2025 LT

[manxman2601]

Will Campbell v Alabama's Dallas Turner



I count 3 definite losses which could have led to sacks in the NFL, what looks like two clear holds to prevent another two losses and one 50/50 rep. He worries me as a high pick LT because I just don't think he dominates enough. Just as if you're picking a CB in the top 10 you want him to be a lockdown corner, you should expect your LT to be lockdown too.

 

[rochrist]

The LT position is starting to become a bit of a concern draft-wise for me because there are so many teams in need of an OT and we're starting to see a congregation of them ahead our second round pick. Donovan Jackson who has become my 'get value and take him in the 2nd' option shows at 31 in Mike Renner's latest top 50. If you include the possible OT-OG switchers like Membou and Milum, he has 8 OTs going before we pick again at 38. As things stand I see four options:

1. Sign a FA LT
2. Ignore the better value of picking blue chip prospects at 4 and draft an OT preferably with a trade down.
3. Trade up from 38
4. Wait until later in the draft and draft someone you think has enough upside to compete for the LT spot, whether that be Ersery, Charles Grant or John Williams from Cincinnati.

Option 1 is the only solution that has any real appeal for me and it's in no way a guarantee.

Option 5. Trade back to later in the first round.

 

[manxman2601]

Option 5. Trade back to later in the first round.

So who would you trade back for?

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

So who would you trade back for?

Around 20-25 and take simmons.

A dream would be to trade back two times in the first picking up at least two extra 2nds. Or a trade back to the mind/early 20’s and pick up at least a second this year and a 1st next year.

 

[manxman2601]

Around 20-25 and take simmions.

A dream would be to trade back two times in the first picking up at least two extra 2nds. Or a trade back to the mind/early 20’s and pick up at least a second this year and a 1st next year.

You get my vote on Simmons. OT1 as far as I'm concerned.

 

[AQPE]

Will Campbell v Alabama's Dallas Turner



I count 3 definite losses which could have led to sacks in the NFL, what looks like two clear holds to prevent another two losses and one 50/50 rep. He worries me as a high pick LT because I just don't think he dominates enough. Just as if you're picking a CB in the top 10 you want him to be a lockdown corner, you should expect your LT to be lockdown too.

But no actual sacks allowed and no penalties called going up against a guy that was drafted #17 last year. How did Campbell do against Jared Verse in 2023? No sacks allowed that game either.

How did Banks do against Turner last year? How did Simmons do against similar competition in 2023? He was at RT that year so that's a bit different.

I've said it before and will repeat it here, I'm not in favor of Campbell at #4 if he has the short arms because at that position with their needs the Pats need to take the guy that is most likely to make a strong impact on how they play and how other teams play them. For me it's Hunter that has the best chance to be that guy but I don't expect him to be there at #4. If Campbell's arm length is OK, other than Carter and maybe Graham I'd take him, I think there are more viable alternatives in this draft for an edge or DT than there are for OT. I expect five or six OT prospects at least, and maybe eight, to be off the board by #38: Campbell, Banks, Simmons, Ersery, Conerly, maybe Membou, Williams, and Mbow.

 

[manxman2601]

But no actual sacks allowed and no penalties called going up against a guy that was drafted #17 last year. How did Campbell do against Jared Verse in 2023? No sacks allowed that game either.

How did Banks do against Turner last year? How did Simmons do against similar competition in 2023? He was at RT that year so that's a bit different.

I've said it before and will repeat it here, I'm not in favor of Campbell at #4 if he has the short arms because at that position with their needs the Pats need to take the guy that is most likely to make a strong impact on how they play and how other teams play them. For me it's Hunter that has the best chance to be that guy but I don't expect him to be there at #4. If Campbell's arm length is OK, other than Carter and maybe Graham I'd take him, I think there are more viable alternatives in this draft for an edge or DT than there are for OT. I expect five or six OT prospects at least, and maybe eight, to be off the board by #38: Campbell, Banks, Simmons, Ersery, Conerly, maybe Membou, Williams, and Mbow.

1. I don't look at sacks, just the pressures, because we're talking about projecting him to the NFL where the quality of the pass rusher jumps a whole bunch of levels. I've never scouted Dallas Turner so I don't know what his NFL projection was but I do know he's someone who only got 3 sacks in the NFL. Next year, however, Campbell will be going up against pass rushers who have many more sacks than that. So Dallas Turner might not have got the sacks in this game but that doesn't mean Myles Garrett, Jared Verse or Aidan Hutchinson wouldn't. That's why I look at losses rather than sacks.

2. I don't want people to think I'm down on Campbell because there's a lot I like about him. In fact, one of my ideal scenarios would be to sign a FA LT, then trade down and then take Campbell as a LG because I think he has the potential to be an outstanding LG and could genuinely be considered BPA in that role. But as I said above, if I'm drafting a top 10 LT, I want him to be a shutdown LT and I just don't think Campbell is that.

3. This is not a good draft for LTs, I think that's clear and I just don't think we should force it, which is why I'm in the FA camp, while at the same time drafting a development tackle like Belton or maybe even Grant. I'd take Simmons with a sufficient trade back because I think he is the best in this class but he has issues of his own (injury).

 

[captain stone]

I've just realised the the Bleacher Report OL scouting reports are done by Brandon Thorn. For people that don't know him, he's considered by the draft community as the OL draft guru. Bleacher Report scouting reports on the OL will be my go to source from now on.

Here are his OT rankings. Note, he thinks Will Cambell is an interior guy but gives him the highest grade (8.4) of all linemen.

1. Best Run-Blocker: Josh Conerly Jr.
   Best Pass-Blocker: Josh Simmons
   Best Zone-Blocker: Josh Conerly Jr.
   Most Pro-Ready: Armand Membou
   Most Versatile: Marcus Mbow
   1. Armand Membou, Missouri (7.9)
   2. Josh Conerly Jr., Oregon (7.9)
   3. Josh Simmons, Ohio State (7.9)
   4. Kelvin Banks Jr., Texas (7.8)
   5. Aireontae Ersery, Minnesota (7.5)
   6. Cameron Williams, Texas (7.4)
   7. Ozzy Trapilo, Boston College (7.4)
   8. Marcus Mbow, Purdue (7.3)
   9. Charles Grant, William & Mary (7.0)
   10. Ajani Cornelius, Oregon (6.8)
   11. Jack Nelson, Wisconsin (6.5)
   12. Anthony Belton, North Carolina State (6.4)
   13. Chase Lundt, Connecticut (6.2)
   14. Carson Vinson, Alabama A&M (6.1)
2. 
   

I'm not so sure about a couple of these...

 

[Headcase]

Around 20-25 and take simmions.

A dream would be to trade back two times in the first picking up at least two extra 2nds. Or a trade back to the mind/early 20’s and pick up at least a second this year and a 1st next year.

Even with his knee injury? There is a chance he isn't fully healthy until '26.....he had the same injury Strange had.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm not so sure about a couple of these...

I would have Simmons and Belton higher personally, but I respect his expertise. Who would you have higher or lower?

 

[bakes781]

I would have Simmons and Belton higher personally, but I respect his expertise. Who would you have higher or lower?

I think Ersery has surpassed Conerly after the Senior Bowl but as we keep saying that could change after the combine.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

Even with his knee injury? There is a chance he isn't fully healthy until '26.....he had the same injury Strange had.

As long as it checks out long term I’m okay with giving him the time needed to heal if it means having a stable tackle with a good floor and high upside, for the next 4 years.

 

[captain stone]

I would have Simmons and Belton higher personally, but I respect his expertise. Who would you have higher or lower?

I have Membou & Conerly behind Banks, Simmons & Ersery... And I'm not even sure if Membou can stay at Tackle in the NFL... Also, Ozzy seems too high, and Belton too low...

 

[rochrist]

So who would you trade back for?

I don't have anything specific in mind, but for example, everyone agrees 4 is too high to take Campbell, Banks or Simmons. Suppose you can get one of them at 10 or 12 and pick up an additional 2d rounder? Something like that.

 

[p8ryts]

This is from a Rams fan perspectic

"we've identified three prospects Snead could target in the later rounds of the 2025 NFL draft.

Hollin Pierce | Rutgers​

Hollin Pierce was one of the most intriguing tackle prospects on the all-star circuit this year. Pierce checked into the East-West Shrine Bowl as a 6-foot-7, and 342-pound specimen with historically impressive arm length (nearly 37 inches). There are some technical warts to work through, but the Rutgers standout possesses all of the required tools.

Logan Brown | Kansas​

Kansas' Logan Brown got somewhat lost in the Senior Bowl hype, but he quietly enjoyed a productive week in Mobile. Brown is an outstanding athlete with plus-level mobility on tape. That always appeals to Sean McVay and his creative offensive scheme.

Gerard Christian-Lichtenhan | Oregon State​

Gerard Christian-Lichtenhan was probably the most impressive tackle at this year's East-West Shrine. He's a legit 6-foot-8 towering prospect with nearly 36 inch arms. Christian-Lichtenhan moves incredibly well for a tackle prospect with intimidating size.

This article originally appeared on Rams Wire: 3 offensive tackles the Rams could target on Day 3 of the 2025 NFL draft​

 

[bakes781]

 

[captain stone]

I wish they were higher on Simmons.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I don't have anything specific in mind, but for example, everyone agrees 4 is too high to take Campbell, Banks or Simmons. Suppose you can get one of them at 10 or 12 and pick up an additional 2d rounder? Something like that.

trading down to the 8-12 range and trading up in the back end first round to select 3 times top 40 would be a dream scenario for me

 

[manxman2601]

trading down to the 8-12 range and trading up in the back end first round to select 3 times top 40 would be a dream scenario for me

It's a great mock but I think times have moved on/ Green an Stewart are more likely to go top 10 than in the 30-40 range. Really like the Royals and Phillips picks.

 

[manxman2601]

This is from a Rams fan perspectic

"we've identified three prospects Snead could target in the later rounds of the 2025 NFL draft.

Hollin Pierce | Rutgers​

Hollin Pierce was one of the most intriguing tackle prospects on the all-star circuit this year. Pierce checked into the East-West Shrine Bowl as a 6-foot-7, and 342-pound specimen with historically impressive arm length (nearly 37 inches). There are some technical warts to work through, but the Rutgers standout possesses all of the required tools.

Logan Brown | Kansas​

Kansas' Logan Brown got somewhat lost in the Senior Bowl hype, but he quietly enjoyed a productive week in Mobile. Brown is an outstanding athlete with plus-level mobility on tape. That always appeals to Sean McVay and his creative offensive scheme.

Gerard Christian-Lichtenhan | Oregon State​

Gerard Christian-Lichtenhan was probably the most impressive tackle at this year's East-West Shrine. He's a legit 6-foot-8 towering prospect with nearly 36 inch arms. Christian-Lichtenhan moves incredibly well for a tackle prospect with intimidating size.

This article originally appeared on Rams Wire: 3 offensive tackles the Rams could target on Day 3 of the 2025 NFL draft​

Hollin Pierce is really impressive when in pass pro move but is really slow when in space.

Christian-Lichtenberg is developmental Nate Solder. Has a lot of good things about him but he's not the stoutest.

I need to watch Logan Brown.