Milton already getting inquiries

[gobesmug]

Except it isn't wrong.
Snapcount for the Bills defense from Sunday.

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I guess if you consider Damar Hamlin the entire starting Secondary then well.... The D line was primarily 2nd, 3rd and PS players. They literally had a SS playing Corner for nearly 60% of the snaps. Come on if that doesn't tell you what they were doing, then I don't know what will. Our Oline was mixing in and out all game. I think him being under pressure all day was primarily our Oline sucking and him holding on to the ball forever.

Hamlin is a starting Safety. Douglas is their starting CB and played Miltons first 2 drives. T Rapp their other starting safety played 27 snaps at 47%. Idk why your list doesn't have him but here is another list showing his numbers.




So like I said, for Miltons first 2 TD drives he faced 3 out 4 of Buffalo's starting secondary. He was perfect against that secondary.

Stop the false 3rd string and grocery baggers nonsense.

this wasn't preseason, this was a playoff secondary he faced and excelled against

 

[gobesmug]

Except it isn't wrong.
Snapcount for the Bills defense from Sunday.

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I guess if you consider Damar Hamlin the entire starting Secondary then well.... The D line was primarily 2nd, 3rd and PS players. They literally had a SS playing Corner for nearly 60% of the snaps. Come on if that doesn't tell you what they were doing, then I don't know what will. Our Oline was mixing in and out all game. I think him being under pressure all day was primarily our Oline sucking and him holding on to the ball forever.

The dline doesn't matter. That dline was hungry and shut the run game down for the first 3 quarters and applied nonstop pressure.

Milton wasnt standing around all day and having a RB take the edge off. He was making plays under duress.

That doesnt mean he is an All Pro and the Pats should ship off Maye, but don't discredit his performance with false or misleading narratives

 

[TommyD4207]

Milton was NOT better than Richardson during camp. It was excellent QB coaching that has corrected some of Milton's problems and has started his development into a solid NFL QB.

He was. He was better in college too, a lot better.

 

[mgcolby]

Hamlin is a starting Safety. Douglas is their starting CB and played Miltons first 2 drives. T Rapp their other starting safety played 27 snaps at 47%. Idk why your list doesn't have him but here is another list showing his numbers.




So like I said, for Miltons first 2 TD drives he faced 3 out 4 of Buffalo's starting secondary. He was perfect against that secondary.

Stop the false 3rd string and grocery baggers nonsense.

this wasn't preseason, this was a playoff secondary he faced and excelled against

Thats the same list I used. Not sure how I missed him. Wasn't intentional. You stated he played against their starting secondary, implying the whole game. And all it takes is one knucklehead in the secondary to be out of place to Screw everything up. Either way, look you can buy into whatever it is you want to. It was garbage time football against primarily backups, even if the entire secondary played the entire game it was still 2/3rds of the starting defense that is near the bottom of the league in pass defense. If that is meaningful to you then have fun. The kid is what he is. A project. He looked much better than expected no more no less, IMO.

 

[NE_Zealot]

Keep him, more valuable to us as a backup than tradebait

 

[gobesmug]

Thats the same list I used. Not sure how I missed him. Wasn't intentional. You stated he played against their starting secondary, implying the whole game. And all it takes is one knucklehead in the secondary to be out of place to Screw everything up. Either way, look you can buy into whatever it is you want to. It was garbage time football against primarily backups, even if the entire secondary played the entire game it was still 2/3rds of the starting defense that is near the bottom of the league in pass defense. If that is meaningful to you then have fun. The kid is what he is. A project. He looked much better than expected no more no less, IMO.

It comes down to passing.

This time of year it's rare to find a team that has all their starting players.

When people say 3rd string and garbage time they are trying to imply it was an easy game. I mean Maye played the same Defense Milton did that first drive and did nothing. He forced a pass to his TE again and the timing and accuracy was off leading to an incompletion.

If you watched the game, which I'm starting to doubtl you did.. You would have seen that the Bills dline put constant pressure in the pass game and stopped the run game entirely. Who cares who did it, because they were effective.

The importance of bringing up the competition in the secondary is important because the Pats wide receivers were playing against real NFL DBs.

Joe Milton was playing with real NFL pressure, throwing against real NFL DBs. He manuavered around the back field to buy time and create throwing lanes. He made passes to where the WRs were going hitting them in stride. He made some tight window throws that only his WRs could get to.

He had an amazing first game performance. Everyone on this board was asking for Milton with lots people cracking jokes about him over throwing everyone throwing multiple interceptions.

Instead he completed his first 12 passes, his first incompletion was a smart throw away. He took what the defense gave him and didn't throw a single risky pass trying to be hero.

Any objective person who watched him play would credit his performance. Again, it's not endorsement for him to be named the started next season, cause of obviously if you thought he could do that every game he would need to get serious considerations

 

[gobesmug]

The comparison was how the hype started after only one game.

Add Jimmy G to the list.

The hype started because Milton was well known coming out of college as an athletic freak with the strongest arm in college, with a ton of jokes like, Milton will throw it 80 yards and when you need him to make a 15 yard throw he will still throw it 80 yards.

No one thought Milton could be accurate and lots of people thought he should make a positional change for the NFL.

Against the Bills he was accurate and made smart decisions. If he had done that in college consistently he would have been a top 10 pick with his physical abilities.

Obviously 1 game isn't enough for a team to make a huge trade, but I'd imagine next preseason QB needy teams will watch closely how Milton is looking

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Assuming that Maye proves himself to be the long term franchise QB we think he is, the QB room should always have 1 development QB and 1 veteran. If they hit on a developmental guy it is great to have a quality backup who can be traded when his contract gets to the end. Milton could be the next Jimmy G without the animosity or fragility.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Maye played 10 games and got hurt in two of them. The Pats will need Milton, who hopefully gives Maye the Brady treatment.

His skills are off the charts!

 

[mgcolby]

It comes down to passing.

This time of year it's rare to find a team that has all their starting players.

When people say 3rd string and garbage time they are trying to imply it was an easy game. I mean Maye played the same Defense Milton did that first drive and did nothing. He forced a pass to his TE again and the timing and accuracy was off leading to an incompletion.

If you watched the game, which I'm starting to doubtl you did.. You would have seen that the Bills dline put constant pressure in the pass game and stopped the run game entirely. Who cares who did it, because they were effective.

The importance of bringing up the competition in the secondary is important because the Pats wide receivers were playing against real NFL DBs.

Joe Milton was playing with real NFL pressure, throwing against real NFL DBs. He manuavered around the back field to buy time and create throwing lanes. He made passes to where the WRs were going hitting them in stride. He made some tight window throws that only his WRs could get to.

He had an amazing first game performance. Everyone on this board was asking for Milton with lots people cracking jokes about him over throwing everyone throwing multiple interceptions.

Instead he completed his first 12 passes, his first incompletion was a smart throw away. He took what the defense gave him and didn't throw a single risky pass trying to be hero.

Any objective person who watched him play would credit his performance. Again, it's not endorsement for him to be named the started next season, cause of obviously if you thought he could do that every game he would need to get serious considerations

We clearly do not agree on this.

- I did credit his play multiple times in this thread.
- I didn't crack jokes so that is neither here nor there for me.
-I find very little to take away from that game and yes I watched it.
- I equate that game to a pre season game.

As I said you can place as much stock into the game as you like. That is your prerogative. Each team signed like 6 PS players for the game. I really don't know what else to say. So I won't any more. I think agreeing to disagree is the best ending to this discussion.

 

[gobesmug]

We clearly do not agree on this.

- I did credit his play multiple times in this thread.
- I didn't crack jokes so that is neither here nor there for me.
-I find very little to take away from that game and yes I watched it.
- I equate that game to a pre season game.

As I said you can place as much stock into the game as you like. That is your prerogative. Each team signed like 6 PS players for the game. I really don't know what else to say. So I won't any more. I think agreeing to disagree is the best ending to this discussion.

I didn't mean you specifically but I had seen multiple posters making the same claim about Milton playing 3rd stringers and practice squad players, which was misleading.

I was clarifying that Milton did indeed face part of the Bills starting defensive unit, which is factual. I've made no claims beyond that

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I didn't mean you specifically but I had seen multiple posters making the same claim about Milton playing 3rd stringers and practice squad players, which was misleading.

I was clarifying that Milton did indeed face part of the Bills starting defensive unit, which is factual. I've made no claims beyond that

There is no doubt Milton looked good in a game that resembled a preseason game where the primary objective of the opposition was not winning the game. He looked much better against a combination of Bills starters and backups than he did in the preseason against a lot of players not good enough to make the roster. Even though he showed real development from the last time we saw him, this could be nothing more than the Zappe Cleveland game. As a reliable backup and competition for Drake, the team may well have found 2 QBs in this draft.

 

[Simpelton]

There is no doubt Milton looked good in a game that resembled a preseason game where the primary objective of the opposition was not winning the game. He looked much better against a combination of Bills starters and backups than he did in the preseason against a lot of players not good enough to make the roster. Even though he showed real development from the last time we saw him, this could be nothing more than the Zappe Cleveland game. As a reliable backup and competition for Drake, the team may well have found 2 QBs in this draft.

Well put

I think some folks are so eager to pump the brakes on a nonexistent hype train for Milton that they're not reading what people are actually saying.

It would be just as absurd to make the argument that Drake Maye isn't the starter on week 1 next year as it would be to argue that Joe Milton showed us nothing important in Week 18.

Week 18 was a chance for Milton to show his development and show the suits what he's learned over the year. Mission more than accomplished IMHO. Especially given that other teams are making price checks. This isn't a bunch of fans getting excited, the suits who get paid to do this stuff liked what they saw too, and that tells me a lot.

Now this might easily all come to nothing, but what the hell. We haven't had a hell of a lot to hope for in the last 2 years, let us have this one, at least until proven otherwise.

I think that Brissett will probably be kept around, by the way. We're hurting for veteran leaders in that locker room right now, and that's one thing Brissett has always provided. The last thing we need is to take yet one more veteran voice out of the picture right now. But in terms of who I'd go to first if Maye blew his knee out, I'd go to Milton first, with Brissett around as a warm body if necessary.

 

[mgteich]

Well put

I think some folks are so eager to pump the brakes on a nonexistent hype train for Milton that they're not reading what people are actually saying.

It would be just as absurd to make the argument that Drake Maye isn't the starter on week 1 next year as it would be to argue that Joe Milton showed us nothing important in Week 18.

Week 18 was a chance for Milton to show his development and show the suits what he's learned over the year. Mission more than accomplished IMHO. Especially given that other teams are making price checks. This isn't a bunch of fans getting excited, the suits who get paid to do this stuff liked what they saw too, and that tells me a lot.

Now this might easily all come to nothing, but what the hell. We haven't had a hell of a lot to hope for in the last 2 years, let us have this one, at least until proven otherwise.

I think that Brissett will probably be kept around, by the way. We're hurting for veteran leaders in that locker room right now, and that's one thing Brissett has always provided. The last thing we need is to take yet one more veteran voice out of the picture right now. But in terms of who I'd go to first if Maye blew his knee out, I'd go to Milton first, with Brissett around as a warm body if necessary.

We should get a veteran emergency #3 QB. The new staff can make that choice. I don't want that choice to be Brissett.

I could even see this being another 5th or 6th round draft choice.

 

[n1997y]

He may have had a concussion in the jet game, but I don’t remember him being in concussion protocol.
Evaluated does not mean he had a concussion and bring out back in the game means he passed the evaluation.

No, he doesn’t have a history of concussions he may have had 1.

I don’t think they should have no backup.
Im also not sold one game against backups who were trying to lose. I remember a rookie he had 2 really good games a couple of years ago against trans trying to win. That didn’t turn out so well. We need a veteran to compete for the backup job in camp.

Maye was removed from the Jets game after being diagnosed with a concussion.

He was in concussion protocol for the next week.

Two other times he was evaluated for concussions. At least one of those times he was sent to the locker room for further evaluation. He was not diagnosed with a concussion either time, which may mean he did not have a concussion or may mean he had a concussion that did not get diagnosed by the screening procedures used. There is no way to know which of those is true.

He had a concussion ergo he has a concussion history. He may have had multiple concussions, or he may have had only one.

Even one concussion is worrisome. If he has another it’s more likely he will miss the following game, because a previous concussion predisposes for more severe subsequent concussions.

Keeping Milton as insurance is a good idea.

 

[n1997y]

Assuming that Maye proves himself to be the long term franchise QB we think he is, the QB room should always have 1 development QB and 1 veteran. If they hit on a developmental guy it is great to have a quality backup who can be traded when his contract gets to the end. Milton could be the next Jimmy G without the animosity or fragility.

Totally agree. I would accept a new developmental rookie and a second year player if the second year player has shown enough development in his first year.

EDIT: to be clear, I think Milton as #2 QB and a rookie development project behind Maye would be okay for the coming year.

We should get a veteran emergency #3 QB. The new staff can make that choice. I don't want that choice to be Brissett.

I could even see this being another 5th or 6th round draft choice.

As stated above. There need to be three QBs available. The third one can be a raw “break glass in emergency” developmental rookie. The second can be a veteran backup or a developmental project with enough time in the system that the staff believes him capable of doing a credible job if needed.

Think back to starting the 2016 season with Brady as #1 QB but suspended. Garoppolo had two years in the system as a developmental project and Brady's backup, and Brissett was a fresh rookie. Great example of the ideal situation, and results were not bad.

 

[Ring 6]

Maye was removed from the Jets game after being diagnosed with a concussion.

He was in concussion protocol for the next week.

Two other times he was evaluated for concussions. At least one of those times he was sent to the locker room for further evaluation. He was not diagnosed with a concussion either time, which may mean he did not have a concussion or may mean he had a concussion that did not get diagnosed by the screening procedures used. There is no way to know which of those is true.

He had a concussion ergo he has a concussion history. He may have had multiple concussions, or he may have had only one.

Even one concussion is worrisome. If he has another it’s more likely he will miss the following game, because a previous concussion predisposes for more severe subsequent concussions.

Keeping Milton as insurance is a good idea.

If he had a concussion that wasn’t diagnosed by the in game screening procedures it would have been diagnosed after the game, and he would have been in concussion protocol. We had players go into concussion protocol from concussions occurring in practice. These players are watched very closely when there is a potential concussion. If he had a concussion we would know.