Is it possible that the #1 pick wont be as valuable as we thought this year?

[lancerman]

No doubt. I'm sure he's 90% daddy's mouth and 10% talent...

He's a megaflop waiting to happen imo and I wouldn't be surprised if despite all the media hype, he tumbles way down because no team wants to take the risk

 

[h0c2000]

Chargers with Eli might have gotten over the hump. To have that much talent in a five year span and make one AFC title game is crazy.

Undoubtedly, they win the SB in 06 without that fumble. That team was stacked.

Troy Brown, a great Patriot.

 

[signbabybrady]

Carter will also effect it. It's easy to see him as more of a surefire pick if you need a pass rusher and don't want to roll the dice on Hunter's potential. Realistically the best thing that could happen is

1. Titans: Ward
2. Browns: Carter
3. Giants: Sanders

The worst thing that could happen is something like

1. Titans: Hunter
2. Browns: Carter
3. Giants: Ward.

The second best would probably be the first scenario but swap out Carter for Hunter.

You could get some sort of decent trade down for Hunter. I can't see it happening for Sanders. Just don't see the return being there for how far you would need to drop. Going down to even 6 for the Raiders means you pass up Carter, Hunter, Tet, Graham who are imo the consensus best in the draft and at 4 we should be more concerned with coming away with either a top prospect rusher, WR or if you want to take the risk Hunter.

We'll see how the draft season treats Sanders but for now it seems like Hunter, Ward, and Carter are going 123.

 

[Love The Drake]

interesting.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Is he the next Gonk Ivan?? I am not a Big fan of Hunter Henry hated the resign last year: he can't cant block for .

I wouldn’t call him Gronk, but he could give Maye the kind of weapon Bowers gives the Raiders for the next 10 years +. And I think he’s much more of a lock for production than any other receiver in this class. And they could still address OL by trading back up with the pick, and get LT or DT.

Overall this year the Patriots are going to have numerous options, and this is one of the good ones.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

This is news to you? its pretty obvious

 

[festy1986]

Counterpoint. Draft is not deep and you still can get someone very good at 4. Probably not so much at 8

If the draft doesn't even have 8 NFL caliber players then were ****ed.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

We'll get some good players, we have adults in the room.
I hope they address the Trenches first.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Right on twin Brother: couldn't have said it any better myself no wonder One-If thought we were the same persons: and he still thinks it.

What happened to your cousin RayRay
Did your Aunt lock him in the closet or something
Dude is angry

 

[mgteich]

The draft class scares me. I don't see the talent that I would expect at 4. I'm no draft guru so hopefully someone can change my opinion.

There are lots of evaluations out there.
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We need a stud at 4. Many are available: Carter, Graham, Johnson and Tet. Since we will get a stud at a position of need, there is no reason to trade down.
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The issue for us will the value we are able to get with our 4 picks between the 2nd and 4th. In a good year, we should expect 2-3 contributors. Hopefully, we won't be sitting at the end of 2025 wondering whether we go anything of value in those rounds.

 

[mgteich]

I really hope they trade down or across.
I'm a strong advocate for BPA, however given the need for an OT, I'm fine with a trade down from 4 to somewhere around 8-11 where I believe some combination of Campell, Banks, & Simmons will be available and which could provide them possibly with another second. My hope is Sanders fall to four and someone is willing to pay up for him.
I have little confidence in the Patriots or any other team being able to pin point top talent and discern between various high level prospects. The only player that might be a potential exception at the top of the draft seems to be Hunter. I'd like to point out something that I think gets lost in the shuffle. The higher the draft pick, the more they get paid. Being wrong at pick number 4 is really problematic and another reason for trading down. I don't think it's not enough to say player "A" is better than player "B".

2024 rookie contracts (rounded):
#1: $40mm
#2: $38mm
#3: $37mm
#4: $35mm
#5: $33mm
#6: $29mm
#7: $26mm
#8: $23mm
#9: $23mm
#10: $22mm
#11: $21mm (this is 60% of pick #4)
#12: $19mm
#13: $18mm

#50: $8mm (this is 23% of pick # 4)

I would much rather have the 11th pick at a cost of $21mm and the 50th pick at a cost of $8mm then the 4th pick. Pick four is poor risk/reward for a non-QB compared to picks 12 and a some thereafter. There is at least one study I read that for non-qb's, the 12th pick is of more value than the 4th pick due to the salary difference and the inability of GM's to figure out which players are truely the best. To me, it's shocking that the #50 pick gets ~ 23% of what the #4 pick gets. Given the Pats lack of talent and holes to fill, I would be 100% on board trading down from pick #4 and gathering as many 2nd and 3rd round picks (a little arbitrary) this year and in future years. I would add, that since I think the Pats have a tiny chance to win the super bowl next year, I would gladly defer gratification and trade pick this year for better picks next year. Just my two cents.

Yes, if we don't get a couple of OT's in free agency, we will likely trade down. I think that we will avoid this issue by signing a couple of OT's in free agency and consider an OT in the 3rd.

 

[mgteich]

I like Graham if we stay at four, but an imaginative coaching staff could have a lot of fun with Hunter, as long as they don’t over use him.

I don't WANT Hunter, but it would be very hard to pass on him. If Hunter is there, I suspect that we would trade dwon if we had signed our WR's in free agency.

 

[signbabybrady]

There are lots of evaluations out there.
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We need a stud at 4. Many are available: Carter, Graham, Johnson and Tet. Since we will get a stud at a position of need, there is no reason to trade down.
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The issue for us will the value we are able to get with our 4 picks between the 2nd and 4th. In a good year, we should expect 2-3 contributors. Hopefully, we won't be sitting at the end of 2025 wondering whether we go anything of value in those rounds.

Trade them for vets as much as possible. We have so much cap space we need to get creative anyways.

 

[varjao]

Tee Higgins is too often injured for my liking. I would rather get a true #1 but not sure how we pull that off

We need to give Maye protection, he's show he can make it work with no stellar receivers, of course a difference maker will draw attention from the defense and open things up for other players as well, but I don't think they should sacrifice the future for a WR with a high pick this year or 2026's.

I like Tee Higgins but he will be the top WR in FA and get Justin Jeffersons kinda money and I don't think he is in that level.

 

[condon84]

Hunter just doesn't make sense for the Pats. If you are dead set on taking a CB, then yeah sure. But it's not close to a position of need right now. If you are thinking about getting him at WR, you take Tet because he's a far surer thing at WR.

Carter or Graham could make sense, but the truth is that if everyone is right and the defense was mostly bad because of Mayo and we were going to take a big step up this year, you could just end up having a lopsided team again because you passed on offense once again at a premium pick

I don't see an OL worth a top 5 pick. Tet's lack of quick twitch moves is a big red flag for me. IMO we have to pick BPA. Hunter looks like the surest thing to be a productive NFL starter, whether that's on defense or offense.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I did kinda dread the scario of both hunter and abdul carter going top 3 but it could still work out great for us.

- If we are smart enough to stick to bpa, id still be ecstatic about mason graham here. In fact, its very close for me even if carter is still there at 3 who id take between the 2.

- If shadeur falls to 4 and is highly coveted by someone in the 6-8 range come april, you might get a nice offer for that pick. Swap with vegas and you still end up with graham, tet, johnson, or one of the tackles. Though id want at least a first to move back. Alot can happen between now and April, i believe last year at this time drake was the concensus #2

 

[jmt57]

Somebody will nail it at the combine and cause teams to climb over each other attempting to trade up.

When was the last time that did not happen?

 

[mgteich]

Somebody will nail it at the combine and cause teams to climb over each other attempting to trade up.

When was the last time that did not happen?

I think that we are picking a player at 4, but I could see trade down to 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. If someone want to trade up for Tet, 5, 6, 7 and 8 would likely include Johnson, Graham, Carter and Banks. IMO, one of these is not like the others.

Yes, teams will want to trade up to 4. We can get a stud at 4. It isn't clear that we can get one at 9 or 10.

Personally, I can't see us trading out of the top 8 without a 2026 first as compensation. 5-8 would depend on compensation and who we expect to be available (that is, who would be the BPA at where we would end up picking).

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Harry got me scared about taking Drake London boy was I wrong. To your question win win either way.

Drake London Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

Complete career NFL stats for Atlanta Falcons Wide Receiver Drake London on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

Harry is a midget at 6’1 next to 6’5 King Tet. Tet and London also have insane YAC ability while Harry was a stiff scarecrow. Not even comparable.

By the way, Tet is a taller more athletic version of London.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Right on twin Brother: couldn't have said it any better myself no wonder One-If thought we were the same persons: and he still thinks it.