Who do you want/predict will be the next head coach?

[jdlboot14]

I won't mind if it's Vrabel - but I'd be extremely wary if he brings Josh back.
Not because I haven't always really liked Josh, and he clearly knows what he's doing - but the failures in any other building he's been in concern me. I realize that's been as HC, but fresh blood may be better in the offensive system.
Whoever the OC is - I think the Krafts and Wolf should almost require AVP stays as QB coach to work with whatever system is implemented. Maye seemed to love AVP and some consistency is good for a 2nd year guy.

 

[p8ryts]

I’m completely opposed to going back to the Erhardt Perkins offense. Changing offensive systems with a young QB is a terrible idea.

I've never played organized football, so I speak as a spectator. I know they may have to learn new verbiage. It happens all the time. However, it seems like handoff left, handoff right, drop back, throw right long, short, throw left same, in the middle same, check downs same. It seems like much of the rest of it is window dressing.

 

[Pape]

I’m completely opposed to going back to the Erhardt Perkins offense. Changing offensive systems with a young QB is a terrible idea.

i love the EPO... its really a great scheme designed in New England for New England... the route concepts are simple as you want them to be... and while it may have gotten complicated here with Brady, it can be a very friendly offensive scheme to run...

but, honestly, why couldn't josh run the wco, or a version of it?

 

[Pape]

I don't think the Polk/Baker duo could handle EP either.

the base concept of EPO is easier than the WCO... We think of the EPO as being difficult because we had a master running it, and it evolved in complexity due to his mastery of it... no reason it couldn't be dialed back to a charlie weiss level offensive scheme, which a second year player ran to great effect

 

[Clonamery]

the base concept of EPO is easier than the WCO... We think of the EPO as being difficult because we had a master running it, and it evolved in complexity due to his mastery of it... no reason it couldn't be dialed back to a charlie weiss level offensive scheme, which a second year player ran to great effect

Not giving them that credit.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I need to see all the candidates first.

Right now it’s Johnson’s job if he wants it.

 

[JohnJH]

the base concept of EPO is easier than the WCO... We think of the EPO as being difficult because we had a master running it, and it evolved in complexity due to his mastery of it... no reason it couldn't be dialed back to a charlie weiss level offensive scheme, which a second year player ran to great effect

From what I've seen from Maye, he absolutely has the IQ, along with the physical ability, to run any offensive scheme. I'm just not a fan of Josh returning. An OC that can take advantage of Maye's special talents and who can adapt the Offense according to whatever defense that we face game to game, is what we ultimately want. I don't have a preference as to any specific scheme that's out there. I just know that Maye needs solid talent to help him and an Offensive Coaching Staff that can teach, game plan, and adjust in-game properly.

 

[Pape]

From what I've seen from Maye, he absolutely has the IQ, along with the physical ability, to run any offensive scheme. I'm just not a fan of Josh returning. An OC that can take advantage of Maye's special talents and who can adapt the Offense according to whatever defense that we face game to game, is what we ultimately want. I don't have a preference as to any specific scheme that's out there. I just know that Maye needs solid talent to help him and an Offensive Coaching Staff that can teach, game plan, and adjust in-game properly.

Maye could easily run epo, or a variation of it... its the other knuckleheads on the field you need to worry about...

as for josh mcdaniels returning, while some have issue with it, i do not... he may be a craptastic headcoach, but given a good qb to develop with, he can be a very effective OC, and thats all i really care about...

 

[n1997y]

first one is ray lewis killed a guy the second: josh mcdaniels-something-all points bulletin?

I thought JM = John McAfee. Another psycho killer. From a recent thread.

 

[n1997y]

I agree.
When he bought the team he had Parcells.
He then hired BB and Carroll who were all experienced retreads and all were great coaches
He goes out on a limb and hires a rookie HC and it is a disaster
I don’t think he will go down the path this time even though BJ is a far superior candidate
I just think he is snake bit
Kraft is also all about optics with fans.
If He passed on Vrabel a fan favorite and he went to the Jets and kicked our butts twice a year.
His ego and legacy would take a beating
If Vrabel wants it.I truthfully believe it’s his

It’s not clear Johnson is a superior candidate. There are widespread reservations about his lack of demonstrated program leadership experience, and his qualifications or abilities in that area. That’s why the Bears are reportedly scrutinizing him differently than they are other candidates.

 

[n1997y]

Want Johnson, going to be Vrabel.
I think they'll have to be blown away by someone to not choose Vrabel, and I find that hard to believe can happen in a few hours in an interview.

Reading all the Titans fans online from when he was fired the general consensus is that Vrabel is a middle of the NFL level head coach. Some say he was better than that and a few said he was bad but on average he's an "in and out" coach. You have a good team he'll have a good record, you have a bad team, hell have a bad record. He plays a conservative run first style (or he did with Henry) that kept Titans in games against better opponents. Mostly positive for in game management. Biggest negative is inability to hire and keep quality coaches on the offensive side of the ball. Defensive coaches and planning was good though.

Vrabel has a lot of positives; he is basically what Kraft wanted Mayo to be and he has connections to hire experienced coaches.

I'd prefer the possible homerun choice in Johnson over than the conservative OK choice in Vrabel. But each is a huge step up from Mayo.

Remember, home run hitters strike out a lot.

And if the Titans fans were calling Vrabel a middle of the pack HC after he was fired I figure that says he was an outstanding coach before he was fired. Fans always kick former players and coaches to the curb with yesterdays rubbish as soon as they’re no longer members of the tribe.

 

[n1997y]

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I would welcome back Josh in a heartbeat: Tommy Rees seems like a up and coming OC: Cleveland's Offense just lacked the consistent QB...Winston threw for close to 500 yds in a game this year.

I think RKK will prefer McD, as a familiar face he associates with good times and success. Tough to argue that, although he’s a retread getting long in the tooth. As is Robert. Personally I’d prefer Rees just to get some fresh blood in the organization.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think RKK will prefer McD, as a familiar face he associates with good times and success. Tough to argue that, although he’s a retread getting long in the tooth. As is Robert. Personally I’d prefer Rees just to get some fresh blood in the organization.

Oh I'm all for any OC that get maximize Drake and get him to the top 5 QB wich I know he will be become. Josh could do that! Another thing if note Josh would have pop with 90-100 catches.. the 3rd down back would be involved again. Just so much like with a McDaniels offense.

 

[KCSVEN]

Remember, home run hitters strike out a lot.

And if the Titans fans were calling Vrabel a middle of the pack HC after he was fired I figure that says he was an outstanding coach before he was fired. Fans always kick former players and coaches to the curb with yesterdays rubbish as soon as they’re no longer members of the tribe.

Plenty of fans called him rubbish, I can sort through that to find actual analysis of Vrabel.
I think he was a solid middle if the road NFL coach. However, I think he'll be better after his time in Cleveland and having had the experience in Tennessee.
To me offense wins, can he get a good OC and if they leave can he replace them with someone good.
With Johnson that's not an issue.
I'm good with either, I think risk/reward comes with both of them. Vrabel is the safer choice with less downside, Johnson is riskier with more upside.

 

[n1997y]

Plenty of fans called him rubbish, I can sort through that to find actual analysis of Vrabel.
I think he was a solid middle if the road NFL coach. However, I think he'll be better after his time in Cleveland and having had the experience in Tennessee.
To me offense wins, can he get a good OC and if they leave can he replace them with someone good.
With Johnson that's not an issue.
I'm good with either, I think risk/reward comes with both of them. Vrabel is the safer choice with less downside, Johnson is riskier with more upside.

Generally agree. I’m convinced minimizing risk is most important right now. One of Belichick’s key principles has always been don’t beat yourself, get the fundamentals right and execute flawlessly. Until we have that foundation in place, with a winning culture and strong locker room chemistry, everything else is secondary. Innovation is flashy but bright and shiny things aren’t often built to last. I’m looking for sustained excellence as the goal. Don’t want a flash in the pan.

Looking through that lens I’m not sure I’d say Johnson has more upside, just different upside. I see the comparison of him vs Vrabel as similar to looking at McVay vs Belichick going into Super Bowl LIII. McVay was the flashy offensive wizard, Belichick already had a defensive game plan in the HOF. Result was some great football.

 

[patsfan4life]

I want Vrabel because I feel like he is the most plugged in and will make the biggest difference to bring change to the front office and coaching ranks. I dont think he’s gonna come in and immediately start competing for Super Bowls but I feel like he can put the organization on the right track and be respectable in a few years. I need someone else coming in and shopping for the groceries too. I have no faith in Wolf.

I feel that Vrabel was passed over a year ago as he was too similar to "BB and hard to manage". A year later and I'm sure many dinners/ etc they have found that they can work together. So now it will happen. My problem with Vrabel is those Titans teams were very inconsistent played up to and down to the competition... Hopefully he puts a staff together and PATS get back to winning ways

 

[Simpelton]

Doesn't matter, he'll be fired by the end of next year.

Bob Kraft really has lived long enough to see himself become the villain. Or in this case, to become Jimmy Haslam.

 

[p8ryts]

From what I've seen from Maye, he absolutely has the IQ, along with the physical ability, to run any offensive scheme. I'm just not a fan of Josh returning. An OC that can take advantage of Maye's special talents and who can adapt the Offense according to whatever defense that we face game to game, is what we ultimately want. I don't have a preference as to any specific scheme that's out there. I just know that Maye needs solid talent to help him and an Offensive Coaching Staff that can teach, game plan, and adjust in-game properly.

Well, I think Josh did great

Plenty of fans called him rubbish, I can sort through that to find actual analysis of Vrabel.
I think he was a solid middle if the road NFL coach. However, I think he'll be better after his time in Cleveland and having had the experience in Tennessee.
To me offense wins, can he get a good OC and if they leave can he replace them with someone good.
With Johnson that's not an issue.
I'm good with either, I think risk/reward comes with both of them. Vrabel is the safer choice with less downside, Johnson is riskier with more upside.

Wouldn't be an issue with Mcdaniels either because no one is giving him a third shot.

 

[Boston Boxer]

As much as Ben Johnson is the style of coach we need it's too much risk to go with a rookie again.

Pretty sure It will be Vrabel.

just coming here to say the same thing. Cant afford to get this wrong again

 

[JohnJH]

Well, I think Josh did great

Wouldn't be an issue with Mcdaniels either because no one is giving him a third shot.

Although Josh wouldn't be my 1st choice, we could do a heck of a lot worse. And yes, I don't think he'd be leaving for a HC gig anytime soon.