Barmore and Blood clots

[hornetfb85]

So to sum this up. This could be and likely is a serious situation for Barmore that may or may not end his career. Other than the fact he went back on the NFI list with similar symptoms, nobody (other than CB, the Patriots and his doctors) has a real clue what’s going on and is speculating based off of an internet search on anti coagulants. Am I missing anything???

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is

science involved, but not everyone reacts to a treatment the same way. There is so much trial and error that medicine can't be black and white. Black and white implies yes or no and because of the variability between people its all gray.

...and how the patient reacts to the treatment is black and white.

 

[mgteich]

I don't want to travel down these roads, but there are many large powerful organizations and individuals that have an interest in a player returning quickly. And I don't think it's a secret to say today that money drives medicine.

Yes everything is considered, but we're not discussing an exact science when the words "factoring in" are used.

I find "factoring in" in these circumstances generally means what money wants to look true.

A few years back it was "how many fingers do I have up?" What was science then?

So I say with at minimum the organization should have stepped in with a condition this serious in a meaningless this season, and been overly cautious with Barmore.

I don't think that Barmore should return to play until they figure out the cause of clotting so that those circumstances can be avoided.
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I disagree with the doctors posting here. I don't think that the team did anything wrong.

There are many reasons for someone having a bout with blood clots. First, one immediately is put on blood thinners and monitored. When the clotting is brought under control, the patient no longer takes blood thinners. I guess folks are correct. There should be no football while on blood thinners, although I would think that there could are treatments for bleeding. But I get it.

Then, after continued monitoring and blood tests showing no indicators of the danger of clotting, the patient is allowed to return to NORMAL activities. Andrews says hi. If the markers for clotting show up again, then the patient needs to be put back on blood thinners.

The process can be repeated, but the patient won't be comfortable truly going back to normal activities unless the doctor's can find and control the reasons for the clotting which for example could be caused by stress or a previous injury not fully healed.
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I am NOT a doctor, just someone who dealt with this issue in the past couple of years. BTW, both my wife and I are on blood thinners. That fact has had almost zero effect on our lives.

 

[DaBruinz]

Just another blunder under Mayo... Barmore should have never been allowed to return no matter how good he felt. Andrews had to sit out the entire season with ordeal.

Could you show everyone the articles showing that Barmore's condition and Andrew's condition were identical?

No? You can't? Then how can you make this sort of statement? If you don't know that the cause for Barmore's blood clots were the same as Andrews, then how the hell can you say that their treatments should be the same?

Have you read the CBA? Particularly the part about players on the IR? Do you understand that, unless the team has already MET all the IR activations, that a player on IR who passes a physical is to be activated? So, that really means that the Team Doctor is the one who was responsible for Barmore returning mid-season. Not Mayo.

 

[DaBruinz]

Another case of nepotism gone bad, LOL. Not sure why it was bad for BB to have his kids on staff and ok for Mayo to have his brother. I am glad that they are making real changes under Vrabel.

Maybe Mayo's brother cleared him to play.. and Mayo said to Barmore your soft if you don't play..

So many things wrong with the statements from both of you:

1) Deron Mayo was hired by Belichick before Jerod was.
2) Deron Mayo is Strength and Conditioning. He is NOT the Team Doctor
3) Deron Mayo has ZERO say in whether a player passes a Doctor's physical and comes off IR

Try using FACTS instead of just spewing the first thing off the top of your heads.

 

[DaBruinz]

For what reason?

I agree it's not on Mayo, but the organization should have shut him down.

It was stupid even if it wasn't a reason.

The CBA would like a word with you.

 

[DarrylS]

Without knowing what caused the blood clots it is impossible for anyone, outside of his cardiological team, to make any judgements on his medical condition..

Blood clots Causes

Blood clots: Symptom — Overview covers definition, possible causes of this symptom.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[DaBruinz]

Without knowing what caused the blood clots it is impossible for anyone, outside of his cardiological team, to make any judgements on his medical condition..

Blood clots Causes

Blood clots: Symptom — Overview covers definition, possible causes of this symptom.

www.mayoclinic.org

Exactly.

 

[raduray]

Are there really no athletes playing while they take blood thinners? I have known many, many people who take blood thinners for most of their lives. Isn't the issue whether he can rebuild his strength?

It seems that there are other complications.

I'm on blood thinners for an Afib episode a few years ago where they had to shock my heart back into rythm. I get black and blue very easily and was told that if I ever get hit in the head I should go to the ER. So no, I can't imagine anyone playing football on blood thinners.

 

[raduray]

Another case of nepotism gone bad, LOL. Not sure why it was bad for BB to have his kids on staff and ok for Mayo to have his brother. I am glad that they are making real changes under Vrabel.

Someone speculated with absolutely no underlying information that Mayo's brother cleared him and you use that to make that charge? No way does a trainer have that authority. The clearance came from an MD.

 

[raduray]

Maybe Mayo's brother cleared him to play.. and Mayo said to Barmore your soft if you don't play..

Or maybe not.

 

[raduray]

Huh? Medicine is black and white. It's science.

It's evolving science. Compare what we know now to ten years ago. But still, a lot we don't know.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

So many things wrong with the statements from both of you:

1) Deron Mayo was hired by Belichick before Jerod was.
2) Deron Mayo is Strength and Conditioning. He is NOT the Team Doctor
3) Deron Mayo has ZERO say in whether a player passes a Doctor's physical and comes off IR

Try using FACTS instead of just spewing the first thing off the top of your heads.

thanks for setting me straight, LOL

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Someone speculated with absolutely no underlying information that Mayo's brother cleared him and you use that to make that charge? No way does a trainer have that authority. The clearance came from an MD.

I didn't say that, I can't control what other people say. I have stated multiple times that this is a very serious situation. Way more important than football. FWIW, I was being facetious because of all the anti nepotism ranting that has been shared.

 

[raduray]

I didn't say that, I can't control what other people say. I have stated multiple times that this is a very serious situation. Way more important than football. FWIW, I was being facetious because of all the anti nepotism ranting that has been shared.

Sorry if I missed the sarcasm.

 

[Joey007]

We'll get our answer if they Draft DT Mason Graham.

See this is depressing though. We’ll be drafting at one of the few positions we thought were covered. We’ll basically be back to where we were before as a roster before losing Barmore. (if Barmore doesn’t come back)

 

[Real fan 02]

Could you show everyone the articles showing that Barmore's condition and Andrew's condition were identical?

No? You can't? Then how can you make this sort of statement? If you don't know that the cause for Barmore's blood clots were the same as Andrews, then how the hell can you say that their treatments should be the same?

Have you read the CBA? Particularly the part about players on the IR? Do you understand that, unless the team has already MET all the IR activations, that a player on IR who passes a physical is to be activated? So, that really means that the Team Doctor is the one who was responsible for Barmore returning mid-season. Not Mayo.

Look, it was just a statement. Not really that serious. Not really intended to get this deep. Moving on..

 

[RxJock1120]

...and how the patient reacts to the treatment is black and white.

Not true at all, why do you think there are so many medicines within a single class. (ie: statins for high cholesterol)

There is very little black and white in medicine and a ton of trial and error.

Everyone's situation is different, the care they get is different and their response to the treatment is different.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not true at all, why do you think there are so many medicines within a single class. (ie: statins for high cholesterol)

There is very little black and white in medicine and a ton of trial and error.

Everyone's situation is different, the care they get is different and their response to the treatment is different.

Black and white meaning it works to the expectation/aspiration or it doesn't.

 

[Triumph]

Christian Barmore should hire Robin Glaser to sue the Mayos for malpractice.

Honest Bob Kraft can testify that the Mayos lied to him to go along with playing Barmore. The Mayos can be locked up in prison before the 2025 draft and we can all move on.