Pats Turned Down a Sweet Trade in Round 2

[DaBruinz]

In the McDaniel's offenses here, the recieving back has been an essential component. The offenses have struggled without Faulk/Woodhead/Vareen/White. These types of players are not a dime a dozen. There are few who stand out.

This is a serious case of your brush strokes being way too broad and you ignoring reality.

2005- The offense struggled because they had Faulk go down and then Dillon go down and had no reasonable back-up behind them.
2015 - The offense struggled because they first lost Dion Lewis early and then lost Blount 3/4 way through the season. They attempted to bring in Steven Jackson. That doesn't include the injuries to the O-line that ALSO plagued the Pats going into the play-offs.
2020 - They lost Damien Harris, Rex Burkhead, and Sony Michel all by week 11.
2021 - They lost White, but still had Harris, Stevenson and Bolden who easily picked up the slack.
2022 - The issues with the offense weren't because they didn't have James White (ret) or Damien Harris (inj).
2023 & 2024 - The issues were injuries and depth on the O-line.

 

[DaBruinz]

Supposedly there was an off from da Bears for 39 & a 7th... If they had sworn for the record Not to take Henderson, then this should've been a no-brainer; if they had balked then yeah No deal for you... As for the Houston offer, I too am of the mind-set to gather more picks because unlike the Old boss And the New boss I won't **** up as many of them... But going from 4 to 58 without ANY picks in-between? Sorry, that's just one bridge too far for me... And yeah once Jayden Higgins was taken then Henderson became one of my top targets, along with Burden, Tre Harris & Mason Taylor, for the same reasons others have mentioned.

The Bears wanted Henderson.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is a deal that should have been made. If the Texans want 38 and are willing to give 58, 79, and a third-rounder next year that is too sweet to pass up.

Disagree. As a number of people have said the Pats need playmakers, not more picks, and Henderson was a great pick.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I would have been interested in that trade. However, I don't think Green was on the board. And RB was a need. I like the idea of Stevenson but he has been an average RB for two years before factoring in the fumbles. He has the coaching/OL mess as a legitimate excuse but he is a big uncertainty right now.

I don't think they consider themselves rebuilding after free agency. Filling lots of holes, having the HC and QB and, on paper, an easy schedule, I think they expect to compete for the playoffs and use that as a floor beyond that.

Getting an explosive RB who rarely fumbles and is a great blocker, I think, had great value to them. We need explosive plays/players and this is one.

I would have been pissed if they passed Henderson.

 

[EMpats]

Try dealing in actual facts and not BS.

Green had two Sexual Assault Allegations. Both of which have amounted to nothing. He was open about the situations with all NFL teams. Calling him a rapist when there wasn't even a CHARGE shows everyone the kind of person YOU are and that your judgement is severally lacking.

He was charged with sexual assault in two different cities by two different people. He was literally dismissed from the football team for one of them. He also fell from top 10 to the end of the second round. Avoiding criminal charges does not remotely imply innocence and the court of common sense is not the same as the court of law.

Maybe calling him a rapist is strong, but there are millions of people in this world who need and deserve to be defended and protected. Mike Green isn’t one of them.

Judge me all you want. I treat EVERYONE with respect unless they force/impose themselves or their values on others against their will. Despite avoiding criminal charges, there is enough out there to say Mike green is not one of those people.

 

[dliverey44]

Disagree. As a number of people have said the Pats need playmakers, not more picks, and Henderson was a great pick.

I agree completely, dude is top notch at pass pro and catches the ball like a WR. I really do not understand why some are downplaying the pick. Dude is an absolute weapon.

 

[maust]

I never understood why the media, with their love of spin, presented it as a weak class when they want people to tune in to the reality TV show for the 3 days. I think they could have done a better job of selling it as deep on contributors well into day 3 and people would have tuned in more. Instead, you get the "meh, this year's class sucks" folks and they tune out. Lunatics like us are tuning in to see what the Pats do regardless, I am speaking of a more casual fan. The guy that might turn it on the first night but bails on Friday and Saturday.

I didn't hear any media reports of this being a weak overall class, just soft at the very top. Most everything I read and heard touted this as one of the deeper drafts in some time as opposed to last year where the strength of that draft lay in the top 100 or so but was lacking in day 3

 

[mayoclinic]

Supposedly there was an off from da Bears for 39 & a 7th... If they had sworn for the record Not to take Henderson, then this should've been a no-brainer; if they had balked then yeah No deal for you...

I don't understand this at all. Why would you possibly consider losing out on a player you really want for a 7th round pick? Verbal assurances are not binding, and Ben Johnson could reasonably be expected to covet a Jamyhr Gibbs-like RB. I'd agree it was a no-brainer, in the other direction. Not worth the risk, by a long shot.

 

[DaBruinz]

He was charged with sexual assault in two different cities by two different people. He was literally dismissed from the football team for one of them. He also fell from top 10 to the end of the second round. Avoiding criminal charges does not remotely imply innocence and the court of common sense is not the same as the court of law.

Maybe calling him a rapist is strong, but there are millions of people in this world who need and deserve to be defended and protected. Mike Green isn’t one of them.

Judge me all you want. I treat EVERYONE with respect unless they force/impose themselves or their values on others against their will. Despite avoiding criminal charges, there is enough out there to say Mike green is not one of those people.

He was? That's news to EVERYONE including him. Go ahead and show everyone where he was CHARGED. Do you even understand what it means to be CHARGED with a crime? It means you're arrested, booked and told what the charges are. Newsflash, he wasn't actually CHARGED despite the erroneous headlines by Yahoo, Athlon Sports, and other media. In fact, if you read the articles by those outlets, they even go on to contradict their headline by stating he wasn't actually arrested and charged in any of the situations.

Calling him a rapist is you being a complete jackarse and has nothing to do with "millions of people who need and deserve to be defended and protected". That's you being a self-righteous **** and imposing YOUR values of someone being GUILTY until proven innocent.

No. you clearly don't treat everyone with respect. You go off half-****ed without anything remotely close to ACTUAL factual information. Reality is that you're a dupe who can't be bothered to do some actual research before condemning someone. Claiming that there is enough to say that Mike Green isn't one of those people who deserves to be treated fairly is proof that your "morals" are BS.

 

[DaBruinz]

I didn't hear any media reports of this being a weak overall class, just soft at the very top. Most everything I read and heard touted this as one of the deeper drafts in some time as opposed to last year where the strength of that draft lay in the top 100 or so but lacking in day 3

There were no reports of it being a "WEAK Overall Class." What was said was that this was a deep class of players who would likely develop into 4-8 yr starters. It was said that the level of talent from about pick 20 through pick 120 was about the same. I actually heard some state that there would be staring caliber players available well into the 5th round..

It wasn't "deep" with Blue Chip "ALL-PRO" types.

 

[DaBruinz]

Disagree. As a number of people have said the Pats need playmakers, not more picks, and Henderson was a great pick.

Henderson fit a need. Whether he fit VALUE as well has yet to be determined. NFL history is littered with College "Play-makers" who didn't do jack s**t in the NFL.

RB was one of the deeper positions in the draft. Which is why I thought that the Pats could double-dip.

The idea that the Pats "needed playmakers" was a media BS storyline. The Pats NEEDED to fix the O-line. It remains to be seen if adding Campbell, Wilson, and Moses will do that. You fix the O-line and that gives the players like Maye, Stevenson, Gibson, Henry, Hooper, Diggs, etc the time to make plays. Without a SOLID O-line, all the play-makers int he world don't mean a damn thing. You know that.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Peeps COMPLAIN every Year about staying put and taking STUDS (HENDERSON), YET they take him and ****s complain?
Are you fkn serious, this Guy is a no brainer.
Fk off ******s.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

TreVeyone is gonna be a BI TCH, HE'S GOING TO SMASH.
I can't believe you ****ies that thought he was a bad pic.
HE'S A FKN STUD.

 

[patfanken]

Supposedly there was an off from da Bears for 39 & a 7th... If they had sworn for the record Not to take Henderson, then this should've been a no-brainer; if they had balked then yeah No deal for you... As for the Houston offer, I too am of the mind-set to gather more picks because unlike the Old boss And the New boss I won't **** up as many of them... But going from 4 to 58 without ANY picks in-between? Sorry, that's just one bridge too far for me... And yeah once Jayden Higgins was taken then Henderson became one of my top targets, along with Burden, Tre Harris & Mason Taylor, for the same reasons others have mentioned.

I thought that Chicago trade WASN'T made because the Bears reportedly were very hot on Henderson and probably didn't give the Pats their promise not to pick him.

As for the Texan trade, I agree that the offer was a good one, very meaty. But I agree with those who felt the gap between 4 and 58 would have been to wide, especially in a draft were the some of the best values were seen in the 20-40 range.

It's become vouge to proclaim that RB's are a fungible commodity and you can get a good one anywhere in the draft. But last season should have been a wake up call that that pendulum is swinging, and there are RB's out there who can change games and have huge impacts like they did in the 60's - 90's when it was the position that drew the top 5 picks. As it was, there were 2 RB's taken in the top 25, so we aren't the only team that was thinking a RB could make an immediate impact on the offense.

When you think on it, if Henderson is splitting reps with Gibson and Stephenson, that would mean approximately 30 runs and 10 passes. If they spread it out fairly evenly, then Henderson will get 10-15 touches per game. That is a huge game for a WR to get that many touches, but it will be just an average game for Henderson.

Given the particular needs of the Pats for impact skill players on offense, the more I look at this pick the more I like, and this wasn't my initial reaction back in April.

 

[neuronet]

We were lucky he was available and chances are he would not have been after the trade.

It was a good —> great draft.

 

[Sect140]

I can’t fault people for wanting to trade down and acquire more picks but I’m glad they didn’t and selected Henderson, it shows me they really like the player enough to not accept the trade requests. Everything I’ve listen to nationally state that the Pats may have had the best pick of the draft with the Henderson pick, James White thinks it was the steal of the draft. I’ve started watching video clips of him, I think he’s going to be a heck of a player, I can’t wait to watch him picking up the blitz.

 

[uknepatsfan]

I'm stoked on the Henderson pick and the entire draft and UDFA class. Speed back was a strong need. He should provide an immediate spark to the offense.

Hi all. First time poster from Bristol, England.

I agree with this post. I actually punched the air with joy when I was watching the draft on DAZN and the Pats picked up Henderson. IMO, the last really good RB the Pats have had was clock killing Corey Dillon, they desperately needed a home run hitter who is a threat to take it to the house on any touch.

Belichick’s RBs were all plodders, great to ground defenses down but the highlight of their season would be a 20 yard run.

Never been a fan of Stevenson and his fumbles.

The whole draft was a refreshing change from the absolute stinkers we’ve had to endure over the last 5 or so years.

 

[TheWolfdies]

From watching the 1st episode of Forged in Foxboro we learned that the Texans were looking to trade up and it was clear from who they ended up trading up for(My boy Ersery) that it was not a RB. In fact there were no RBs taken prior to 58.

We could have had 58, 79 and a 3rd round pick next year for 38.

Mike Green was still available at 58.

Jaylin Noel went at 79.

Instead we take a RB that IMO wasn't a need and wasn't BPA. I'm sorry but that's just not how you start a rebuild.

I didn't see that episode but a second and 2 thirds for a high second? If you're right that is a great haul.

 

[Dec54]

Hi all. First time poster from Bristol, England.

I agree with this post. I actually punched the air with joy when I was watching the draft on DAZN and the Pats picked up Henderson. IMO, the last really good RB the Pats have had was clock killing Corey Dillon, they desperately needed a home run hitter who is a threat to take it to the house on any touch.

Belichick’s RBs were all plodders, great to ground defenses down but the highlight of their season would be a 20 yard run.

Never been a fan of Stevenson and his fumbles.

The whole draft was a refreshing change from the absolute stinkers we’ve had to endure over the last 5 or so years.

Good day uknepatsfan good to see a fellow Brit here. Welcome to the forum I'm sure you will soon sort out the wheat from the chaf so to speak. I have been a Pats fan for many years and made the trip over twice to see games, but only discovered this forum Jan 2024. So enjoy your time here and I look forwards to reading your posts.

 

[uknepatsfan]

Good day uknepatsfan good to see a fellow Brit here. Welcome to the forum I'm sure you will soon sort out the wheat from the chaf so to speak. I have been a Pats fan for many years and made the trip over twice to see games, but only discovered this forum Jan 2024. So enjoy your time here and I look forwards to reading your posts.

Thanks Dec54. Much appreciated.