Isn't The OL Already Much Better Than In 2024?

[State]

What happened to Sidy Sow last year?

 

[TommyD4207]

What happened to Sidy Sow last year?

He played some decent fullback.

 

[Wozzy]

What happened to Sidy Sow last year?

He missed the first month with injury and the coaching staff very likely had a mandate from up above to play the rookies and free agents… Wolf’s guys.

 

[Triumph]

Remember when the NE WRs were better in the 2024 preseason?

Baker and Polka. Thorton was ready to break out.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

With Campbell, we now appear to have upgraded 4 OL spots from last year - LT Campbell, LG Strange, C Bradberry , RT Moses. Onwenu can stay at RG where he’s best suited.

Pretty good work for one offseason. Wouldn’t mind another pick at iol to see if lg/c can be further boosted.

 

[Family]

If Campbell is a player, the OL even has a chance to be better than avg.

 

[jdlboot14]

With Campbell, we now appear to have upgraded 4 OL spots from last year - LT Campbell, LG Strange, C Bradberry , RT Moses. Onwenu can stay at RG where he’s best suited.

Pretty good work for one offseason. Wouldn’t mind another pick at iol to see if lg/c can be further boosted.

Absolutely agree. Even some decent backups that have yet to show their potential:
G Sow, C Brown, RT Wallace, G Robinson

 

[Since1960]

Yes - much improved compared to last year. Now on to correct one if the worse WR rooms in the league….

 

[Steve102]

Yes, the OL is much improved over last year.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Absolutely agree. Even some decent backups that have yet to show their potential:
G Sow, C Brown, RT Wallace, G Robinson

Correct, i think the depth is pretty good here too.

Wallace and robinson have room to grow. I like the setup with strange and moses here for the short term while we assess these 2, and we can address those positions later if they don’t work out.

Lowe like others have pointed out is not a starter but i see value in him as a backup. Same with brown at c, they both looked okay for some time and then eventually showed why they are best suited as depth.

Demontrey jacobs was the only one that i wouldn’t want to see in any capacity based off last years performance, but in his case maybe he just needed time to grow and was thrown in too early.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

A lot of the people who have touted the Campbell pick say he will be a long term "average" or "solid" LT. Whatever his overall career ends up at, expect less than that as a rookie. That's just a normal career arc. So considering the relatively low ceiling people have for his career, and "discounting" back to factor in that he likely takes some time to progress to that, I'm expecting a below average LT next year.

Strange, so far in his career, has been below average. Some might argue average.

Bradbury had one good year that MIN paid him for, but otherwise he's been below average up to average, hence their decision to move on.

Onwenu at his best has looked like a budding pro bowler. At his worst he's been just average. I'd expect closer to the former this year based on it really being a contract year and him having us having a more cohesive blocking and overall offensive scheme.

Moses has been above average to good but he's old. I'd expect him to be getting worse each year at his age, so I'm thinking he'll be average to maybe a bit above this year.


Overall, it's mostly an average at best unit IMO. It won't be good, but it will be good enough that we aren't playing with one hand behind our back like we were for most of last year. Still a weak unit and very underwhelming relative to what they've invested in it (Campbell a #4 pick, Strange a recent 1st rounder, Onwenu one of the highest paid at his position, Moses a decent-sized free agent contract).

 

[DarrylS]

Much improved, Campbell, playing in a tough SEC conference only allowed 5 sacks in three years.. last year he allowed 2...
So while we hear the so called authorities on Sportstalk radio telling us what bust he is, he was best available LT, that alone should make us much better.
But in the NFL injuries can be an equalizer. Depth is needed: Trapello?? Kendall??

 

[sb1]

Strange, so far in his career, has been below average. Some might argue average.

Still don't know what we have in Strange cause he's been injured a lot.

 

[Real fan 02]

Vederian Lowe sucks against Decent DE's: note I didn't mention the Better ones.

Love will be on spirit airlines at logan airport soon...

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Still don't know what we have in Strange cause he's been injured a lot.

Fair. He's still young. The book is hardly closed on what type of player he can be. But I just haven't seen anything from him that leads me to think he's going to take some massive leap this year. We took him as a first rounder but he was seen as a reach because the player he's been is kind of the caliber of player that people expected.

 

[Family]

A lot of the people who have touted the Campbell pick say he will be a long term "average" or "solid" LT. Whatever his overall career ends up at, expect less than that as a rookie. That's just a normal career arc. So considering the relatively low ceiling people have for his career, and "discounting" back to factor in that he likely takes some time to progress to that, I'm expecting a below average LT next year.

Strange, so far in his career, has been below average. Some might argue average.

Bradbury had one good year that MIN paid him for, but otherwise he's been below average up to average, hence their decision to move on.

Onwenu at his best has looked like a budding pro bowler. At his worst he's been just average. I'd expect closer to the former this year based on it really being a contract year and him having us having a more cohesive blocking and overall offensive scheme.

Moses has been above average to good but he's old. I'd expect him to be getting worse each year at his age, so I'm thinking he'll be average to maybe a bit above this year.


Overall, it's mostly an average at best unit IMO. It won't be good, but it will be good enough that we aren't playing with one hand behind our back like we were for most of last year. Still a weak unit and very underwhelming relative to what they've invested in it (Campbell a #4 pick, Strange a recent 1st rounder, Onwenu one of the highest paid at his position, Moses a decent-sized free agent contract).

This is the most pessimistic view on everyone.

And you are not taking into account the upside possibility for Caedan Wallace, Sidney Sow, Layden Robinson, and even Lowe and Jake Andrews. It's a 17 game season and people get injured. They are potentially a bit deep, if not average on starters, by your standards.

The OL line is no longer about hoping players like Conor McDermott, Calvin Anderson, Riley Reiff are starters. The backups are not a transitioned Bill Murray from defense or Sidney Sow to tackle. Guys like Andrew Stueber and James Ferentz aren't hopeful pieces.

I know the past was a bad OL, but have you looked around the league?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

This is the most pessimistic view on everyone.

And you are not taking into account the upside possibility for Caedan Wallace, Sidney Sow, Layden Robinson, and even Lowe and Jake Andrews. It's a 17 game season and people get injured. They are potentially a bit deep, if not average on starters, by your standards.

The OL line is no longer about hoping players like Conor McDermott, Calvin Anderson, Riley Reiff are starters. The backups are not a transitioned Bill Murray from defense or Sidney Sow to tackle. Guys like Andrew Stueber and James Ferentz aren't hopeful pieces.

I know the past was a bad OL, but have you looked around the league?

I agree they have better depth. The guys who started last year are backups now. That's better depth. If there are injuries, they're better equipped to handle that now.

I still stand by my evaluations and would call them realistic more than pessimistic. Your statement that I was pessimistic on every one is obviously wrong too if you reread what I wrote about Onwenu where I forecasted he'd play closer to his best than his worst. Is it really pessimistic to think that Moses will be getting worse each year he plays from here on out in his late 30s? It's not like I said he was going to suck, just have some decline. And is it pessimistic to say that Campbell's rookie year is going to be worse than whatever his overall career ends up in anticipation that he gets better over time up to his peak/prime like most players do?

 

[Family]

I agree they have better depth. The guys who started last year are backups now. That's better depth. If there are injuries, they're better equipped to handle that now.

I still stand by my evaluations and would call them realistic more than pessimistic. Your statement that I was pessimistic on every one is obviously wrong too if you reread what I wrote about Onwenu where I forecasted he'd play closer to his best than his worst. Is it really pessimistic to think that Moses will be getting worse each year he plays from here on out in his late 30s? It's not like I said he was going to suck, just have some decline. And is it pessimistic to say that Campbell's rookie year is going to be worse than whatever his overall career ends up in anticipation that he gets better over time up to his peak/prime like most players do?

Yes I think it is pessimistic because we don't know what Campbell will be or if a change of scenery rejuvenates Moses for one year. Or we don't know how Wallace will be or if Lowe can swing over to right if needed. Or we don't know if Strange will even be the starter.

There are many balls in the air with this group. To say it's below average with the offensive line landscape of the league so below average is pessimistic.

 

[Froob]

league average could be in play. we were playing at an xfl lvl last year

 

[Froob]

Still don't know what we have in Strange cause he's been injured a lot.

he’s unfortunately missed a lot valuable off season time for two years in a row