocker in college football, and the other is “ wildly inconsistent when asked to make blocks on the move in space.”

I’ll take the best lead blocker in college football over the guy who “ lacks instincts and is !wildly inconsistent when asked to make lead blocks in space.”

^this is what I had posted.
I watched some you tube film on Bell. not much blocking to see, but what I did see was underwhelming.
I also watched a handful of snaps of Bell last year in games he saw some snaps. granted, I maybe watched him on 10 snaps. they were all blocking plays (he only saw 3 targets all season). again, I came away thinking he should not be on the roster, if he is going to be parked behind Henry/Hooper, and not get any chance to line up wide and see what he can or cannot do.
then a naive poster jumped down my throat and called me a liar.
Lampe and/or Dippre are totally different players than Bell.

 

[Huckleberry1]

^this is what I had posted.
I watched some you tube film on Bell. not much blocking to see, but what I did see was underwhelming.
I also watched a handful of snaps of Bell last year in games he saw some snaps. granted, I maybe watched him on 10 snaps. they were all blocking plays (he only saw 3 targets all season). again, I came away thinking he should not be on the roster, if he is going to be parked behind Henry/Hooper, and not get any chance to line up wide and see what he can or cannot do.
then a naive poster jumped down my throat and called me a liar.
Lampe and/or Dippre are totally different players than Bell.

I don’t have anything against Bell, on a team with few weapons he could be helpful, and I think all 3 are very different players. Bell is an H-Back, Lampe is a true lead blocking fullback, and Dippre is an in line blocking TE. My best guess right now is that Lampe will make the 53 while they try to get Bell and Dippre to the practice squad. But camp will give us all a better idea of how they want to create the roster.

 

[rkarp1]

I don’t have anything against Bell, on a team with few weapons he could be helpful, and I think all 3 are very different players. Bell is an H-Back, Lampe is a true lead blocking fullback, and Dippre is an in line blocking TE. My best guess right now is that Lampe will make the 53 while they try to get Bell and Dippre to the practice squad. But camp will give us all a better idea of how they want to create the roster.

certainly Bell is worth working with, and have ready if Henry or Hooper injure, or looking at next year.
if the hunt is for a blocking FB or inline TE, agree Lampe or Dippre are the choices

 

[Wozzy]

I still want Marcus returning Punts.

You need options. Marcus also needs to prove he can stay healthy and a new contract.