What are you expecting from Drake Maye in Y2?

[Real fan 02]

Until last season I think Herbert was held back by bad coaching and it’s hard to succeed with the atrocious defense they’ve had. In terms of raw Herbert could be in the top 5 right now. It’s only one season but I could put Daniels up there too.

I like Daniels but he's going to have to back up that Cinderella season.. love the kids attitude, demeanor and moxy. He does that he will certainly be in the top 5 conversation. Out of all the rookies last season Drake was put in the worst situation. I like Herbert but I feel like he is who he is.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Until last season I think Herbert was held back by bad coaching and it’s hard to succeed with the atrocious defense they’ve had. In terms of raw Herbert could be in the top 5 right now. It’s only one season but I could put Daniels up there too.

Nah, he's had enough talent over the years, but finds ways to implode. He's very Phillip Rivers esque. Harbaugh is a good HC who created a mirage last season. Their roster is garbage who went 3-5 against teams .500 and above and got beatdowns by the Ravens and Bucs. 2 of those 3 wins were against the Broncos. Then closed out the season in the Wild Card game taking an embarrassing beating against a hobbled Texans team. They are not a very good team.

I don't understand why people keep getting fooled by them.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think Maye’s style is more of a pocket passer QB than Allen. Maye can extend plays but Allen just kills teams with his designed runs on short yardage and rollout to the right.

Designed runs.. your exactly correct as AVP didn't know what that meant last season. Joe Brady does marvels for Allen with those. I expect to see more if this for Drake.

 

[Sect140]

Sam, you have got to get off this whole Maye's body type thing. This isn't the first time and It is beyond silly, especially when we are talking Patriots QB's and their bodies. For example:

At the 2024 NFL Combine Drake Maye's height was listed as 6-4.2 and his weight was 225 lbs



At the 2000 NFL Combine Tom Brady's height was listed as 6-4.3 and his weight was 211 lbs



Just stop, please

Also Patrick Mahomes body isn’t one of a gym rat.

 

[KCSVEN]

Interesting Maye stats from last year from Mina Kimes Podcast..

-Maye faced the highest rate of QUICK pressures of any QB in the NFL

-When pressured, he had lowest off target rate in the NFL. Better than Mahomes, Burrow, Daniels, ANYONE.

-#1 in all QB's in missed tackle rate.

-4th in completion percentage over expected when pressured and was 10th overall in that stat on passes under 20 yards.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Wow, I had forgotten how "real" Mac Jones looked 1st year until someone posted his stats. I do love to hope that the game begins to be easier on Drake with an actual set offensive line comprising people who are familiar with the main job of keeping him upright and competent in their approach to that objective, and wide receivers who are like your local social security office, "used to be open but..."

Let's think of Drake as a guy people begin to respect, rather than "just a JAG for now but look out just in case."

Thinking through an optimistic case, let's hop in the Wayback Machine and imagine winning the "jump balls": games we lost by a TD or less. Let's pretend that we got better enough to dream that big. This also assumes our soft schedule this year doesn't present a tougher row to hoe than last year.

So by that logic, if we win the jump balls, that's 6 more Ws (Sea., First Mia. game, Tenn., Rams, Indianapolis, Buffalo), putting us at 10-7 on the season... which matches lots of predictions for the 2025 team here in Patsfans. The first 5 weren't Drake starts but the winning percentage didn't skyrocket when he started either.

How does that hypothetical case translate back into Mac's stats? A lot of the delta will come from guys to throw to and time to throw, both of which were pretty competently addressed in the offseason. I'd love to see him blossom suddenly into a 30+ TD quarterback, and having McDaniels in the mix can only be good for that ambition. But I'm trying to temper the tendency to confuse hope with "prediction." What do I hope? I hope he's suddenly in the high 30s in TDs, at 4000 yards, etc. etc. etc. From what we have actually observed, I think we're looking at a guy who gets into the 20-something TD club in 2025, perhaps 25 as a median "prediction." Yes I know last year he didn't start for five games, barely played in fact. But does <1/3 more starts, plus Josh, plus upgrades really push him past double his 2024 TD production? You can make the case but I will believe it when I see it.

But it's offseason... there are good reasons to say that last year was a low point we're growing away from.... etc. Maybe he shocks and amazes.

To me, it's getting that 10 Ws that is more important. If he's not this world-beater, let him back us into the playoffs and nudge us past some teams that can't rain down destruction a la KC. That's a really nice jump from last year, like it or not.

And all that said, my heart says Mac Jones I mean Drake Maye is the can't miss, canton-bound messiah poised to kick off the third Patriots dynasty.

Okay sorry for the novel, and thank you all for coming to my Ted talk.

 

[Thelonious]

There will be the predictable difficulties with transitioning to a complex offensive scheme with which he is has no experience, one which places additional responsibilities on the QB; but we heard as he was being vetted prior to being drafted that he is an intelligent and studious player, so the adjustment should be reasonably brief. We know too that he will be be adapting to any number of new players, which also will take time, though on the other side of the scale, at least these new players are pretty certainly better players than the dismal and poorly-coached group he had to work with last year. His coaches this year are far better than what he had last year, Lord knows.

So I expect there to be a reasonably brief period of adjustment to all that is new, but that by the end of preseason he will be in a position to develop steadily over the rest of the season. I suspect he'll tone down the "Aw shucks" stuff over the course of the year, I expect the turnovers to drop off as he continues to adapt to the greater speed and complexity of the NFL game, and to the superior speed and skills of NFL athletes, and I expect that as he masters the basics of Josh's offense, he and Josh together will work to adapt the offense to take advantage both of his innate athletic assets and of the skills he learned playing under a different system in college.

The takeaway, I guess, is that I expect him to develop just as we have hoped he might, after a perfectly acceptable period of adjustment over the course of the preseason. I suppose that's a pretty luke-warm, generic take, but I just don't see any rational basis for anything more entertainingly dramatic, and I think it's way too early to be attaching numbers to our projections for Drake or any other player.

If Drake doesn't develop as most of us have expected he will, that'll be a huge disappointment, but I don't see that happening

 

[Triumph]

 

[denverpatsfan]

Skippy needs to do better. Scheme, play calling etc. #12 isn't here. Can't roll out the Super complex system. Let's hope they hit the ground running. Tired of the extended preseason excuses. Someone has to win these 1st 4 games. Why the fu k can't it be the Pats?

 

[Real fan 02]

Love it.. but who are the player's faces? Lol

 

[Real fan 02]

Skippy needs to do better. Scheme, play calling etc. #12 isn't here. Can't roll out the Super complex system. Let's hope they hit the ground running. Tired of the extended preseason excuses. Someone has to win these 1st 4 games. Why the fu k can't it be the Pats?

He won't. That complex, read and react BS is done with.. Drake is smart guy, he knows where it's going pre snap.. if the plays not there he's taking off or checking it down.. Josh is setting the offense around Drake.. just like he did for the goat.. I agree Nevermind the whole.. September is an extension of the pre-season.. BS.. stack up wins.. how many home games have we won last few seasons? The earlier wins will help us down the line especially once playoff seeding comes into play.

 

[Real fan 02]

There will be the predictable difficulties with transitioning to a complex offensive scheme with which he is has no experience, one which places additional responsibilities on the QB; but we heard as he was being vetted prior to being drafted that he is an intelligent and studious player, so the adjustment should be reasonably brief. We know too that he will be be adapting to any number of new players, which also will take time, though on the other side of the scale, at least these new players are pretty certainly better players than the dismal and poorly-coached group he had to work with last year. His coaches this year are far better than what he had last year, Lord knows.

So I expect there to be a reasonably brief period of adjustment to all that is new, but that by the end of preseason he will be in a position to develop steadily over the rest of the season. I suspect he'll tone down the "Aw shucks" stuff over the course of the year, I expect the turnovers to drop off as he continues to adapt to the greater speed and complexity of the NFL game, and to the superior speed and skills of NFL athletes, and I expect that as he masters the basics of Josh's offense, he and Josh together will work to adapt the offense to take advantage both of his innate athletic assets and of the skills he learned playing under a different system in college.

The takeaway, I guess, is that I expect him to develop just as we have hoped he might, after a perfectly acceptable period of adjustment over the course of the preseason. I suppose that's a pretty luke-warm, generic take, but I just don't see any rational basis for anything more entertainingly dramatic, and I think it's way too early to be attaching numbers to our projections for Drake or any other player.

If Drake doesn't develop as most of us have expected he will, that'll be a huge disappointment, but I don't see that happening

I look at Drake as having already been in the process of developing.. he learned alot and got alot of invaluable experience from how ****ty last season was. He has elite coaching around him now and from what I hear Drake is a very smart guy. I'd expect to see a professional, smooth, balanced, functional offense that will put up points.

 

[Triumph]

Love it.. but who are the player's faces? Lol

Maye is even looking better these days.

 

[Uptown]

 

[KCSVEN]

It’s just dawned on me that Drake is learning his 4th offense in 4 years with his 4th offensive coordinator.
All the offenses have been different too
That’s pretty crazy. Just adds to the fact hiring Josh was the right call because he needs somebody to stick around for a while.

 

[p8ryts]

Being the best of the bad is not a good thing.

 

[Uptown]

Being the best of the bad is not a good thing.

Nobody said it was…but if nobody’s open……..

 

[KCSVEN]

Being the best of the bad is not a good thing.

That stat is as much a statement about the offensive line and receivers as about the quarterback
Advanced metrics for Maye are excellent

 

[Salsalife]

The Brady brain, can it be duplicated in Maye in a training camp. The answer, it can't yet . Can't download kung fu like the Matrix. Maye's gonna have to learn the hard way. The offense has to learn the hard way. He's a rookie again with McDaniels. I think Josh should put away 90 percent of his playbook this camp and teach basic pro football 101. Foundation and the fundamentals. Make Maye pass it, make the line pass it, make the protection pass it first. Can't rush it. Gotta make the whole team understand Josh McDaniels 101. Vanilla. Get vanilla stuff correct and during the year add football 102. Snap count, play called, play clock, lineup, man downfield penalties, option 1 route, option 2 route, pocket head gameclock, pocket awareness. I hate watching them throw deep throws in camp. So much more to learn first...

 

[State]

It’s just dawned on me that Drake is learning his 4th offense in 4 years with his 4th offensive coordinator.
All the offenses have been different too
That’s pretty crazy. Just adds to the fact hiring Josh was the right call because he needs somebody to stick around for a while.

Wow. That’s true, isn’t it?

Definitely time for the McDaniels/Maye Experience to take firm root. Mcdaniels the failed HC isn’t going any where else. And that’s a good thing.