BB's new book has no mention of Bob Kraft - admits shocking mistake

[RobertWeathers]

From his own words.. he had it in his mind for a few seasons.. especially when the Guerr situation happened.

The other part of this whole situation was Tom's evolution as a global brand and as a person. He felt he deserved to be treated differently. I think if Bill adjusted the dynamic of his relationship with Tom to be more symbiotic and not coach/player, there might have been a chance he stayed. Obviously, Bill never wanted (or was capable) to change how he treated Tom and that was that. That led to the whole "I pled the 5th" comment, the passive aggressive doc Tom produced, and the meeting w/ Ross in Miami. Tom had had it thus the "tension". With that said, by Bill "changing" to appease one player and in his estimation that meant he was giving up his ability to govern the team.....and he wasn't doing that under any circumstance and I understand why.

Look at history. People seem not know that every HoF coach had an uneasy/dysfunctional relationship with their HoF QB. Noll/Bradshaw. Landry/Staubach. Lombardi/Starr. Walsh/Montana. Brown/Graham....

The relationship BB and Tom had was the norm - not the exception.

 

[Wozzy]

Has nothing to do with the documentary. Brady literally just had a blog post in the last month where he flat out said it.

"After twenty years together, a natural tension had developed between where Coach Belichick and I were headed in our careers, and where the Patriots were moving as a franchise," Brady wrote. "It was the kind of tension that could only be resolved by some kind of split or one of us reassessing our priorities."

Like the split with his wife, they only made it 13 years...

I'm pretty sure Tom cared more what his wife thought. It still didn't work.

 

[lancerman]

Like the split with his wife, they only made it 13 years...

I'm pretty sure Tom cared more what his wife thought. It still didn't work.

If you aren't going to believe what he says on the matter, it's just because you don't want to.

 

[Wozzy]

The other part of this whole situation was Tom's evolution as a global brand and as person. He felt he deserved to be treated differently. I think if Bill adjusted the dynamic of his relationship with Tom to be more symbiotic and not coach/player, there might have been a chance he stayed. Obviously, Bill never wanted (or was capable) to change how he treated Tom and that was that. That led to the whole "I pled the 5th" comment, the passive aggressive doc Tom produced, and the meeting w/ Ross in Miami. Tom had had it thus the "tension". With that said, by Bill "changing" to appease one player and in his estimation that meant he was giving up his ability to govern the team.....and he wasn't doing that under any circumstance and I understand why.

Look at history. People seem not know that every HoF coach had an uneasy/dysfunctional relationship with their HoF QB. Noll/Bradshaw. Landry/Staubach. Lombardi/Starr. Walsh/Montana. Brown/Graham....

The relationship BB and Tom had was the norm - not the exception.

It certainly wasn't Bill who changed.

Tom was better when he was pushed and prodded, he played better when some idiot opponent started chirping at him, he automatically improved when he had JimmyG nipping at his heels. He got Arians fired and the entire Buc's team fell off a cliff.

The problem with this thread and fanboy assumption is that Tom is always correct and shts gold nuggets. Nobody is perfect, not Bob, not Bill, not Tom.

 

[Wozzy]

If you aren't going to believe what he says on the matter, it's just because you don't want to.

Feelings don't mean sht in relation to millions of dollars and the opinion of your wife... the big difference is Tom couldn't slam his wife and the mother of his children on a documentary.

 

[Steve102]

The other part of this whole situation was Tom's evolution as a global brand and as person. He felt he deserved to be treated differently. I think if Bill adjusted the dynamic of his relationship with Tom to be more symbiotic and not coach/player, there might have been a chance he stayed. Obviously, Bill never wanted (or was capable) to change how he treated Tom and that was that. That led to the whole "I pled the 5th" comment, the passive aggressive doc Tom produced, and the meeting w/ Ross in Miami. Tom had had it thus the "tension". With that said, by Bill "changing" to appease one player and in his estimation that meant he was giving up his ability to govern the team.....and he wasn't doing that under any circumstance and I understand why.

Look at history. People seem not know that every HoF coach had an uneasy/dysfunctional relationship with their HoF QB. Noll/Bradshaw. Landry/Staubach. Lombardi/Starr. Walsh/Montana. Brown/Graham....

The relationship BB and Tom had was the norm - not the exception.

I have been saying this for years, I am glad I am not the only one who thought this.

I can hear Bill in my head.
Jeezuzchrist. I have coached the greatest player in the NFL before. Can you imagine if I changed my style to suit LT? It would have been fekkin' chaos! When he's gone, I'll coach another greatest of all time player. I ain't changin' for this guy, or anyone else.

I don't think Bill was capable of that change. He does what he does and it works. Until it didn't.

 

[Real fan 02]

Huh?

It was a joke wozz..

 

[Wozzy]

It was a joke wozz..

It read like broken English, I didn't understand what you were trying to say.

 

[Real fan 02]

It read like broken English, I didn't understand what you were trying to say.

LOL.. I was saying that brady made over 300 million if not more in his career.. and that alone could be enough for all of us on the forum to live off..

 

[Real fan 02]

The other part of this whole situation was Tom's evolution as a global brand and as person. He felt he deserved to be treated differently. I think if Bill adjusted the dynamic of his relationship with Tom to be more symbiotic and not coach/player, there might have been a chance he stayed. Obviously, Bill never wanted (or was capable) to change how he treated Tom and that was that. That led to the whole "I pled the 5th" comment, the passive aggressive doc Tom produced, and the meeting w/ Ross in Miami. Tom had had it thus the "tension". With that said, by Bill "changing" to appease one player and in his estimation that meant he was giving up his ability to govern the team.....and he wasn't doing that under any circumstance and I understand why.

Look at history. People seem not know that every HoF coach had an uneasy/dysfunctional relationship with their HoF QB. Noll/Bradshaw. Landry/Staubach. Lombardi/Starr. Walsh/Montana. Brown/Graham....

The relationship BB and Tom had was the norm - not the exception.

Spot on!!!

Bill said himself that he and the coaching staff had to constantly try to find ways to motivate brady.. as he was also so self motivated as a player. The way Bill coached brady is what drove him. To your points as brady evolved into a brand seemingly the way Bill coached him never evolved. I believe they both have a good relationship today. Brady's even tearing up when asked by McAfee what Bill meant to him as a coach. Brady never let the fact he was the 199th pick go forgotten in his mind.

 

[Real fan 02]

The other part of this whole situation was Tom's evolution as a global brand and as person. He felt he deserved to be treated differently. I think if Bill adjusted the dynamic of his relationship with Tom to be more symbiotic and not coach/player, there might have been a chance he stayed. Obviously, Bill never wanted (or was capable) to change how he treated Tom and that was that. That led to the whole "I pled the 5th" comment, the passive aggressive doc Tom produced, and the meeting w/ Ross in Miami. Tom had had it thus the "tension". With that said, by Bill "changing" to appease one player and in his estimation that meant he was giving up his ability to govern the team.....and he wasn't doing that under any circumstance and I understand why.

Look at history. People seem not know that every HoF coach had an uneasy/dysfunctional relationship with their HoF QB. Noll/Bradshaw. Landry/Staubach. Lombardi/Starr. Walsh/Montana. Brown/Graham....

The relationship BB and Tom had was the norm - not the exception.

 

[Wozzy]

LOL.. I was saying that brady made over 300 million if not more in his career.. and that alone could be enough for all of us on the forum to live off..

I could live off a case of Sam Adams and Beer Nuts.

 

[n1997y]

I could live off a case of Sam Adams and Beer Nuts.

A case, for the rest of your life? Not planning to live very long are you? I guess that nutritional abomination of a diet will kill you, just surprised at how fast you think that will happen.

I’d want at least a few more cases than just one….

 

[RobertWeathers]

I have been saying this for years, I am glad I am not the only one who thought this.

I can hear Bill in my head.
Jeezuzchrist. I have coached the greatest player in the NFL before. Can you imagine if I changed my style to suit LT? It would have been fekkin' chaos! When he's gone, I'll coach another greatest of all time player. I ain't changin' for this guy, or anyone else.

I don't think Bill was capable of that change. He does what he does and it works. Until it didn't.

Yep.
To Tom's credit, he understood why BB treated him the way he did. It wasn't personal and he didn't take it as such. He did it because he felt it was for the good of the team. Calling him out in meetings. Guerrero. Contracts. etc. Tom just got sick of it.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yep.
To Tom's credit, he understood why BB treated him the way he did. It wasn't personal and he didn't take it as such. He did it because he felt it was for the good of the team. Calling him out in meetings. Guerrero. Contracts. etc. Tom just got sick of it.

Bill,

Likely never saw the need to change his coaching style becuase as we all know it was effective and it's the way brady was wired.. tough coaching fueled him.

In watching Vrabel speak recently he mentioned about how Drake had similar elements to wanting tough coaching.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Bill,

Likely never saw the need to change his coaching style becuase as we all know it was effective and it's the way brady was wired.. tough coaching fueled him.

In watching Vrabel speak recently he mentioned about how Drake had similar elements to wanting tough coaching.

Bill's coaching style wasn't the problem, it was the lack of talent. If you put a bunch of Jordan Richards' out there on defense and N'Keal Harry's on offense, no amount of coaching will save them especially when you don't have a capable QB. Speaking of, If Mac Jones was an elite QB, Bill is still here.

 

[Real fan 02]

Bill's coaching style wasn't the problem, it was the lack of talent. If you put a bunch of Jordan Richards' out there on defense and N'Keal Harry's on offense, no amount of coaching will save them especially when you don't have a capable QB. Speaking of, If Mac Jones was an elite QB, Bill is still here.

Agreed. Bills coaching wasn't the issue at all. Yes! On Jones.. I was even watching a clip of Jones from 2022 the Patricia debacle.. his throws in Comparison to Drake are like night and day. Wasn't Richard's a 2nd rounder?? Reasons being why we still won 11 games in 2008 is talent we had Moss and welker still.

 

[pazrul72]

I have been saying this for years, I am glad I am not the only one who thought this.

I can hear Bill in my head.
Jeezuzchrist. I have coached the greatest player in the NFL before. Can you imagine if I changed my style to suit LT? It would have been fekkin' chaos! When he's gone, I'll coach another greatest of all time player. I ain't changin' for this guy, or anyone else.

I don't think Bill was capable of that change. He does what he does and it works. Until it didn't.

This got me thinking, between Brady, Gronk, Moss, and the real LT Belichick has coached 4 of the top 20 players of all time. Is there any other coach even close to that? Fun exercise for another time when its not so close to the draft, build the best BB team possible. Between Law, Revis, and Gilmore NOBODY is throwing on them.

 

[Steve102]

This got me thinking, between Brady, Gronk, Moss, and the real LT Belichick has coached 4 of the top 20 players of all time. Is there any other coach even close to that? Fun exercise for another time when its not so close to the draft, build the best BB team possible. Between Law, Revis, and Gilmore NOBODY is throwing on them.

That'll be a fun exercise. We need to come back to it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That'll be a fun exercise. We need to come back to it.

F-it i'll do it now. Players from CLE, NEP, NYG, NYJ

QB- Brady
RB- Dillion
RB2- C-Mart
FB- Maurice Carthon
3rd Down- James White
TE1- Gronk
TE2- Bavaro (no way i'm leaving him off this team)
WR1- Moss
WR2- Keenan McCardell (CLE)
WR3- Wes

LT- Jumbo Elliott, LG- Mankins C- Mawae RG- Brian Watters RT- Fabini

RE- Seymour
NT- Ted Washington
LE- Leonard Marshall
ROLB- LT
RILB- Pepper
LILB- Carson
LOLB- Willie
RCB- Revis
LCB- Law
CB3- Everson Walls
SS- Rodney
FS- Eric Turner (Devin and Terry Kinard get a strong mention)
K- Adam
P- Tupa