OT - Goats reunite?

[upstater1]

If Bill's team thinks this transition is going to be easy, kinda like the Joe Judge/Matty P Offensive Co-Coordinator fiasco, they're in for a rude awakening. Good luck cracking the AP Top 25 as a middle of the pack ACC team.

Bill O'Brien had immediate success at both his college programs, so I'm sure Belichick is thinking he can do what B'OB did.

The thing about UNC is that it's a sleeping giant in recruiting rich territory. Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina, Georgia. These states are full of good football players, and the north side has largely been ceded to Penn State while Georgia and Clemson have been picking apart the southern side.

North Carolina can go toe-to-toe with everyone who lives in that territory except for Georgia. There's no reason that Clemson should dominate North Carolina.

 

[vicspats]

If Bill's team thinks this transition is going to be easy, kinda like the Joe Judge/Matty P Offensive Co-Coordinator fiasco, they're in for a rude awakening. Good luck cracking the AP Top 25 as a middle of the pack ACC team.

I do believe it’s easier to change a roster in college vs the pros. Not sure that would be the issue. These college playoffs show that these teams are better balanced and that there’s talent everywhere compared to the previous SEC dominance .

 

[vicspats]

He can bring in kids who want to learn, and if the team has success year one, it will send a message out to every good player in college, and every high school in the country where you want to go if you want to make The Show.

He's already crushing the portal. And the NIL was part of him signing on, North Carolina bumped their allotment up huge to get him.

Could be true, Saban had a great run. I also think Saban has been pretty vocal on why he left though. Prime kinda did an ok job, but after his top two guys leave?

 

[vicspats]

Couldn’t disagree more. I think Belichick really does love teaching football, and he will be happier working with kids than he ever was in the pro’s. He will have to adapt to a higher level of frustration, but he will enjoy it more. And I think the kids who go there will learn more about football than they could anywhere else. Even guys who should be in the HOF, like Rodney Harrison, said that they learned more from Belichick than all the football they learned before him. Belichick teaches football differently than most if not all other coaches, in that he runs his practices situationally. He moves them up and down the field throwing out different situations and expecting all he players to know exactly what to do in every situation. I’m sure other coaches are running situations in practices, but Harrison said he had never seen anyone coach like that before, and I’m sure kids going to UNC are going to be saying the same things, and word will spread and the best players will want to go there. It will be a top program within 3 years.

You disagree with the “ who knows ?” ….its a fluid situation. I don’t know Bill personally. I do think that he does love to coach but his way of talking to the new generation might not go over. You see Brady, Gronk, and Edelman get asked whether or not bill was going to do well coaching at the college level? They laughed…made fun of the way he talked. But hey….”who knows?”

 

[h0c2000]

I do believe it’s easier to change a roster in college vs the pros. Not sure that would be the issue. These college playoffs show that these teams are better balanced and that there’s talent everywhere compared to the previous SEC dominance .

If it's easy to change the roster, there should be no excuse for not making the CFP.

I don't see this better balance you are describing here. For the playoffs, it's been SEC, Big10+,Clemson, and ND. Other than that you'd get the occasional Pac/Big-12 lamb being brought to the slaughter. I need to see more than 2 years where the SEC isn't in the final game to write that conference as dead.

 

[h0c2000]

True. Saban had a terrible time getting top prospects to go play at Alabama.

True, Saban was extremely successful in the NFL.

 

[Huckleberry1]

True, Saban was extremely successful in the NFL.

Obviously he wasn’t, but he’s as close a coaching style to Belichick as there is, and his college success was obvious. I’m betting that the opportunity to play for the greatest coach in NFL history, who has a direct pipeline to the NFL will be a huge draw for the best players. I’m sure there will be players who don’t like hard coaching that will go elsewhere, but it’s hard to imagine great prospects who want to play in the NFL turning down an opportunity to play for the GOAT.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You disagree with the “ who knows ?” ….its a fluid situation. I don’t know Bill personally. I do think that he does love to coach but his way of talking to the new generation might not go over. You see Brady, Gronk, and Edelman get asked whether or not bill was going to do well coaching at the college level? They laughed…made fun of the way he talked. But hey….”who knows?”

I think Brady and Co. are going by the way Belichick coached professional players, for whom he believed there was no excuse for not being ready, or continually making the same mistakes. And they are right to believe that same approach won’t work well in college, primarily because you can’t hold the same expectations for kids that you do for professionals. I think Belichick is smart enough to tailor his approach to teaching kids, and will readily adapt to it. As an example I would say that Belichick has already shown how quickly he is able to adapt in his approach to media. Where he was a total cipher and bastard to the media as a head coach, because that was what best suited his purposes, he was able almost instantaneously to become part of the media, became congenial, and communicated his years of knowledge easily in the medium. There is no better example of this than on the program The Greatest 100 NFL Players of All Time.

Only time will tell who is right, maybe he will be ultimate prick Bill, and the program won’t go anywhere? But maybe he will adapt to the situation, become a massive draw to the best players, and win national championships to go with his many NFL rings. I’m betting on the latter.

Who knows, maybe Brady will sign an NIL deal with Ohio State and try to win a college championship as well?

 

[Huckleberry1]

If it's easy to change the roster, there should be no excuse for not making the CFP.

I don't see this better balance you are describing here. For the playoffs, it's been SEC, Big10+,Clemson, and ND. Other than that you'd get the occasional Pac/Big-12 lamb being brought to the slaughter. I need to see more than 2 years where the SEC isn't in the final game to write that conference as dead.

Expecting Belichick to instantly turn UNC into a college powerhouse is as idiotic as those who expected Wolf to turn around the Patriots in 6 months have been. Football programs are large enterprises, and it takes a ton of work to turn a bad or mediocre program around at either level. Belichick will turn UNC into a top program, but don’t expect it to happen in a matter of months.

 

[vicspats]

If it's easy to change the roster, there should be no excuse for not making the CFP.

I don't see this better balance you are describing here. For the playoffs, it's been SEC, Big10+,Clemson, and ND. Other than that you'd get the occasional Pac/Big-12 lamb being brought to the slaughter. I need to see more than 2 years where the SEC isn't in the final game to write that conference as dead.

Who said the SEC dead? Way too much talent in the south to ever be bone dry dead. By opening the portal and NIL money it allows teams to level the playing field. You not going to completely change a roster like Prime did, or can you? No longer can the SEC teams stack themselves with future perennial pro bowlers when there are opportunities to float to other teams with junior/senior players already in place to showcase your talent, Although I do feel ND will lose the final to Ohio st, these playoffs have definitely exposed the programs for future kids. These playoffs have been great !!

 

[Nehalem]

Why didn’t the Krafts offer Tom Brady an ownership stake.

Because within 2 years the Krafts would be gone and Tom Brady would have taken over the team.

Which I mean would be awesome for everyone except the Krafts, but still, its pretty easy to see why they didn't want that.

 

[h0c2000]

Who said the SEC dead? Way too much talent in the south to ever be bone dry dead. By opening the portal and NIL money it allows teams to level the playing field. You not going to completely change a roster like Prime did, or can you? No longer can the SEC teams stack themselves with future perennial pro bowlers when there are opportunities to float to other teams with junior/senior players already in place to showcase your talent, Although I do feel ND will lose the final to Ohio st, these playoffs have definitely exposed the programs for future kids. These playoffs have been great !!

To me, dead and not dominant are interchangeable for the SEC. But fine, let's see how the next couple season pan out before calling the SEC no longer dominant. Unfortunately, I can see t.u. and Okie getting a ton of NIL money from their boosters. That's going to get the other schools to up their game in a tit for tat.

 

[h0c2000]

Expecting Belichick to instantly turn UNC into a college powerhouse is as idiotic as those who expected Wolf to turn around the Patriots in 6 months have been. Football programs are large enterprises, and it takes a ton of work to turn a bad or mediocre program around at either level. Belichick will turn UNC into a top program, but don’t expect it to happen in a matter of months.

What's a top program? A team that plays in the Wasabi Bowl? Bill will never coach a team in the CFP. That's my prediction.

 

[vicspats]

What's a top program? A team that plays in the Wasabi Bowl? Bill will never coach a team in the CFP. That's my prediction.

Honestly speaking, playing devils advocate here, without Bill UNC could be a top 25 team? It’s not out of the realm, it’s not as though the ACC is a real Power house? Win a 2 more games on any given year and you could be in the playoffs? With this new playoff format it will bring other teams into the mix, which is cool. Some teams aren’t worthy to be there, relatively speaking, but within time kids will gravitate to other schools for the exposure. I don’t think Bama and lsu and Ohio st will not carry 7 great wide receivers and 3 future nfl qbs each moving forward every year. I’m hoping the wealth will spread.

 

[XLIX]

Honestly speaking, playing devils advocate here, without Bill UNC could be a top 25 team?

UNC was ranked in the top 225 at some point during 4 of the past 5 seasons, but they finished in the top 25 only once.

I don't know if you consider that "a top 25 team" but let's just say they are not a perennial top 25 team.

It’s not out of the realm, it’s not as though the ACC is a real Power house? Win a 2 more games on any given year and you could be in the playoffs?

Belichick will have to do better than "win 2 more games" in order to make the playoffs at UNC.

 

[vicspats]

UNC was ranked in the top 225 at some point during 4 of the past 5 seasons, but they finished in the top 25 only once.

I don't know if you consider that "a top 25 team" but let's just say they are not a perennial top 25 team.

Belichick will have to do better than "win 2 more games" in order to make the playoffs at UNC.

The last ten years UNC has avg 7-5 seasons. 70
Wins 50 losses … so you are right 2 probly wouldn’t do it , but 3 would? It’s all hyperbole until it’s accomplished anyways. Could Bill be the difference?

 

[XLIX]

The last ten years UNC has avg 7-5 seasons. 70
Wins 50 losses … so you are right 2 probly wouldn’t do it , but 3 would? It’s all hyperbole until it’s accomplished anyways. Could Bill be the difference?

Bill's best bet to make the playoffs is to pull what SMU did this past season. Have an undefeated conference schedule because you didn't really play anyone. Unfortunately, they have Clemson each of the next 2 years so that'll be a tough - but not impossible - road.

 

[TommyD4207]

UNC was ranked in the top 225 at some point during 4 of the past 5 seasons, but they finished in the top 25 only once.

I don't know if you consider that "a top 25 team" but let's just say they are not a perennial top 25 team.

Belichick will have to do better than "win 2 more games" in order to make the playoffs at UNC.

I mean, 'win 2 more games' puts them at 8-4. Win 3 more games and it's 9-3, and Clemson got into the ACC Championship at 9-3 this year.

There's not a whole lot of teams 'getting better' in that conference. SMU and Miami should compete again just with their NIL money, and Clemson's defense will keep them in a lot of games, but beyond that, eh.

 

[XLIX]

I mean, 'win 2 more games' puts them at 8-4. Win 3 more games and it's 9-3, and Clemson got into the ACC Championship at 9-3 this year.

They got in at 10-3, with that 10th win being the ACC Championship game.

Obviously getting in with 3 losses is possible, but it is not a strategy I would rely on. Clemson plays a much tougher OOC schedule and 2 of those losses were OOC.

There's not a whole lot of teams 'getting better' in that conference.

You don't have the first clue who is or isn't getting better in that conference.... Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, Southern Methodist have all made major strides in the right direction over the past 2 years. The ACC sent 2 teams to the playoffs and also had the #2 "left out" team.

SMU and Miami should compete again just with their NIL money, and Clemson's defense will keep them in a lot of games, but beyond that, eh.

If you want to talk about how bad the teams in the ACC are that's fine, but that just makes UNC look even worse for coming in 12th in such a mediocre conference.