Milton already getting inquiries

[gobesmug]

Jimmy G brought back a 2nd. A 6th round pick heading into his second year with nothing but pre-season and a garbage time game against a the Bills Freshman team is not going to bring back a 2nd, most likely not a 3rd hence why I said a desperate team, so if a team comes knocking with a 4th you take it.

Wrong.

The Bills had numerous starting players on defense including most of their starting secondary on Milton's first 2 scoring drive.

Their starting FS played the entire game and the starting SS played the first half. They had a starting LB play the entire the entire game, they had one of their starting CBs player the first few drives and had their primary backup CB play the entire game.

The veteran dline got the rest but that didn't matter because their young backups were hungry to prove themselves and constantly applied pressure to Milton the entire game. Milton had to scramble and avoid the rush on almost every snap.

So no, this false narrative of Milton playing against scrubs in a meaningless preseason game is BS. The Bills didn't go all out to win but they most certainly didn't just let the Pats walk over them. That defense was trying the entire game.

It wasn't until the 4th quarter the Gibson was able to gain any yardage in the run game. Up until the 4th qtr he was met in the backfield on almost every run attempt and only had one good run after he broke a tackle in the back field

 

[gobesmug]

Or another DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel etc... Then watch him walk for maybe a 5th or 6th round comp? Trade his ass if its anything above a 5th.

Then what happens if Maye gets hurt of fails to progress and Milton turns into another Lamar that we traded away after 1 season for a meaningless 3rd rd pick?

No reason at all to trade Milton for so little. QB is the most valuable position in the NFL by far and Milton just demonstrated that his one big weakness, accuracy, is not an issue.

Outside of his questionable accuracy in college Milton was the most physically talented QB in the draft. Yes 1 game doesn't mean he will be special, but he has only played 1 game and played nearly perfect

 

[Simpelton]

Boomer and Simms just discussed Milton and they were high on him. Mostly from a physical stand point. But Phil did say that he keeps hearing Anthony Richardson and that he finds that absurd because Milton is a more polished passer than Richardson.

Some more of this and maybe sneak out a 3rd from a desperate team that has a few thirds from comp picks or whatever.

I don't see a reason we can't keep both right now. Young quarterbacks are like raffle tickets. You have a better chance of succeeding if you have more than one.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

They probably won't. Barring an injury to Maye, Milton is unlikely to play meaningful snaps by this time next year. If Maye gets injured, he won't be playing third stringers. If you get a 2 or 3 you take it.

The Pats might use Milton like the Saints used Taysom Hill. The dude could be amazing on certain QB runs.

 

[Simpelton]

The Pats might use Milton like the Saints used Taysom Hill. The dude could be amazing on certain QB runs.

I think it's very good odds that Maye and Milton will split time, with Maye getting the lion's share of snaps. But against teams with a heavy pass rush Milton might wind up playing more than Maye if what we saw last Sunday isn't an illusion.

Milton's ability to play outside the pocket to neutralize the pass rush was the best part of his game, and if the O-line isn't standing up, there may be games where Milton gives us the best chance to win.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think it's very good odds that Maye and Milton will split time, with Maye getting the lion's share of snaps. But against teams with a heavy pass rush Milton might wind up playing more than Maye if what we saw last Sunday isn't an illusion.

Milton's ability to play outside the pocket to neutralize the pass rush was the best part of his game, and if the O-line isn't standing up, there may be games where Milton gives us the best chance to win.

I think Milton will play it more in a spot role. 5 or 6 plays a game.

 

[mgcolby]

The Pats might use Milton like the Saints used Taysom Hill. The dude could be amazing on certain QB runs.

I did not consider that.

 

[gobesmug]

I think it's very good odds that Maye and Milton will split time, with Maye getting the lion's share of snaps. But against teams with a heavy pass rush Milton might wind up playing more than Maye if what we saw last Sunday isn't an illusion.

Milton's ability to play outside the pocket to neutralize the pass rush was the best part of his game, and if the O-line isn't standing up, there may be games where Milton gives us the best chance to win.

This isn't college. You can't run a system designed to use 2 different QBs.

If they did that it would prevent both Maye and Milton from growing into complete QBs and once their rookie contracts are up you wouldn't be able to afford both and would be stuck with limited QB.

 

[mgcolby]

Then what happens if Maye gets hurt of fails to progress and Milton turns into another Lamar that we traded away after 1 season for a meaningless 3rd rd pick?

No reason at all to trade Milton for so little. QB is the most valuable position in the NFL by far and Milton just demonstrated that his one big weakness, accuracy, is not an issue.

Outside of his questionable accuracy in college Milton was the most physically talented QB in the draft. Yes 1 game doesn't mean he will be special, but he has only played 1 game and played nearly perfect

What if you had bought that lottery ticket the other day?

Seriously it was one game against third stringers and practice squad players clearly not really trying to win the game. I have commented that he definitely looked poised, had much better accuracy than we had seen previously, his touch on the short passes was much improved etc...but again its one very tiny sample in a very odd situation.

We have nearly an entire roster that needs to be overhauled. Mid-round draft picks are valuable, especially at LB, RB, OL etc... players we need. Backup QB although I am not lessening its value, is not at the top of the list. So if you can flip essentially a 6th round pick for a 4th or a 3rd for a project QB you do it. Draft another kid in the 7 round or sign an UDFA and grab a vet to replace Jacoby. Right now we don't have the luxery to have "2 QB's", we need folks that get on the field and help us now. One if by Sea mentioned possibly using him like Taysum Hill, I didn't consider that. Now if he can be that kind of guy then I'm all for it, but like I said we need guys that can help on the field.

It's just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, just that this is my opinion and what I would do. It's not a hill I'm going to die on.

 

[The Gr8est]

What if you had bought that lottery ticket the other day?

Seriously it was one game against third stringers and practice squad players clearly not really trying to win the game. I have commented that he definitely looked poised, had much better accuracy than we had seen previously, his touch on the short passes was much improved etc...but again its one very tiny sample in a very odd situation.

We have nearly an entire roster that needs to be overhauled. Mid-round draft picks are valuable, especially at LB, RB, OL etc... players we need. Backup QB although I am not lessening its value, is not at the top of the list. So if you can flip essentially a 6th round pick for a 4th or a 3rd for a project QB you do it. Draft another kid in the 7 round or sign an UDFA and grab a vet to replace Jacoby. Right now we don't have the luxery to have "2 QB's", we need folks that get on the field and help us now. One if by Sea mentioned possibly using him like Taysum Hill, I didn't consider that. Now if he can be that kind of guy then I'm all for it, but like I said we need guys that can help on the field.

It's just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, just that this is my opinion and what I would do. It's not a hill I'm going to die on.

I would not flip Milton for less than a 2nd. He is too valuable to the Pats as is.

If another team wants to use him as their starter then they need to pay up.

Milton is not Brady, but both were 6th round picks.

What you paid is not necessarily what their worth becomes.

 

[mgteich]

Boomer and Simms just discussed Milton and they were high on him. Mostly from a physical stand point. But Phil did say that he keeps hearing Anthony Richardson and that he finds that absurd because Milton is a more polished passer than Richardson.

Some more of this and maybe sneak out a 3rd from a desperate team that has a few thirds from comp picks or whatever.

Milton was NOT better than Richardson during camp. It was excellent QB coaching that has corrected some of Milton's problems and has started his development into a solid NFL QB.

 

[mgcolby]

I would not flip Milton for less than a 2nd. He is too valuable to the Pats as is.

If another team wants to use him as their starter then they need to pay up.

Milton is not Brady, but both were 6th round picks.

What you paid is not necessarily what their worth becomes.

Understood. But his worth is not a 2nd right now. If a team offers that put him in a bubble and put him on a plane. IMO, a lot of folks over value players and under value picks in the NFL. I mean teams don't just toss around 1st and 2nd round picks on non-proven player. Its the same argument in reverse...yeah he could become a special player but he also could be a bust. I will say the only possible way you get a second for him if its a conditional pick, say a 3rd that becomes a second if he starts, I don't know, 8 games or something. That IMO is still a pipe dream but the only way its possible.

All this talk is probably for not, because I don't think anyone gives them a 4th. And he's probably here anyway.

 

[mgcolby]

Milton was NOT better than Richardson during camp. It was excellent QB coaching that has corrected some of Milton's problems and has started his development into a solid NFL QB.

Phil Simms disagrees with you and I think Richardson sucked then and still sucks now. So, I would have to say I disagree with you. But I do agree the coaching was a huge benefit to him. I mentioned that in another post. Its a credit to him for taking the coaching and a credit to AVP for coaching him up.

 

[mgteich]

Phil Simms disagrees with you and I think Richardson sucked then and still sucks now. So, I would have to say I disagree with you. But I do agree the coaching was a huge benefit to him. I mentioned that in another post. Its a credit to him for taking the coaching and a credit to AVP for coaching him up.

Yes, Richardson sucked during camp. Certainly, he was nowhere close to being an NFL QB.

My point is that Milton wasn't any better during camp. Clearly, it doesn't matter now. We now have our replacement for Brissett, although I would still add a veteran to be the emergency QB and to run the scout team (Milton's roles in 20240

I would note that the judgments were a bit skewed. It was hoped that Richardson would be a top QB in 2024.

Milton's evaluation was based on whether he should make the team, and whether he could contribute as a #2 in 2025.

 

[TheRainMaker]

In our dreams... firstly, we'd need a wacko GM to trade us something good for Milton III. Secondly, Shaub !?!? That would be out of this world. If Milton ever became Shaub I'd be over the moon. Solid player.

The comparison was how the hype started after only one game.

Add Jimmy G to the list.

 

[Grogan14]

Keep him!!!

 

[Simpelton]

This isn't college. You can't run a system designed to use 2 different QBs.

Why not?

 

[gobesmug]

What if you had bought that lottery ticket the other day?

Seriously it was one game against third stringers and practice squad players clearly not really trying to win the game. I have commented that he definitely looked poised, had much better accuracy than we had seen previously, his touch on the short passes was much improved etc...but again its one very tiny sample in a very odd situation.

We have nearly an entire roster that needs to be overhauled. Mid-round draft picks are valuable, especially at LB, RB, OL etc... players we need. Backup QB although I am not lessening its value, is not at the top of the list. So if you can flip essentially a 6th round pick for a 4th or a 3rd for a project QB you do it. Draft another kid in the 7 round or sign an UDFA and grab a vet to replace Jacoby. Right now we don't have the luxery to have "2 QB's", we need folks that get on the field and help us now. One if by Sea mentioned possibly using him like Taysum Hill, I didn't consider that. Now if he can be that kind of guy then I'm all for it, but like I said we need guys that can help on the field.

It's just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, just that this is my opinion and what I would do. It's not a hill I'm going to die on.

Again that is wrong. He played against the Bills starting secondary. He was also under pressure the entire game

 

[gobesmug]

Why not?

I explained in the rest of the post

 

[mgcolby]

Again that is wrong. He played against the Bills starting secondary. He was also under pressure the entire game

Except it isn't wrong.
Snapcount for the Bills defense from Sunday.

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I guess if you consider Damar Hamlin the entire starting Secondary then well.... The D line was primarily 2nd, 3rd and PS players. They literally had a SS playing Corner for nearly 60% of the snaps. Come on if that doesn't tell you what they were doing, then I don't know what will. Our Oline was mixing in and out all game. I think him being under pressure all day was primarily our Oline sucking and him holding on to the ball forever.