The past predicts the future - Vrabel wants to run.

[Drunken Cicerone]

You have to get an elite RB, and a great change of pace guy: Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry don’t grow on trees.

Also your Offensive line stinks.

There’s a lot of work to put together a ground and pound offense

 

[WhatJustHappened]

That disgraceful OL Will be fixed, whether Personell or talent, it won't be as bad as last year.
That's my thought.

 

[VJCPatriot]

And the answer is: No. They do not have enough behind Stevenson and Gibson. This draft is loaded at RB. They need to come away with, at worse case scenario, one "Workhorse" RB (with high receiving upside). Best case scenario, two such RB's, with one already being better right out of the gate as a 3rd down RB, but with every down capability. We can grab 2, while addressing other needs, from the 3rd Round and lower. Not doing so in this draft, combined with only 2 decent RB's on the roster (one with a fumbling problem), would be outright malpractice.

If the draft is that deep in RB you can get a good one in round 4 if your evaluation is good. That's where we got Stevenson.

I don't want to see any 1st round picks spent on RB. Not worth it in today's NFL era.

 

[JohnJH]

If the draft is that deep in RB you can get a good one in round 4 if your evaluation is good. That's where we got Stevenson.

I don't want to see any 1st round picks spent on RB. Not worth it in today's NFL era.

I wanted Braelon Allen last draft and I suspected he could be had in the 4th Round (he was and we passed). This draft is much better than last years for RB's. So yes, we could get 2 good to possibly great quality RB's in and after the 4th Round.

 

[Real fan 02]

I wanted Braelon Allen last draft and I suspected he could be had in the 4th Round (he was and we passed). This draft is much better than last years for RB's. So yes, we could get 2 good to possibly great quality RB's in and after the 4th Round.

Allen is beast for NYJ.. even though he kinda feel off down the stretch. I believe we could easily find a RB in the draft somewhere in the later rounds. Rham, Gibson currently are the lead backs. Under a real Scheme and blocking concepts the RBs will be much better next season.

 

[Wozzy]

It starts with the line, Rhamondre is no worse than he was when he rushed for 1000 yards... his line has fallen apart and his QB couldn't pass.

A coach has to hold him accountable for holding onto the ball, Mayo wasn't that guy, but he's still a very good player and so is Antonio Gibson who has had fumbling issues of his own.

They just paid Rhamondre, fix the line and watch magically as he revives his career.

 

[Real fan 02]

It starts with the line, Rhamondre is no worse than he was when he rushed for 1000 yards... his line has fallen apart and his QB couldn't pass.

A coach has to hold him accountable for holding onto the ball, Mayo wasn't that guy, but he's still a very good player and so is Antonio Gibson who has had fumbling issues of his own.

They just paid Rhamondre, fix the line and watch magically as he revives his career.

I think alot of was put on Rham last season as he just gotten the new deal. So he likely felt he had to do it all.. and under this OL and Brissett are QB he pretty much did. The fumbling is concentration issues.. and your right there was no coach on the roster last season to hold Rham accountable. However Rham fumbling isn't new.. as a rookie he fumbled and we never saw him much the rest of the season.

 

[Wozzy]

I think alot of was put on Rham last season as he just gotten the new deal. So he likely felt he had to do it all.. and under this OL and Brissett are QB he pretty much did. The fumbling is concentration issues.. and your right there was no coach on the roster last season to hold Rham accountable. However Rham fumbling isn't new.. as a rookie he fumbled and we never saw him much the rest of the season.

He and Gibson were also getting hit behind the line of scrimmage, any positive yardage was usually an Olympian feat because the line sucked so bad.

BB spoke on the Coach podcast about Rhamondre's fumbling and how they cured him of it... Vrabel needs to apply the same tough love.

 

[Real fan 02]

He and Gibson were also getting hit behind the line of scrimmage, any positive yardage was usually an Olympian feat because the line sucked so bad.

BB spoke on the Coach podcast about Rhamondre's fumbling and how they cured him of it... Vrabel needs to apply the same tough love.

Yes the OL was herenndous it was total butchery putting put an OL like that. Yeah rham because of that became a great back his next season. He's everything you like in a RB he just needs to hold on the ball.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Eagles and Ravens laying the blueprint. Hurts wouldn’t have been able to carry the Eagles if they had a crappy OL and ground game.

Ravens should’ve been in the AFCCG. As long as Henry has gas in the tank, they’ll be back.

Fans have been brainwashed into thinking because the WR’s contracts have been so inflated, you have to build around them.

 

[Wozzy]

Eagles and Ravens laying the blueprint. Hurts wouldn’t have been able to carry the Eagles if they had a crappy OL and ground game.

Ravens should’ve been in the AFCCG. As long as Henry has gas in the tank, they’ll be back.

Fans have been brainwashed into thinking because the WR’s contracts have been so inflated, you have to build around them.

This ^ is the funniest part…

Before this season we had people insisting this was a passing league now, running the ball was antiquated, WR’s were the 2nd most important position after QB…

Then a team that ran the ball in more games than they passed, ranked 1st in rushing attempts and dead last in pass attempts and had a 2000 yard rusher won it all.

So much for that…

 

[Real fan 02]

Eagles and Ravens laying the blueprint. Hurts wouldn’t have been able to carry the Eagles if they had a crappy OL and ground game.

Ravens should’ve been in the AFCCG. As long as Henry has gas in the tank, they’ll be back.

Fans have been brainwashed into thinking because the WR’s contracts have been so inflated, you have to build around them.

That's right. For example a potent offense like the Bengals didn't even make the post season and Detroit didn't even get out the divisional. Coverage dictating WRs are great to have but they are a luxury.. OL&DL are necessities.

 

[Real fan 02]

This ^ is the funniest part…

Before this season we had people insisting this was a passing league now, running the ball was antiquated, WR’s were the 2nd most important position after QB…

Then a team that ran the ball in more games than they passed, ranked 1st in rushing attempts and dead last in pass attempts and had a 2000 yard rusher won it all.

So much for that…

Even Detroit who was a phenomenal passing offense still ran the ball with Gibbs and Montgomery. Running the ball is still necessary in the NFL.

 

[Wozzy]

Even Detroit who was a phenomenal passing offense still ran the ball with Gibbs and Montgomery. Running the ball is still necessary in the NFL.

Balanced has always been most dangerous, being able to run with power makes you a tough team, able to win in cold weather or the playoffs.

 

[Real fan 02]

Balanced has always been most dangerous, being able to run with power makes you a tough team, able to win in cold weather or the playoffs.

Yes!!! Vrabel said it numerous times last week the trenches, running it and stopping it.. we can do ourselves big favors by signing Milton Williams and chase young.

 

[lancerman]

Im sure vrable wants to run to have a balanced attack. I think the reason he ran so much in tenn is because he had a jag qb in tannehill and had to keep the pressure off him, thats not the case with Maye

He ran so much because Derrick Henry was there. Tannehill was playing some of the best football of his life there. Maye as of now has not shown he can do anything close to that so it's just a silly discussion.

It's easy to run with a generational talent like Henry on your team. Every team with him would do that. The Ravens have a multi time MVP and still ran a lot last year

 

[Real fan 02]

He ran so much because Derrick Henry was there. Tannehill was playing some of the best football of his life there. Maye as of now has not shown he can do anything close to that so it's just a silly discussion.

It's easy to run with a generational talent like Henry on your team. Every team with him would do that. The Ravens have a multi time MVP and still ran a lot last year

Tannehill had 22 TDs in 2019 under a ball controlled offense. To his credit he managed the game well and controlled the TOP. Since then he's morphed back into ryan Tannehill who we all know from the AFCE. In a season with a HC in over his head, a OC who admitted he couldn't even call everything on his sheet.. total dysfunction all around. Drake had 15TDs and over 400 yards rushing. Henry wasn't anywhere of a back we saw prior to Vrabel getting there.. he was a 500 yards back before Vrabel coached him. This why I feel like Vrabel is the best thing for Rham.

 

[lancerman]

Eagles and Ravens laying the blueprint. Hurts wouldn’t have been able to carry the Eagles if they had a crappy OL and ground game.

Ravens should’ve been in the AFCCG. As long as Henry has gas in the tank, they’ll be back.

Fans have been brainwashed into thinking because the WR’s contracts have been so inflated, you have to build around them.

Getting WR's isn't building around WR's it's building around the QB's. The line effects both running and passing. Any QB can hand a ball off, the throwing and dissecting the coverage is the differentiator.

The problem with RB's, is that unless you have a Barkley or Henry type, the next tier is a dime a dozen and easy to replicate. The most valuable RB's are high end hybrid's like McCaffrey.

In YPG, the 3rd best RB and the 31st best are between 50 and 80 ypg. Which is substantial, but when the net difference is 30 ypg between 3rd and 30th and then the top two are between 40ypg and 30 ypg ahead of the 4th best RB, there's a huge distinction

 

[lancerman]

Tannehill had 22 TDs in 2019 under a ball controlled offense. To his credit he managed the game well and controlled the TOP. Since then he's morphed back into ryan Tannehill who we all know from the AFCE. In a season with a HC in over his head, a OC who admitted he couldn't even call everything on his sheet.. total dysfunction all around. Drake had 15TDs and over 400 yards rushing. Henry wasn't anywhere of a back we saw prior to Vrabel getting there.. he was a 500 yards back before Vrabel coached him. This why I feel like Vrabel is the best thing for Rham.

Drake won a single game and threw plenty of boneheaded INT's all year.

In 2020 (the very next year) Tannehill was:

-5th in the league in passer rating with a 106 rating.
-8th in the league in TD's with 33.
-6th in the league in Y/A with 7.9
-5th lowest int percentage in the league in INT% with 1.5%.

He was a legitimate top 5 QB that year.

By comparison Maye this year

-24th in passer rating with an 88.1 rating. League average was 92.
-24th in TD's with 15.
-28th in Y/A with 6.7. League average was 7.1
-the 35th lowest interception percentage in the league with 3.0%

Tannehill also had 11 wins to Maye's 1.

I get wanting to be big on Maye, but let's cool the breaks on ****ting on other QB's to prop up our guy who has a long ass way to go before he proves he's even capable of what Tannehill was.

Btw in 2019, the year you are dumping on Tannehill on he led the league in passer rating and Y/A. Let's see if Maye can lead the league in any of those stats before we call Tannehill the JAG and act like Maye is some big upgrade.

Right now, Maye is the exact type of QB you want to take a burden off him and not force him in positions to make mistakes while he is developing

 

[mgteich]

Drake won a single game and threw plenty of boneheaded INT's all year.

That can't be, I read the posts here. Maye was a top 10 QB better than all rookies but Jaden, and having a better future than Jaden