There is NO reason to not spend cap space

[Ring 6]

Oh you can make up what ever crap you want. I said nothing of the sort. I just think its funny how you want to throw away $100 million on trash players because you are not throwing away your money. I do think we need to spend to the cap if possible. I don't think we should buy trash to make you happy.

We need to get the best players we can with all of the cap dollars available. It’s responsibility of the owner to put the best product on the field and spend what it takes.
There has not been a single player I’ve wanted wouldn’t make the team better or that has a cost we couldn’t afford the cap.
I could not care less about how much it costs Kraft.

Not sure what “trash players” you are talking about sounding $100,000 on but I think you are full of **** with that

 

[maust]

Oh you can make up what ever crap you want. I said nothing of the sort.

We both know that's never stopped Andy before

 

[billdog3484]

A) They've spent, BY FAR, the most of any team.
B) There's a salary cap floor every year, so he has to spend.
C) Owners don't get to pocket unused cap space from revenue sharing.
D) Owners lose money if their team is bad since the value of the team to the owner is in shares.

Bob or Jonathan is this you?

 

[billdog3484]

A) They've spent, BY FAR, the most of any team.
B) There's a salary cap floor every year, so he has to spend.
C) Owners don't get to pocket unused cap space from revenue sharing.
D) Owners lose money if their team is bad since the value of the team to the owner is in shares.

After thinking about this some more…this is the most embarassing post I think I’ve ever seen here

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Right now, the base cap of $279M works out to about $5.2M cap space per spot on the 53-man roster. Every dollar under that amount is a dollar a team can spend on another roster spot; every dollar over is a dollar that needs to be cut from another roster spot.

There are several issues with spending "just because" (or, as Mayo put it, having "money to burn"). First, you have to make up for it elsewhere, plus it's hard to get a good return on investment on a bad contract. Worst of all, it tends to push the market higher in the future. Just look at QBs, where Daniel Jones got a 4/$160M contract with $90M guaranteed. Yes, the cap is going up year over year, but it's not guaranteed to do that (see 2021).

They do need to spend more money, but there is a point where contracts become almost objectively bad, and they shouldn't go there unless absolutely unavoidable.

 

[VJCPatriot]

You don’t “spend” cap space. You spend cash. And they’ve spent a lot of it. Usually year one cap cost is less than cash spent. But it will even out. They still have cash to spend, probably around 50 million based on history, but 25 million of that will go to the #4 pick.

Let's be specific. 1st round pick salaries are slotted. They get a 4 year deal plus team option on 5th year. Here were the payments for the top 10 picks in the 2024 draft.



Let's say we keep the #4 pick and draft there. 34.54m/4 = 8.65m per year for our 1st round pick.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

It begins

My revolt against Kraft is brewing

This thread is simple, with thousands of others about cap sapce. Let it reverb around the globe within the forum, grow roots and became omniscient.


it benefits NO ONE. BUT KRAFT. To have CONTINUOSLY large amount of unused cap space in Professional Football


Not financially for the team

Not for short term production

Not for long term sustainance

Not for creating marketing

Not for fans of the team

Not for Maye to improve

ONLY. KRAFT. IS. GAINING.

Get your **** together you old pervert or any and all of your fans will burn

Omniscient means all-knowing/all-seeing.
You might mean omnipresent.
Semantics aside, I'm pro-spend-to-the-cap. I am assuming he issued some kind of comment or statement that it's not a priority this year (?) I've been out of it.
Otherwise, this is a surprising screed to read mid-March.

 

[JayNM]

Omniscient means all-knowing/all-seeing.
You might mean omnipresent.
Semantics aside, I'm pro-spend-to-the-cap. I am assuming he issued some kind of comment or statement that it's not a priority this year (?) I've been out of it.
Otherwise, this is a surprising screed to read mid-March.

yes, thanks for the correction

my terms are laid out, if we start the season as one of the team with the most cap space again, im going full rambo on any and all Kraft complimenting post

 

[EMpats]

Let's be specific. 1st round pick salaries are slotted. They get a 4 year deal plus team option on 5th year. Here were the payments for the top 10 picks in the 2024 draft.



Let's say we keep the #4 pick and draft there. 34.54m/4 = 8.65m per year for our 1st round pick.

Yes that is the total, but year one cash is much higher than the AAV. For example, due to the signing bonus, Marvin Harrison Jr received a cash payout of 23 million last year as the #4 pick. That goes down to 2 million this year. Teams care about the cash flow though. Whoever we pick will be getting a similar year one payout.

 

[stinkypete]

Remember 2022 and 2023 when we had to sit free agency out because we spent all our cap space on Nelson Agholor and Johnnu Smith? Let 2021 be a cautionary tale

I am all for spending to the cap, if they players are good. If the players are not good, I'd rather roll over the space.

 

[Ross12]

Remember 2022 and 2023 when we had to sit free agency out because we spent all our cap space on Nelson Agholor and Johnnu Smith? Let 2021 be a cautionary tale

I am all for spending to the cap, if they players are good. If the players are not good, I'd rather roll over the space.

Right.

If the Pats don’t go hog wild with spending this year then the leftover cap space will roll over into 2026 and let them make a few more moves, one such being extending Christian Gonzalez to a potentially record contract.

Teams that max out a high amount of cap space all in one year will pay for that in the ensuing couple of years as they will find themselves with little space leftover and nothing be rolled over.

I do think there’s more room to spend this year, and the Pats are looking to do so but they are not going to spend just to spend.

 

[Ring 6]

Remember 2022 and 2023 when we had to sit free agency out because we spent all our cap space on Nelson Agholor and Johnnu Smith? Let 2021 be a cautionary tale

I am all for spending to the cap, if they players are good. If the players are not good, I'd rather roll over the space.

Remember 2021 when it was the best year we have had in the last 5?

 

[Ring 6]

Right.

If the Pats don’t go hog wild with spending this year then the leftover cap space will roll over into 2026 and let them make a few more moves, one such being extending Christian Gonzalez to a potentially record contract.

Teams that max out a high amount of cap space all in one year will pay for that in the ensuing couple of years as they will find themselves with little space leftover and nothing be rolled over.

I do think there’s more room to spend this year, and the Pats are looking to do so but they are not going to spend just to spend.

They are 70 million under the cap. Last year when we didn’t spend our cap money everyone said that’s because we’d rather take 2024 off to play yong guys then spend it in 2025. Now you want to push it to 2026? When do we try to win?

 

[Ross12]

They are 70 million under the cap. Last year when we didn’t spend our cap money everyone said that’s because we’d rather take 2024 off to play yong guys then spend it in 2025. Now you want to push it to 2026? When do we try to win?

They are in the bottom third of cap space the next 2 years already. Would you rather they max out their cap space in 2024 on middling talent and shove themselves into the basement the next few years with no money to make any significant moves, or would you rather have them leave a bit this year to roll into next year and keep themselves in position to try to get higher end targets/contributors annually? Plus of course the upcoming extensions to Gonzo and Maye.

 

[yukon cornelius]

there's also no need to spend just to spend........

 

[imahobgoblin]

We both know that's never stopped Andy before

I wonder if he is turning into NEM.

 

[imahobgoblin]

We need to get the best players we can with all of the cap dollars available. It’s responsibility of the owner to put the best product on the field and spend what it takes.
There has not been a single player I’ve wanted wouldn’t make the team better or that has a cost we couldn’t afford the cap.
I could not care less about how much it costs Kraft.

Not sure what “trash players” you are talking about sounding $100,000 on but I think you are full of **** with that

No one cares what players you want. We need to get players who actually want to play here. This is not a video game. The players have wills of their own. Most free agents do not want to come here. Changing that will take time. You know exactly what trash players are. The Deshawn Watson contract was the biggest mistake in NFL history. He is trash. If you had your way, our roster would be filled with guys just like him. Oh yippeee, we would be at the cap. How exciting.

 

[Ring 6]

They are in the bottom third of cap space the next 2 years already. Would you rather they max out their cap space in 2024 on middling talent and shove themselves into the basement the next few years with no money to make any significant moves, or would you rather have them leave a bit this year to roll into next year and keep themselves in position to try to get a higher end targets/contributors annually? Plus of course the upcoming extensions to Gonzo and Maye.

Again, we heard the same thing last year. There are plenty of players that willl make the team better. You don’t spend to the cap by signing only top dollar guys. A philosophy of let’s not put the best team on the field today because maybe we will be better sometime in the future is defeatist

Of course you look at the cap long term. But that doesn’t mean give up now, it means you balance contracts so you spend to the cap.
Cap space is also a function what you have. If we sign a wr and thereby have less cap space we also have less need. Shooting to have more cap and more need is how we get where we are.

Players are what players are. You need every level of player to win. “Middling” players are all over championship rosters. They would be a huge upgrade to many spots on this roster. The free agents next year are going to loo like the free agents this year that looked like the free agents last year.

We have something like 50 mill of cap space next year and 125 in 2027
before the cap surely increases, any carryover, cuts etc. 50 mill is about what we spent this year.

There aren’t a lot of long term deal free agents out there, so what we should be doing with the cap we have left is filling the biggest holes, WR,WR,LT and the many weak spots we gs even depth largely with 1 or 2 year contracts.
The goal should be improving the team and using every resource to do so.

 

[Ring 6]

No one cares what players you want. We need to get players who actually want to play here. This is not a video game. The players have wills of their own. Most free agents do not want to come here. Changing that will take time. You know exactly what trash players are. The Deshawn Watson contract was the biggest mistake in NFL history. He is trash. If you had your way, our roster would be filled with guys just like him. Oh yippeee, we would be at the cap. How exciting.

So then no one cares what players you want. Was there a point?

We have signed 90% of the free agents we pursued the last 2 years. It’s moronic to say no one wants to play here.

What does Deshaun Watson have to do with anything?
I want to use all of the resources we have to put the best team on the field.
I have never, ever advocated spending money just to spend it, I want it spent to make the team better.
Last year we sat and watched a team built that was signing players off practice squads and starting them. During that off season when we left about 40 million in the table there were dozens of players better than what we had that would have made the team better. Deshaun Watson wasn’t one of them. Some were signed for the vet minimum, others 3,5,7 mill a year, whatever was.

It seems that YOU in fact are the one that thinks the only way to build a football team is throwing top dollars at players, and if you can’t find them you just accept that you suck and keep pushing out the sucking for more years.

A winning football team has players at every pay group, and often wins because the lower paid guys return much more value than their cost.
A losing team leaves money in the bank and starts Demontrey Jacobs at RT, because they didn’t go and get a player during free agency.
If Robert krafts bank account is your priority, you are the only fan I have ever met who cares more about the owners finances than the product on the field.

 

[Ring 6]

there's also no need to spend just to spend........

This team was 4-13 back to back years. There were plenty of reasons to spend.
When your roster suck you have reason to spend.
Who ever said spend just to spend?