Caedan Wallace?

[Real fan 02]

eh, its just common sense... hes under contract for for cheap money through 2027... it doesn't hurt to keep him around as a developmental prospect as an OT... depth is good, and having a decent swing tackle is worth the investment in time and the roster spot... if he pans out, great, and if he doesn't or we find someone else who can play better, then you can let him go...

Perfectly put! At what point are we going to actually develop guys so that can help the farm system like we used too. Or else posters will be here next year going over the next draft hopefuls.

Wallace and Robinson were rookies in a terrible situation last season. They will be given all the necessary things to succeed as NFL players. I've said myself we need to just aquire as much depth on the line and let guys define thier roles by thier performances. Hard to say they flat out suck when Jacobs and Benny Brown were retained. That's an admission that the situation last season had alot to do with it.

 

[Pape]

Perfectly put! At what point are we going to actually develop guys so that can help the farm system like we used too. Or else posters will be here next year going over the next draft hopefuls.

Wallace and Robinson were rookies in a terrible situation last season. They will be given all the necessary things to succeed as NFL players. I've said myself we need to just aquire as much depth on the line and let guys define thier roles by thier performances. Hard to say they flat out suck when Jacobs and Benny Brown were retained. That's an admission that the situation last season had alot to do with it.

I hope for the players to develop... it would be nice to put one or two in the win column...

but i get where tommy is coming from... seems like we have had a rotating cast of characters along the line, with hardly any of them developing into starting level talent while here... Garcia, McDermott, Jackson, Froholdt, Cajuste, Woodard, Herron, Sherman, Hines, Steuber... even isaiah wynn for that matter... we have basically hit on three guys Karras, Strange and Onwenu, so there is a point to his post...

but we hope for the best...

 

[Ross12]

I don't understand this propensity from some of the fanbase to convince themselves and others - the people they SAW, with their OWN EYES, completely suck as part of the worst offensive line of the past 20 ****ing years, and they're somehow good, or just need more time.

What is this about?

I personally am giving the entire rookie class a lot of leniency because it felt like none of them were getting proper guidance as new players into the league. The only exceptions were the QBs.

I don’t expect Wallace to suddenly become great but I wouldn’t be surprised if, with proper guidance and coaching and some stability with his role, he could step up and become a good backup.

 

[Real fan 02]

I hope for the players to develop... it would be nice to put one or two in the win column...

but i get where tommy is coming from... seems like we have had a rotating cast of characters along the line, with hardly any of them developing into starting level talent while here... Garcia, McDermott, Jackson, Froholdt, Cajuste, Woodard, Herron, Sherman, Hines, Steuber... even isaiah wynn for that matter... we have basically hit on three guys Karras, Strange and Onwenu, so there is a point to his post...

but we hope for the best...

Absolutely! and I get Tommy..and PatsFan2 both what they are saying.. as they both are correct.

However we have been in this wash cycle for 5 seasons... I'm just simply looking at it like.. let's correctly develop the guys we draft, and hope that they can turn out to be contributing players. The common denominator here is of all those players you mentioned is that they had what Wallace and Robinson didn't last season top notch coaching and structure. Now they do. So it's up to them to dictate where thier careers go from here on.

 

[Wozzy]

I hope for the players to develop... it would be nice to put one or two in the win column...

but i get where tommy is coming from... seems like we have had a rotating cast of characters along the line, with hardly any of them developing into starting level talent while here... Garcia, McDermott, Jackson, Froholdt, Cajuste, Woodard, Herron, Sherman, Hines, Steuber... even isaiah wynn for that matter... we have basically hit on three guys Karras, Strange and Onwenu, so there is a point to his post...

but we hope for the best...

Froholdt is a high quality starter for Arizona and he played well for us as a rookie. Exposing him to waivers was a big mistake.

Wynn also played for a pretty long time, he wasn’t worth the high pick spent on him but there’s very little to account for injuries.

Sidy Sow played the third most offensive snaps on the team as a rookie, by seasons end he was playing well on a bad team. He should have been starting last year when he came back from injury but either the coaches were morons or were being told to play Wolf’s rookies from above. I hope he comes back with purpose this season.

Jake Andrews also got some crucial learning snaps in the final game as a rookie, prior to that he was David Andrews primary backup. If Bradbury gets hurt or simply falters we may be thankful for Andrews being there. He is a plus athlete and is strong. I’m not giving up on him yet assuming he is healthy.

I’m not putting a lot of faith in Wallace or Layden Robinson, in past drafts they would have been drafted later than they were. Wolf reached after Drake Maye…

 

[Real fan 02]

I personally am giving the entire rookie class a lot of leniency because it felt like none of them were getting proper guidance as new players into the league. The only exceptions were the QBs.

I don’t expect Wallace to suddenly become great but I wouldn’t be surprised if, with proper guidance and coaching and some stability with his role, he could step up and become a good backup.

Agreed Ross also by Vrabel extending Jacobs and brown who were both starters on the 32nd ranked OL.. to me is an admission in a sense from the team that Jerod Rust and the volunteer Coaching staff had alot to do with the performances.

 

[Real fan 02]

Froholdt is a high quality starter for Arizona and he played well for us as a rookie. Exposing him to waivers was a big mistake.

Wynn also played for a pretty long time, he wasn’t worth the high pick spent on him but there’s very little to account for injuries.

Sidy Sow played the third most offensive snaps on the team as a rookie, by seasons end he was playing well on a bad team. He should have been starting last year when he came back from injury but either the coaches were morons or were being told to play Wolf’s rookies from above. I hope he comes back with purpose this season.

Jake Andrews also got some crucial learning snaps in the final game as a rookie, prior to that he was David Andrews primary backup. If Bradbury gets hurt or simply falters we may be thankful for Andrews being there. He is a plus athlete and is strong. I’m not giving up on him yet assuming he is healthy.

I’m not putting a lot of faith in Wallace or Layden Robinson, in past drafts they would have been drafted later than they were. Wolf reached after Drake Maye…

As I mentioned to pape.. all those players had the benefit of BB, Scar,Josh for the most part in a sound structured environment.

Wallace and Robinson had none of wich last season.

 

[Wozzy]

As I mentioned to pape.. all those players had the benefit of BB, Scar,Josh for the most part in a sound structured environment.

Wallace and Robinson had none of wich last season.

They have good not great athletic talent and outright poor mobility, they also weren’t strong leaving college.

If they enter camp 15-20 pounds heavier in muscle I’ll give them an outside chance at contributing… but like Polk, Baker and the rest of Wolf’s picks the Pats shouldn’t rely on them for anything.

 

[Ross12]

Agreed Ross also by Vrabel extending Jacobs and brown who were both starters on the 32nd ranked OL.. to me is an admission in a sense from the team that Jerod Rust and the volunteer Coaching staff had alot to do with the performances.

Brown and Jacobs (and probably Wallace) are also likely better fits in this scheme versus the outside zone

 

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

Especially since Wolf is a moron who had NO idea where to put anyone on the line. Wallace was an average RT in COLLEGE and Wolf was like…heck yeah…that’s my LT right there

Average RT in College - yes. He was rated a day 2 prospect by NFL people (not the mocks/media). That's where the Pats took him - round 3. No issue there. Paul Parillo noted the Pats would be good in the long haul if they could work in Wallace and Layden Robinson by end of year to see if they could be go-forward starters. That's what you hope for with a 3rd round pick.

That Wolf made a passing comment that Wallace could end up moving to LT is fine. It's a projection consideration in player eval and not an absolute. Nor was there any timeline teathered to that. But here we translate that into statements of guarantee at our whim and pleasure for what purpose? And then we add in that the guy is no good if he's not starting week 1 of his rookie year, and on top of that moved over to a new position at LT? Reality. Reality is nothing is set with Caeden Wallace nor any 3rd rounder going forward. Wallace was a rookie with potential that got hurt and wasn't ready for Sept regardless of injury. But he has the frame/athleticism to work in over time. Possibly. We'll know more after this year and can cast judgement in year 3. Not last April or in Sept or this summer or fall.

 

[Real fan 02]

Brown and Jacobs (and probably Wallace) are also like better fits in this scheme versus the outside zone

Agreed. I thought Benny Brown played well for stretches... he definitely figures to be in the running with Bradbury for C.

We need to get back to development than just assuming a player sucks after one rookie season.. for example. imagine if we never moved McCourty to S.. he had a all pro rookie season and struggled his second season. Wich was the best move BB could have done for D Macs career.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wallace will get his shot to prove he can play at this level.

Too soon to say he sucks. Got hurt. Mess of an offensive operation, etc

 

[Real fan 02]

They have good not great athletic talent and outright poor mobility, they also weren’t strong leaving college.

If they enter camp 15-20 pounds heavier in muscle I’ll give them an outside chance at contributing… but like Polk, Baker and the rest of Wolf’s picks the Pats shouldn’t rely on them for anything.

Wallace was moving guys in camp and was with the starting unit early on.. I believe him getting hurt affected his play the rest of the season.. those ankle issues are season long issues.. like Dugger had. On Polk and baker they Will be properly developed and give everything they need to succeed as pros. They aren't being heavily relied upon like last season unless injuries start to pile up.

 

[Pape]

Froholdt is a high quality starter for Arizona and he played well for us as a rookie. Exposing him to waivers was a big mistake.

Wynn also played for a pretty long time, he wasn’t worth the high pick spent on him but there’s very little to account for injuries.

Sidy Sow played the third most offensive snaps on the team as a rookie, by seasons end he was playing well on a bad team. He should have been starting last year when he came back from injury but either the coaches were morons or were being told to play Wolf’s rookies from above. I hope he comes back with purpose this season.

Jake Andrews also got some crucial learning snaps in the final game as a rookie, prior to that he was David Andrews primary backup. If Bradbury gets hurt or simply falters we may be thankful for Andrews being there. He is a plus athlete and is strong. I’m not giving up on him yet assuming he is healthy.

I’m not putting a lot of faith in Wallace or Layden Robinson, in past drafts they would have been drafted later than they were. Wolf reached after Drake Maye…

Froholdt is exactly why I said "while here"

and I whiffed on Sow... completely forgot about him... which maybe says something... or maybe it doesn't... ymmv

whether its true or not, the inability to develop linemen over the last 7 or 8 years is based on my perception because the line never really solidified, and has been in flux over that period of time for the most part, least to my reckoning... we kept waiting for guys to step up, they never did...

 

[Real fan 02]

Wallace will get his shot to prove he can play at this level.

Too soon to say he sucks. Got hurt. Mess of an offensive operation, etc

Absolutely agree RW..

 

[Real fan 02]

Froholdt is exactly why I said "while here"

and I whiffed on Sow... completely forgot about him... which maybe says something... or maybe it doesn't... ymmv

whether its true or not, the inability to develop linemen over the last 7 or 8 years is based on my perception because the line never really solidified, and has been in flux over that period of time for the most part, least to my reckoning

Sow is an interesting player.. because see I thought he played well.. what happened to him??

 

[Real fan 02]

Froholdt is exactly why I said "while here"

and I whiffed on Sow... completely forgot about him... which maybe says something... or maybe it doesn't... ymmv

whether its true or not, the inability to develop linemen over the last 7 or 8 years is based on my perception because the line never really solidified, and has been in flux over that period of time for the most part, least to my reckoning

Don't worry about your blinsside Drake..

 

[Zoomnbyu]

I don't think we would have signed Moses if they had faith in Caedan Wallace.

Reaching here but what if the plan was have Wallace train at LT all off season and insert him there?

 

[Pape]

Sow is an interesting player.. because see I thought he played well.. what happened to him??

first part of last year he had a balky ankle... the rest of the season? he just did not play, and when he did he did not play well... maybe his 2023 play was better bouyed by having a more consistent center and tackle play from Andrews & Onwenu than the mess that was last year?

 

[Real fan 02]

first part of last year he had a balky ankle... the rest of the season? he just did not play, and when he did he did not play well... maybe his 2003 play was better bouyed by having a more consistent center and tackle play from Andrews & Onwenu than last year?

Got it. He was at LG right? He filled in for strange I think?