The Official Vrabel vs Ben Johnson Discussion Thread

[Steve102]

 

[Zuma]

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Are you really asking how Belichick worked out as the coach of the patriots?

Crappy. Let me tell you about all the super bowls he should have won *rolls eyes*

 

[NashuaPats]

I’ve been indifferent to Vrabel vs Johnson. Now I’m leaning to Vrabel just because he can begin putting his staff together. It will be so important to get the best coordinators and other coaches as possible. We can also begin movie forward in the personnel department.

This past season was a disaster. Aside from game planning and adjustment problems, players weren’t being developed well. Getting great position coaches will be so important. I think Vrabel has the experience, respect, and connections to make this happen and he’s been planning it for the past year.

 

[Love The Drake]

I guess the concern would be you fall in love with Johnson Johnson has a change of heart and either stays in Detroit or takes the Chicago job and now you lose both top candidates.

Here’s hoping Johnson has a solid internet connection today.

 

[Headcase]

"real" interviews? What were the limits placed on the virtual interviews? At this point, many decisions are made without being face-to-face with decision-makers. The world is beyond looking into the eyes of those that we are evaluating.
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Vrabel has the leverage because he is a top candidate and Kraft cannot hire Johnson immediately.

The virtual interviews are limited to 3hrs....in person interviews typically are a full work day kinda thing.

 

[Toofy]

I don't see how you can take the risk with Johnson when you have vrabel in kitty.

If Johnson changes heart, we are screwed because then it has to be either Flores or monken or Joe Brady. Too risky.

Vrabel 99% unless Johnson accepts verbatim, golden handshake and cancels bears interview and all other interviews.

 

[upstater1]

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Are you really asking how Belichick worked out as the coach of the patriots?

I'm going to say it: if BB didn't tack a pin to his belly, he'd still be the coach of the Patriots.

There's a reason that Reiss lead off his tome on the Belichick firing with that story.

 

[Love The Drake]

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I don't see how you can take the risk with Johnson when you have vrabel in kitty.

If Johnson changes heart, we are screwed because then it has to be either Flores or monken or Joe Brady. Too risky.

Vrabel 99% unless Johnson accepts verbatim, golden handshake and cancels bears interview and all other interviews.

you can’t get McDanieled.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I woke up today leaning towards: eff it. Blow it all up. Grab BJ (if he doesn't completely blow the interview). Go big or go home with an offensive coach and Maye. I think it's easier to build a Reid/Mahomes or Payton/Brees combo than it is to find your next Brady/Belichick

 

[Ross12]

I woke up today leaning towards: eff it. Blow it all up. Grab BJ (if he doesn't completely blow the interview). Go big or go home with an offensive coach and Maye. I think it's easier to build a Reid/Mahomes or Payton/Brees combo than it is to find your next Brady/Belichick

Sounds nice in theory but you can't put pen to paper for Johnson until his team's season ends which might not be for over 4 weeks from now. He would be free to pick someone else or decide to stay in Detroit between now and then while you are sitting on your hands. If you had picked Vrabel you could already have your coaching staff largely sorted out and your front office re-organized and attending the Senior Bowl together by that point.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Sounds nice in theory but you can't put pen to paper for Johnson until his team's season ends which might not be for over 4 weeks from now. He would be free to pick someone else or decide to stay in Detroit between now and then while you are sitting on your hands. If you had picked Vrabel you could already have your coaching staff largely sorted out and your front office re-organized and attending the Senior Bowl together by that point.

I just don't think Kraft will choose another first time HC
I do understand there is a huge difference between Mayo and BJ
Kraft has to mend fences with the fanbase
Vrabel is not only the safe pick. He brings nostalgia back to Patriot fans
I'm not saying it is the right way to think
Just putting myself in Kraft's shoes

 

[ViperGTS]

Sounds nice in theory but you can't put pen to paper for Johnson until his team's season ends which might not be for over 4 weeks from now. He would be free to pick someone else or decide to stay in Detroit between now and then while you are sitting on your hands. If you had picked Vrabel you could already have your coaching staff largely sorted out and your front office re-organized and attending the Senior Bowl together by that point.

Thats not a good enough reason. I wouldn't count Johnson out to be honest. He has heard the Vrabel BS around the Boston and national media and yet he is still making the interview.

That says something to me. I'd be happy with either but Johnson is very much not a concern like Mayo was. He has been groomed for this and is an incredibly bright mind. He might be the next McVay to be honest.

 

[Thelonious]

It sounds like the Pats are at the top of the list for attractive landing spots. I think the list of interviews would be longer if they didn't think they had a really, really good shot at landing one of the top two candidates.

You are more likely right than not, but weird things happen all the time. Whenever I buy a new guitar (which I do more often than i should) I research the heck out of it, settle on a choice, then at the last minute choose something else entirely, maybe because my first choice has lost its novelty for me since I've been thinking about it so long. We'd like to think that a multi-billion-dollar enterprise would be immune to such silliness, but I kind of doubt that is so, given some of the weird choices that are made.

 

[Sect140]

Sounds nice in theory but you can't put pen to paper for Johnson until his team's season ends which might not be for over 4 weeks from now. He would be free to pick someone else or decide to stay in Detroit between now and then while you are sitting on your hands. If you had picked Vrabel you could already have your coaching staff largely sorted out and your front office re-organized and attending the Senior Bowl together by that point.

That’s my concern, three weeks from now he shows up spends all day here and for whatever reason it doesn’t feel right to him and he decides to go back to the Lions and Vrabel has signed with another team. In a perfect world Detroit either didn’t make play-offs or lose wild card weekend.

 

[Love The Drake]

Any leaks about the interview?

 

[ViperGTS]

Zannis sums it up perfectly. I really, really, really like the idea of Vrabel.

I just like the Johnson idea better for most of the reasons he states here.

 

[Ross12]

Thats not a good enough reason. I wouldn't count Johnson out to be honest. He has heard the Vrabel BS around the Boston and national media and yet he is still making the interview.

That says something to me. I'd be happy with either but Johnson is very much not a concern like Mayo was. He has been groomed for this and is an incredibly bright mind. He might be the next McVay to be honest.

Yeah I don't have any concerns about him either, I think he will be good. I'm happy with either hire. It's just something to consider.

 

[Love The Drake]

Yeah I don't have any concerns about him either, I think he will be good. I'm happy with either hire. It's just something to consider.

I’m going to be thrilled with either one if we don’t get either we’re on to Joe Brady or Kellen Moore.

 

[Headcase]

Any leaks about the interview?

I'm sure there will be a Social Media post when it is over, but we haven't heard anything more about Vrabel's interview either.

 

[ViperGTS]

I’m going to be thrilled with either one if we don’t get either we’re on to Joe Brady or Kellen Moore.

They will get one of either Vrabel or Johnson. Thats isn't a debate imo. If you have Drake Maye in mind, and you listen to Johnsons' presentation vs Vrabels, then the choice is clear.

Zannis is correct. What happened in Tenn when his OCs got plucked to be HCs? Nothing good, the luck ran out and his offenses started to struggle. This is why if you have a legit high end QB, you pick the offensive minded HC. If you don't have a legit high end QB, you get a defensive minded coach because thats a better way to win games.

It's all pretty simple. The league has changed.