Would It Be Terrible If Campbell Is A Transition For A Year?

[Kdo5]

Freaking Mayo is going to be smiling somewhere when Hunter and Carter comes off the Board before our pick. I hope he chokes on his beer Jerod Mayo!!!

Again I’m going to defend Mayo. Why would a man being fired after one season do a favor for ownership hours before?

Cmon.

 

[lancerman]

You know what won't be terrible? When this draft has come and gone and the 24/7 Campbell threads quit multiplying like rabbits.
THAT will not be terrible

Honestly, every permutation of the Campbell discussion has been beaten to death and then some. This 'but wait there's more' **** has risen more than Dracula and Freddy Krueger combined ffs

New topic, would you take Campbell over Dracula for LT?

 

[maust]

New topic, would you take Campbell over Dracula for LT?

Well that's just a silly question. The single greatest ability is availability. The Pats probably aren't going to merit more than a couple of night games, Drac wouldn't be worth the pick

 

[mgteich]

If the Pats take Campbell at 4, they don't view him as a transitional player at LT. They are all in at LT. If Campbell ends up at LG, it is still a serious hole in our o-line that is filled. All these whiners who want a great line but don't want to spend anything for it are ridiculous. This draft has its own uniqueness. There is no disagreement that Campbell is the best lineman in the draft. He fills needs for us. It is not a waste or problem given the o-line talent for this draft.

The fools who cite Thuney in the Superbowl as evidence Campbell will intentionally ignore the playoff wins KC had to even make the SB while Thuney was at LT. He started at left tackle from Week 15 through Super Bowl LIX, and while not perfect, he provided much-needed stability. He was good against the Dolphins, Bills, and Ravens in the Playoffs.

I don't think that Vrabel considers Campbell to be a transitional LT. I just think that this is the worst case scenario if we were to draft him expecting him to be a 5 year much better than average starter.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You should never have a pick at #4 and transition for a year in the same sentence.

 

[rkarp1]

there are no viable options to trade down, yet
there are no promises to trade back into rd 1
there are no guarantees the player you are trading for, up or down, will still be available, until you are on the clock

Vrabel is on record. he is upgrading the OL. take Campbell to play an average to above average OT this year. re evaluate year 2 and bump him inside to a potential pro bowl OG.

fixing the OL. don't get cute at #4

 

[rkarp1]

You should never have a pick at #4 and transition for a year in the same sentence.

" I am drafting an all pro LG at #4, but he will transition this year as the starting LT, because he is the best option"

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The only thing even remotely approaching a coherent thought in this post is the “no-brainer” part: because Anyone who wants to USE the #4 overall pick in the First ****ing Place; then ****ing WASTE IT on Stumpy in the Second ****ing Place, simply has No ****ing Brain.

Rather trade down but who's a trading partner?

 

[Ring 6]

Campbell can certainly be an OK transition at LT for a year. That is worst case. After all, the other choice is Lowe. The best case is that we have our LT for the next 10 years.
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We will be better able to judge our needs next year with Campbell on board, actually giving us flexibility. Going into free agency next year, we will need help on the OL. I can't predict where. No one else can predict where the help will be needed.

Strange may or may not be on the team. If he is, he may be our center.

Others might step up at center or guard.
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Unless we are sold on Banks or Connerly, Campbell seems to be no-brainer. Obviously, we would prefer to draft him at 6; later doesn't seem possible.

We aren’t drafting Campbell at 4 if we aren’t certain he will be the LT for the next 5 years.

 

[mgteich]

Rather trade down but who's a trading partner?

and how much will they give you as compensation?

 

[Lansdowne]

" I am drafting an all pro LG at #4, but he will transition this year as the starting LT, because he is the best option"

Then no, because you can find potential All-Pro LG at a non-premium draft slot. Joe Thuney is a favorite example to many here and he was a 3rd round pick. Joel Bitonio of the Browns and Landon ****erson of the Eagles are two of the best LG's in the NFL and they were 2nd round picks. If you want a future All-Pro LG, take Donovan Jackson with the 38th pick. If you're taking Will Campbell at 4th overall, it should be because you believe he can be an All-Pro LT. If you're looking for just an adequate LT, trade down in the 1st and take who's still there.

 

[Lansdowne]

We aren’t drafting Campbell at 4 if we aren’t certain he will be the LT for the next 5 years.

That is the thing that gives me hope. Vrabel has already gone through this with Peter Skoronski two years back. I doubt he'll repeat that mistake. If it's Campbell it's because he's confident that he's a tackle not a guard.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

We aren’t drafting Campbell at 4 if we aren’t certain he will be the LT for the next 5 years.

Not necessarily true. It could be that they see him transitioning to LG but they're just that down on the rest of the options that they still think it's worth it.

 

[Ring 6]

Not necessarily true. It could be that they see him transitioning to LG but they're just that down on the rest of the options that they still think it's worth it.

No. You dint draft a LT at 4 if you don’t think he’s a LT and there are dozens of other players that would be a better option than that.

 

[Peachhead]

Campbell can certainly be an OK transition at LT for a year. That is worst case. After all, the other choice is Lowe. The best case is that we have our LT for the next 10 years.
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We will be better able to judge our needs next year with Campbell on board, actually giving us flexibility. Going into free agency next year, we will need help on the OL. I can't predict where. No one else can predict where the help will be needed.

Strange may or may not be on the team. If he is, he may be our center.

Others might step up at center or guard.
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Unless we are sold on Banks or Connerly, Campbell seems to be no-brainer. Obviously, we would prefer to draft him at 6; later doesn't seem possible.

LT is our biggest need. But it's not our only need. Why pass up very good players at #4 that would settle our non-OL needs better over the long-term to take a guy that's only going to be okay for the role he was drafted, only to be transitioned to another position (that he's never played) in a year?

If we're in the OL or bust mindset: If we're going to draft Campbell with the idea that "if he doesn't excel at LT we can always move him to OG (where he's never played) in a year and hope he does well there", wouldn't be better to draft Membou with the mindset "if Membou doesn't excel at LT, where he has played (don't believe the people who say he never has, the videos are easy to find), he can always be moved to RT in a year.
If both Campbell and Membou fail at LT, isn't it better to have spent #4 on a stud RT, instead of a possible OG?

 

[moosekill]

yes it would suck

 

[Lansdowne]

LT is our biggest need. But it's not our only need. Why pass up very good players at #4 that would settle our non-OL needs better over the long-term to take a guy that's only going to be okay for the role he was drafted, only to be transitioned to another position (that he's never played) in a year?

If we're in the OL or bust mindset: If we're going to draft Campbell with the idea that "if he doesn't excel at LT we can always move him to OG (where he's never played) in a year and hope he does well there", wouldn't be better to draft Membou with the mindset "if Membou doesn't excel at LT, where he has played (don't believe the people who say he never has, the videos are easy to find), he can always be moved to RT in a year.
If both Campbell and Membou fail at LT, isn't it better to have spent #4 on a stud RT, instead of a possible OG?

This is why I think I’d prefer Membou if going OT at #4. At worst we know he can play RT, which is a long term need and at a premium position, and at best he’s a stud LT.

 

[imahobgoblin]

LT is our biggest need. But it's not our only need. Why pass up very good players at #4 that would settle our non-OL needs better over the long-term to take a guy that's only going to be okay for the role he was drafted, only to be transitioned to another position (that he's never played) in a year?

If we're in the OL or bust mindset: If we're going to draft Campbell with the idea that "if he doesn't excel at LT we can always move him to OG (where he's never played) in a year and hope he does well there", wouldn't be better to draft Membou with the mindset "if Membou doesn't excel at LT, where he has played (don't believe the people who say he never has, the videos are easy to find), he can always be moved to RT in a year.
If both Campbell and Membou fail at LT, isn't it better to have spent #4 on a stud RT, instead of a possible OG?

If they pick Campbell, they obviously believe he is better long term and the best player available for this team. They would have no intention of switching him to a different position and they are not planning on him being a guard. You cannot prove there is a better player at #4 than Campbell. It may be your opinion there is, but that is all it is. No matter who the pick, its always a gamble. There is no guarantee Membou will be a stud RT. You post is just full of assumptions.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Yess! to your question the #4 overall Selection should be an IMPACT Starter. Anything less is a failure.

Agreed. You don't spend the #4 overall pick unless he can be your franchise tackle for a decade.

I would far prefer to trade down if that's the case.

 

[VJCPatriot]

This is getting interesting watching J Dart gives me goosebumps he's a really fine player. Penix Jr went Eight overall last year and JJ McCarthy went Top 10. Bo Nix went #12 Dart > than all of them.

I really hope the Giants shock the world and take Dart at #3. It would be a bold move and that would give us ONE of Carter/Hunter.