PATRIOTS NEWS Parcells going in Patriots HoF

[TheRainMaker]

Alternate Universe Question:

Lets say Kraft fired Parcells right before Super Bowl week and after the McDonough article. Who is named HC of the NEP for the SB?

At the time, BB was the Assistant HC.

That would have been interesting.

Probably BB. Now had he won the game would've been interesting. He obviously gets the HC job in 1997 and Parcells probably isn't able to poach the staff.

BB of course and Drew wins the SB and then goes on to lead the team to several more in '01, '03, & '04. Brady goes to San Fran where he sits behind Jeff Garcia for several years before finally getting a chance to start and then goes on to lose in 07 but secures his starting job. Eventually winning 4 in '14, '16, '18, and '20.

Kraft still fires Bill who then goes to the Giants and wins 2 there. We are still regretting that choice and waiting on Vrabel to save us.

Pats got criticized for not running the ball, but nobody was running on that front. GB looked unbeatable in 1996. The two backbreaking plays were the busted coverage on the first passing play of the game and the Desmond Howard TD. Take away those two plays and the Pats were in the game. As we saw the following year, if you stay in the game long enough, Favre will throw a pick.

As for Brady, he would've taken over after Garcia got injured in 2003 and Brady would've been the starter by 2004. Garcia was a pretty damn good QB, but surrounded by a really bad defense. Unless Owens had playing time with Brady, I think he still leaves for the Eagles in 2004. Because of this, Brady struggles pretty badly with the 49ers. They were a **** show for a long time after Young.

 

[Hyped]

Well deserved.

The man left a TV job to take on a team that was 9-39 over three seasons. He went 34-34 and took us to a Superbowl that was actually a close game until Desmond Howard broke it open and Reggie White started mowing down Max Lane.

He left behind a good team for Carroll who went 10-6, 9-7, and 8-8 in three seasons with Zampese's maddening timing route offense.....

Also, he (and Grier) drafted these *KEY* players: Drew Bledsoe, Ted Johnson, Willie McGinest, Chris Slade, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Adam Vinatieri (UDFA), Tedy Bruschi, and Troy Brown....several of these players contributed to the 2001 Superbowl team.

 

[signbabybrady]

Probably BB. Now had he won the game would've been interesting. He obviously gets the HC job in 1997 and Parcells probably isn't able to poach the staff.

GB was just unbeatable in 1996. Pats got criticized for not running the ball, but nobody was running on that front. The two backbreaking plays were the busted coverage on the first passing play of the game and the Desmond Howard TD.

As for Brady, he would've taken over after Garcia got injured in 2003 and Brady would've been the starter by 2004. Garcia was a pretty damn good QB, but surrounded by a really bad defense. Unless Owens had playing time with Brady, I think he still leaves for the Eagles in 2004. Because of this, Brady struggles pretty badly with the 49ers. They were a **** show for a long time after Young.

You're not giving Brady or Bill enough credit. You can make up your own alternate universe but I reject your criticism of mine lol.

 

[Steve102]

Alternate Universe Question:

Lets say Kraft fired Parcells right before Super Bowl week and after the McDonough article. Who is named HC of the NEP for the SB?

At the time, BB was the Assistant HC.

That would have been interesting.

They woulda won.

Truthfully, I kinda doubt it. Reggie White killed Max Lane. Maybe. It would be neat to put it in an alternate universe simulator and see what happens.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You're not giving Brady or Bill enough credit. You can make up your own alternate universe but I reject your criticism of mine lol.

I wasn't criticizing your alternate universe. Just pointing out the 49ers were really bad in the 2000's both with management and coaching. Brady wouldn't have been able to overcome that, especially early in his career with their terrible defenses. Belichick's early teams allowed him to develop.

You're also asking a lot from Bill to just take over as HC from Parcells and win a Super Bowl with hardly any prep time.

But again, if that's your universe, cool.

 

[sb1]

April Fools?

 

[signbabybrady]

I wasn't criticizing your alternate universe. Just pointing out the 49ers were really bad in the 2000's both with management and coaching. Brady wouldn't have been able to overcome that, especially early in his career with their terrible defenses. Belichick's early teams allowed him to develop.

You're also asking a lot from Bill to just take over as HC from Parcells and win a Super Bowl with hardly any prep time.

But again, if that's your universe, cool.

Bill and Brady could easily handle it. No doubt about it.

 

[lancerman]

4 seasons in New England. 2 of them losing. Unless he did something in the 30 years since that I'm not aware of he didn't earn it in the 4 he was here.

This it comes off as desperate. Like maybe if we were still a poverty franchise I guess.

But this is like saying Dan Quinn should be in the Falcons HOF. Parcells is a HOF coach, it just has nothing to do with what he did here.

 

[Steve102]

I wasn't criticizing your alternate universe. Just pointing out the 49ers were really bad in the 2000's both with management and coaching. Brady wouldn't have been able to overcome that, especially early in his career with their terrible defenses. Belichick's early teams allowed him to develop.

You're also asking a lot from Bill to just take over as HC from Parcells and win a Super Bowl with hardly any prep time.

But again, if that's your universe, cool.

And it doesn't change the fact the Reggie White threw Max Lane around like a toy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They woulda won.

Truthfully, I kinda doubt it. Reggie White killed Max Lane. Maybe. It would be neat to put it in an alternate universe simulator and see what happens.

Aside from Favre when he was in his prime and "managed" by Holmgren, their offense was loaded and even lost their WR1 from the prior year. WRs, TEs, RBs. OL was solid. They had the #1 D in points and yards allowed. A team worthy of a SB title.

Thats what is so frustrating.....GB was the superior team and if a couple of plays go the other way, better coaching (TE to help Max Lane, don't kick to Howard) it could have gone the other way. Our D shut down their O in the 2nd 1/2. It was 27-21 late in Q3. We had the momentum. Then it was gone in seconds.

People give BB a hard time over benching Malcolm...What Parcells did was 1000 times worse.

 

[sb1]

Interesting that he's going in as a "Contributor" and not Head Coach. Sullivan is the only other contributor in the Pats HOF. Scar is in as an "Assistant Coach" FWIW.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

No.

 

[Joey007]

It is funny, in a vacuum: Parcells the coach did not do much during his time here that Raymond Berry did not. Had a couple winning seasons, along with a Super Bowl berth. Berry is likely never getting into the Pats hall.

You could argue Parcells took over a worse team? But that’s really it. The resumes as a coach are similar.

I think a lot of the push for his induction more involves around the players he did bring in during his time here. A large portion of the defensive nucleus for the eventual dynasty was brought in under his watch. Willie, Lawyer, Law, Bruschi, Ted Johnson. Not to mention finding a gem like Troy Brown on offense, drafting Bledsoe, Martin, etc.

Parcells the GM seems to be why he’s getting in, which is incredibly ironic since that’s the whole reason he left. Not being able to be the GM.

 

[FCB02062]

That it took this long just shows how much of a petty little scat back of a weasel from Yale Columbia we have down there at One Patriot Place

 

[yukon cornelius]

It is funny, in a vacuum: Parcells the coach did not do much during his time here that Raymond Berry did not. Had a couple winning seasons, along with a Super Bowl berth. Berry is likely never getting into the Pats hall.

You could argue Parcells took over a worse team? But that’s really it. The resumes as a coach are similar.

I think a lot of the push for his induction more involves around the players he did bring in during his time here. A large portion of the defensive nucleus for the eventual dynasty was brought in under his watch. Willie, Lawyer, Law, Bruschi, Ted Johnson. Not to mention finding a gem like Troy Brown on offense, drafting Bledsoe, Martin, etc.

Parcells the GM seems to be why he’s getting in, which is incredibly ironic since that’s the whole reason he left. Not being able to be the GM.

so is Grier also going in?

I mean he was in charge of personnel for all of the "Parcell's" drafts.....he was the #1 guy pushing to draft brady........seems like he is more deserving than BP?

 

[Joey007]

so is Grier also going in?

I mean he was in charge of personnel for all of the "Parcell's" drafts.....he was the #1 guy pushing to draft brady........seems like he is more deserving than BP?

Yeah it was clear that Parcells was still the one in charge.

Grier has the blood of 97-99 drafts on his hands

 

[VJCPatriot]

People have gotten in having done less. Parcells didn't quite deliver what he promised but he did return the Patriots back to competitive form. You have to ask if Parcells can get in, why not Pete Carroll then?

 

[RobertWeathers]

People have gotten in having done less. Parcells didn't quite deliver what he promised but he did return the Patriots back to competitive form. You have to ask if Parcells can get in, why not Pete Carroll then?

He didn't build nor take them to the SB. During Pom-Pom's time as HC, the team went into decline.

 

[RobertWeathers]

so is Grier also going in?

I mean he was in charge of personnel for all of the "Parcell's" drafts.....he was the #1 guy pushing to draft brady........seems like he is more deserving than BP?

God no. Notorious BIG ran this franchise into the ground.

Pushing for Brady isn't the same as drafting Brady.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Yeah it was clear that Parcells was still the one in charge.

Grier has the blood of 97-99 drafts on his hands

honestly if robert edwards had the career he should have had, and if katzenmoyer hadnb't hurt his neck, those 3 years weren't horrible.......a couple of misses high in the draft, but the majority of the guys he drafted stayed in the league higher than league average for their draft position......they weren't great years, and after the 3 years previous they looked a little sketchy in comparison, but.....we've had worse lol