Barmore and Blood clots

[Grogan14]

But so is speculating that he missed the last 3 games due to a relapse or complication, when there's been no reporting of that.

Fair enough. Its all speculation given the very limited data set available

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'm hoping they just held him out for precaution as there was no point of him playing at all.

 

[Family]

Stupid based on what? If his tests came back clean, was in no danger medically except for his symptoms to return and closely monitored/tested frequently why not play?

Because it was a wasted season anyway, and he was only coming back for a few games.

Let him rest up, do the right things, and come back fresh without the stress of proving to even himself this year.

People feel medicine is a black/white thing. The doctors know statistics and likelihood. Barmore comes back when they're willing to accept the risk as defined by whom?

There's sometimes common sense. A man rested for 10 months should come back better than a man rested four months from a brutal game like football.

Barmore is just too valuable.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

All this speculation seems to be based on him not playing the last 3 weeks. When he returned mid-season, they were 3-7, had won two of the previous 3 games, and had a favorable schedule ahead. Then they lost all 4 games he played in, so at 3-11 maybe they all just said "what's the point?" He'd had no offseason, preseason, or early season to get himself into shape, and he wasn't playing his usual dominant style. There's no reason to assume his blood clots returned or anything like that.

I think there's a very good chance he comes back and at 100%.

Your assessment does not match what has been reported. Barmore stopped playing because of a recurrence of some of his symptoms. This is a serious situation.

Barmore Returning to NFI

 

[RobertWeathers]

Because it was a wasted season anyway, and he was only coming back for a few games.

Let him rest up, do the right things, and come back fresh without the stress of proving to even himself this year.

People feel medicine is a black/white thing. The doctors know statistics and likelihood. Barmore comes back when they're willing to accept the risk as defined by whom?

There's sometimes common sense. A man rested for 10 months should come back better than a man rested four months from a brutal game like football.

Barmore is just too valuable.

Huh? Medicine is black and white. It's science.

 

[Family]

Huh? Medicine is black and white. It's science.

It should be science.

Even then the science is data leaning.

How many people Barmore's size let alone other possible aspects of his hereditary background do you think there have been with blood clots like his coming back to NFL football.

Enough for a case study?

 

[RobertWeathers]

It should be science.

Even then the science is data leaning.

How many people Barmore's size let alone other possible aspects of his hereditary background do you think there have been with blood clots like his coming back to NFL football.

Enough for a case study?

Do you not think they factored that into his assessment, tests, course of treatment, and prognosis?

 

[Thelonious]

Huh? Medicine is black and white. It's science.

The assumption that any scientific assertion is definitive, not subject to abandonment or modification in light of subsequent empirical evidence, is about as contrary to the scientific method as can be. If this understanding had been in operation in the nineteenth century, dcotors would still be treating us with leeches and salts of mercury.

 

[Family]

Do you not think they factored that into his assessment, tests, course of treatment, and prognosis?

I don't want to travel down these roads, but there are many large powerful organizations and individuals that have an interest in a player returning quickly. And I don't think it's a secret to say today that money drives medicine.

Yes everything is considered, but we're not discussing an exact science when the words "factoring in" are used.

I find "factoring in" in these circumstances generally means what money wants to look true.

A few years back it was "how many fingers do I have up?" What was science then?

So I say with at minimum the organization should have stepped in with a condition this serious in a meaningless this season, and been overly cautious with Barmore.

 

[pazrul72]

Huh? Medicine is black and white. It's science.

Vet tech for 5 years at an ER hospital and every time I had to go into a room to do a Euthanasia to go over paperwork and talk the pet parents thru the process I would say “We wish this was more of a science, but it really is closer to art. Sometimes things happen we can’t explain.” I can’t tell you how many times I saw patients that should have lived long healthy lives pass and less frequent but it did happen patients that are walking medical miracles that refuse to die. Or the 27 year old chihuahua that Satan refused to take, too hateful and evil. Every patient is different, we really just make our best guess based on lots and lots of evidence, but at the end of the day I would say the biggest thing I have learned, is just how much we don’t know. That’s not black and white at all, in fact Science is the continued pursuit of knowledge, and everything that’s unknown.

 

[Triumph]

While on anti coagulants contact sports are generally not recommended. For example trauma to spleen or liver while on blood thinners could lead to serious internal bleeding

What about blood pressure?

Blood brings oxygen to the lungs and muscles as you well know.

 

[Triumph]

Why blame Mayo? Hes not a doctor. His situation is on the training and medical staff.

Barmore was cleared to play. I'm sure they administered blood and imaging tests frequently and when his results came back unfavorable they put him back on the BT protocol/changed his med/dosage.

As long as his life and career were not in danger, letting him play was prudent.

Just another reason to fire Mayo.

 

[dliverey44]

Another case of nepotism gone bad, LOL. Not sure why it was bad for BB to have his kids on staff and ok for Mayo to have his brother. I am glad that they are making real changes under Vrabel.

I mean BB hired Deron Mayo, sooooo

 

[n1997y]

I love good blood clot talk.

Not me. Clogs my brain

New Secretary of HHS has some brain worms that will clear you out in a jiffy!

 

[Rob0729]

I wonder if they rushed him back faster than they probably should have because they wanted to turn the season around. When David Andrews had blood clots, he sat out the entire year. Granted his were in his lungs. Not sure where Barmore's were discovered.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Hopefully they just jumped the gun letting him get back into the game this year and he’s back next year. Someone probably said we need him get him back in the game bla blah…Mayo? Andrews was out a year for clots so…

 

[Brotherblues]

Why blame Mayo? Hes not a doctor. His situation is on the training and medical staff.

Barmore was cleared to play. I'm sure they administered blood and imaging tests frequently and when his results came back unfavorable they put him back on the BT protocol/changed his med/dosage.

As long as his life and career were not in danger, letting him play was prudent.

Yeah there is plenty of real ammo against Mayo, no need to make up stuff.

I was also a big proponent of getting Barmore some playing time so he wouldn't go nearly 2 years straight between game action. Very often players just lose it and are never the same after being out so long.

If all the specialist doctors said it's cool then how could a football coach say he knows better?

Though it did feel they could have led him along more slowly, and kinda rushed him to a big workload in a desperate bid to make Mayo's "specialty" (the defense) look like less of a trainwreck.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah there is plenty of real ammo against Mayo, no need to make up stuff.

I was also a big proponent of getting Barmore some playing time so he wouldn't go nearly 2 years straight between game action. Very often players just lose it and are never the same after being out so long.

If all the specialist doctors said it's cool then how could a football coach say he knows better?

Though it did feel they could have led him along more slowly.

I get the fact that when it comes to the human body, there is still some level of mystery and an inexact science in diagnosing an illness and prescribing a course of treatment. I get it.

Seeing how he is under contract for 8 figures I don't think the NEP would "just put him out there". That's absurd.

In the medical team's judgement- based on thorough testing and his improvement, they felt there was a 0% chance he would die and the worst case scenario was based on tests it was determined a re-occurrence was likely and required him to stop playing and get back on meds. Thats it.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I mean BB hired Deron Mayo, sooooo

Of course he did. He is the king of nepotism, LOL.

 

[dliverey44]

There is

Huh? Medicine is black and white. It's science.

science involved, but not everyone reacts to a treatment the same way. There is so much trial and error that medicine can't be black and white. Black and white implies yes or no and because of the variability between people its all gray.