NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION NFL Divisional playoffs discussion

[TheRainMaker]

Two different eras of football, different game entirely.

The inflated stats of today isn't really that impressive.

 

[lancerman]

Two different eras of football, different game entirely.

You aren't wrong in sentiment, but Lamar Jackson is a legitimately great passer while Vick was a liability. Vick only broke 60% completion twice in his career. Lamar is consistently mid to high 60's. He's very accurate and drops some dimes.

They really aren't close to the same player. Lamar can win from the pocket, Vick can't. Lamar has high level accuracy, Vick doesn't. Lamar doesn't have close to as many dumb interceptions. The scary thing is that Lamar is also a far more productive runner.

Vick was a one trick pony

 

[RobertWeathers]

Did I mention Erin Andrews was on tv wearing a leather outfit on Saturday?

For a second I thought that was Lita Ford...

 

[Ray Ray 717]

He played like crap last game, I’d still take him over Lamar if that’s what you’re asking. His future is looking up with another year of Harbaugh.

Herbert over Lamar is laughable and downright illogical.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Two different eras of football, different game entirely.

Seems like you have an ulterior motive..given you would take choke artist Justin Herbert over Lamar Jackson. Hmmm I wonder why.

Lamar Jackson is a soon to be 3x nfl mvp and future hall of famer.

 

[TommyD4207]

Seems like you have an ulterior motive..given you would take choke artist Justin Herbert over Lamar Jackson. Hmmm I wonder why.

Lamar Jackson is a soon to be 3x nfl mvp and future hall of famer.

3-5 in the playoffs doesn't exactly scream 'not a choke artist', especially as a 1-seed last year.

 

[festy1986]

For a second I thought that was Lita Ford...

These kids don't know who Lita Ford is lol.

 

[RobertWeathers]

These kids don't know who Lita Ford is lol.

Yea I totally dated myself..

 

[Patsfan1645]

For a second I thought that was Lita Ford...

Someone needs glasses or possibly a new prescription

 

[Patsfan1645]

Yea I totally dated myself..

Heavy metal goddess, every teen boys dream back in the 80s.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Surely a 3x MVP QB on a team with one of the highest win percentages has a Lombardi or two?

Reminds me of pay me tons

 

[Triumph]

Lamar is the best overall qb in the league right now with Josh Allen a close second. Say what you want about him but he has worked hard to refine his game and has made himself into a very accurate and reliable passer.
You do not make it through a season withh over 400 passing attempt and only 4 interceptions without having great judgment and precision.
He will still be best wb next year with Allen and Daniels 2 and 3

Jackson is 3 - 5 in the post season.

In those 8 playoff games, Jackson has thrown 7 INTs and fumbled 7 times. Jackson has zero 4th quarter comebacks and zero game winning drives. The brutal Bills INT was on him. The terrible fumble that led to Buffalo points is on him. You can blame Andrews for the loss all you want, but Jackson short armed another throw to Henry that would have been a long gainer.

The best QB in the NFL is not a Choker like Jackson. If that were not the gospel truth Peyton Manning would have been the best QB while Tom Brady was winning Super Bowls.

 

[Triumph]

If there is a final drive with 2 minutes to go, you pick Mahomes.

Lamar played great against the Bills yesterday and Andrews let him down. But Mahomes is the gold standard in the league today

Lamar let Lamar down...again.

The weak pass to Henry on the sideline might have scored if Lamar didnt short arm it. It seemed to me that the Ravens coaching staff were hell bent on making Lamar be the "Man" like the other great QBs in the NFL, instead of letting Henry pound the Bills to dust.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

It seemed to me that the Ravens coaching staff were hell bent on making Lamar be the "Man" like the other great QBs in the NFL, instead of letting Henry pound the Bills to dust.

the Ravens were 3-6 this year including last Sunday when Henry didn’t run for a 100 yds. It’s clear what the gameplan should’ve been. The Ravens were going as far as Henry would go.

 

[Sect140]

Seems like you have an ulterior motive..given you would take choke artist Justin Herbert over Lamar Jackson. Hmmm I wonder why.

Lamar Jackson is a soon to be 3x nfl mvp and future hall of famer.

Also on his way to challenging Peyton and Rodger’s for greatest regular season QB.

 

[Sect140]

Lamar let Lamar down...again.

The weak pass to Henry on the sideline might have scored if Lamar didnt short arm it. It seemed to me that the Ravens coaching staff were hell bent on making Lamar be the "Man" like the other great QBs in the NFL, instead of letting Henry pound the Bills to dust.

Just like last years AFC Championship game, both ended up as losses.

 

[Triumph]

the Ravens were 3-6 this year including last Sunday when Henry didn’t run for a 100 yds. It’s clear what the gameplan should’ve been. The Ravens were going as far as Henry would go.

But then Henry would have received all the pub which isnt good for Lamar.

Unreal, every single Ravens loss had Henry with less than 20 Attempts and 90 rush yards.

L - Buffalo - 84 yards
L - Philadelphia - 82 yards
L - Pittsburgh - 65 yards
L - Cleveland - 73 yards
L - Las Vegas - 84 yards
L - Kansas City - 46 yards

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[Vindicate]

Lamar let Lamar down...again.

The weak pass to Henry on the sideline might have scored if Lamar didnt short arm it. It seemed to me that the Ravens coaching staff were hell bent on making Lamar be the "Man" like the other great QBs in the NFL, instead of letting Henry pound the Bills to dust.

Yeah, that sounds like a gameplan issue to me... They really did not want to run heavy, even in the 2nd half it felt like they'd let him run for 7 yards on first, then rest him for two reps, then they'd be in a long situation somehow.

Henry was starting to punish but it didn't feel like they went with the hot hand. I could be misremembering, I was pretty tired by that point.

 

[Wozzy]

You aren't wrong in sentiment, but Lamar Jackson is a legitimately great passer while Vick was a liability. Vick only broke 60% completion twice in his career. Lamar is consistently mid to high 60's. He's very accurate and drops some dimes.

They really aren't close to the same player. Lamar can win from the pocket, Vick can't. Lamar has high level accuracy, Vick doesn't. Lamar doesn't have close to as many dumb interceptions. The scary thing is that Lamar is also a far more productive runner.

Vick was a one trick pony

Again, different eras entirely. Tom Brady's stats in the first half of the dynasty look much different than the second half and into his Bucs era. He is one if not only QB who really straddled the old NFL and the new one.

In the decade following Bill Polian whining to the competition committee and changing the rules, added to the rules when the league woke up to the lasting effects of concussions.... yellow flags doubled. There was more pass interference than at any point in history, there was no more Ronnie Lott or Rodney Harrison sitting in the middle of the field waiting to take your head off.

The game changed dramatically. 60% passing two decades ago looks like 70% passing now... the rules make it much easier. Vick was Lamar Jackson, Lamar is Vick... only the game has changed. Neither is/was an accurate passer... their coaches use scheme and they use their feet to get receivers wide open. Defenders can't destroy Lamar like they could Vick, because he can just slide. If Lamar was a good passer he'd be like all the other good passers in the NFL, he'd be attempting 30-50 passes a game. Harbaugh limits the amount of passing Lamar does, even if they have tried to limit his rushes in recent years given his health and his pass attempts have increased.

Tom Brady or Mahomes could thread a needle, Lamar gets it within a few feet... there's a big difference in accuracy.

 

[Wozzy]

Herbert over Lamar is laughable and downright illogical.

Herbert has gone through three head coaches over his short career, his teams have sucked.

Lamar has been on one of the premier programs in the NFL, the teams around him have been good to great.

It's a team game. Herbert is ascending, Lamar plateau'd back in year two.