Pats Turned Down a Sweet Trade in Round 2

[ctpatsfan77]

From watching the 1st episode of Forged in Foxboro we learned that the Texans were looking to trade up and it was clear from who they ended up trading up for(My boy Ersery) that it was not a RB. In fact there were no RBs taken prior to 58.

Two thoughts on this:

(1) Just because HOU ended up trading for Ersery doesn't mean he was their target all along. Similarly, the fact that no RBs went between 38 and 58 is not a guarantee that Henderson would still have been there at 58. (Several NFL.com mocks had Henderson going in the 20s.) It likely does tell us, though, that teams saw a significant drop in talent after Henderson.

(2) Even Belichick turned down strong trade offers. He had a deal in place with HOU about 10 years ago and canceled it when Malcom Brown fell to him.

 

[State]

Even Belichick turned down strong trade offers. He had a deal in place with HOU about 10 years ago and canceled it when Malcom Brown fell to him.

How’d that work out?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

How’d that work out?

We don't know exactly what the trade would've been, so who knows?

My point is simply that it's not unreasonable for a team to value a particular player more than picks.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Must be difficult trying to find a size 11 hat

 

[maust]

My larger point was they had equivalent talent still available and they should be maximizing their odds at every opportunity presented to them in what was by all experts a weak draft class.

Clearly, not being as knowledgeable as yourself, the Pats brain trust didn't feel there was equivalent talent still available. If in fact this was a 'weak draft class', it behooved them all the more to take a player they had a 1st round grade on while he is still available. Contrary to whatever 'experts' you are referring to (the ones in your sock drawer perhaps?) everything I saw was telling me this was a very deep draft, it just lacked blue chippers at the top.

 

[stinkypete]

In the McDaniel's offenses here, the recieving back has been an essential component. The offenses have struggled without Faulk/Woodhead/Vareen/White. These types of players are not a dime a dozen. There are few who stand out.

 

[Sciz]

A little hindsight is okay sometimes, but it’s a little extreme to advocate for Mike Green at 4 before the draft but then for trading back to wait for him at 58 after the draft.

 

[Steve102]

I had a long book written, but I am just good roll with this, like @hornetfb85 did.

 

[patchick]

the Texans were looking to trade up and it was clear from who they ended up trading up for(My boy Ersery) that it was not a RB. In fact there were no RBs taken prior to 58.

I don't quite get your argument here. TE Tyler Warren was drafted at #14, and no other TE was drafted until #42. That doesn't mean that Warren was a bad pick at 14, or that he would have otherwise lasted until 42. Surely it means that there was a steep drop-off in talent at the position after blue-chipper Warren, right?

It's in my nature to want more more more draft picks, so the alleged Houston offer sounds mighty tempting. At the same time, fans used to fume about Belichick "getting cute" and accumulating draft value rather than talent. The new boss clearly believed Henderson was too good to pass up -- here's hoping he's right.

 

[Water Boy]

I'm stoked on the Henderson pick and the entire draft and UDFA class. Speed back was a strong need. He should provide an immediate spark to the offense.

 

[maust]

I'm stoked on the Henderson pick and the entire draft and UDFA class. Speed back was a strong need. He should provide an immediate spark to the offense.

Speed, smarts, hands and an excellent blocker what's not to like other than not being one of Bakes 'Boys' ofc

 

[captain stone]

yeah, but I think that not valuing the position is starting to go by the wayside. I am surprised at the ravens going after Green so soon after the kicker's issues.

They have a statue of a Murderer (possibly a Double-Murderer) in front of their place of business.

 

[Clonamery]

Speed, smarts, hands and an excellent blocker what's not to like other than not being one of Bakes 'Boys'

There's a bit of possessiveness with the Draft Gurus.

 

[captain stone]

Supposedly there was an off from da Bears for 39 & a 7th... If they had sworn for the record Not to take Henderson, then this should've been a no-brainer; if they had balked then yeah No deal for you... As for the Houston offer, I too am of the mind-set to gather more picks because unlike the Old boss And the New boss I won't **** up as many of them... But going from 4 to 58 without ANY picks in-between? Sorry, that's just one bridge too far for me... And yeah once Jayden Higgins was taken then Henderson became one of my top targets, along with Burden, Tre Harris & Mason Taylor, for the same reasons others have mentioned.

 

[maust]

There's a bit of possessiveness with the Draft Gurus.

Just 'a bit' more in some than others

I know, and to a certain extent understand, that. What I struggled with here was trying to understand why in a supposedly weak draft (which was anything but) would I want to take more bites at a wormy apple? Why wouldn't I prefer to take what good was there out of a bad bunch while I could? I'm not saying I at all agree with the argument as presented, in fact I vehemently disagree that this was a weak draft class and believe it was one of the deepest in years just not stellar at the top. My disagreement lies in if you take the argument as stated, that this was a weak class, then that is all the more reason to take your guy, count yourself lucky and run like a thief in the night not kick your guy to the curb so you can have more picks to select from the remaining dreck. The premise itself is self defeating

 

[Steve102]

There's a bit of possessiveness with the Draft Gurus.

 

[Steve102]

Just 'a bit' more in some than others

I know, and to a certain extent understand, that. What I struggled with here was trying to understand why in a supposedly weak draft (which was anything but) would I want to take more bites at a wormy apple? Why wouldn't I prefer to take what good was there out of a bad bunch while I could? I'm not saying I at all agree with the argument as presented, in fact I vehemently disagree that this was a weak draft class and believe it was one of the deepest in years just not stellar at the top. My disagreement lies in if you take the argument as stated, that this was a weak class, then that is all the more reason to take your guy, count yourself lucky and run like a thief in the night not kick your guy to the curb so you can have more picks to select from the remaining dreck

I never understood why the media, with their love of spin, presented it as a weak class when they want people to tune in to the reality TV show for the 3 days. I think they could have done a better job of selling it as deep on contributors well into day 3 and people would have tuned in more. Instead, you get the "meh, this year's class sucks" folks and they tune out. Lunatics like us are tuning in to see what the Pats do regardless, I am speaking of a more casual fan. The guy that might turn it on the first night but bails on Friday and Saturday.

 

[DaBruinz]

From watching the 1st episode of Forged in Foxboro we learned that the Texans were looking to trade up and it was clear from who they ended up trading up for(My boy Ersery) that it was not a RB. In fact there were no RBs taken prior to 58.

We could have had 58, 79 and a 3rd round pick next year for 38.

Mike Green was still available at 58.

Jaylin Noel went at 79.

Instead we take a RB that IMO wasn't a need and wasn't BPA. I'm sorry but that's just not how you start a rebuild.

To be fair, it's been reported that Wolf was on the phone with Chicago at the time that Houston called and Chicago wanted to take Henderson.

Not sure how you think that RB wasn't a need considering that the Pats had only 3 on the roster at the time and only 2 of them had any meaningful playing time. RB was, most certainly, a need in this draft and it was the only place other than OT I thought the Pats might double dip.

 

[DaBruinz]

Picking a rapist in round 2 is ok to start a rebuild but not one of the most explosive offensive playmakers in the draft?

Try dealing in actual facts and not BS.

Green had two Sexual Assault Allegations. Both of which have amounted to nothing. He was open about the situations with all NFL teams. Calling him a rapist when there wasn't even a CHARGE shows everyone the kind of person YOU are and that your judgement is severally lacking.

 

[DaBruinz]

I would have been interested in that trade. However, I don't think Green was on the board. And RB was a need. I like the idea of Stevenson but he has been an average RB for two years before factoring in the fumbles. He has the coaching/OL mess as a legitimate excuse but he is a big uncertainty right now.

I don't think they consider themselves rebuilding after free agency. Filling lots of holes, having the HC and QB and, on paper, an easy schedule, I think they expect to compete for the playoffs and use that as a floor beyond that.

Getting an explosive RB who rarely fumbles and is a great blocker, I think, had great value to them. We need explosive plays/players and this is one.

*ROFLMAO* Stevenson has been more than an "average" RB the last 2 years. You're completely ignoring the Oline issues as if they aren't a factor for how a RB performs.