Give me Vrabel or Give me Death

[ahmed]

If it’s Vrabel/ McDaniels, I guarantee another Super Bowl within the next 5 years, despite JeFraud’s efforts to undermine the franchise.

My condolences...

 

[dliverey44]

Vrabel as HC, McDaniels OC.

I am not super enthused about Josh

 

[upstater1]

Bill is a amazing coach. Defense was stout.

No debate there.

Bill the GM is ass. He made many mistakes and his failure to address the offense at a professional level, while not for not trying, was his downfall.

He earned his firing.

Wasting picks on punters and kickers that never make the team or cut a year later is egregious. Blowing two picks on two tight ends that don't belong in the NFL? Embarrassing.

The best wr he drafted was a concerted quarterback.

I'm sorry, without Brady his faults at player selection catches up to him long before 2023.

And yet I just listed a bunch of people he brought in for the rebuild.

You act like every draft pick is supposed to hit when the fact of the matter is that only 30-40% of them do. Busted picks is the NORM in the NFL. What you're looking for are players.

You're also contradicting yourself. Is QB important or not? You seem to be saying Brady did it practically by himself, while I'd argue the rosters were loaded. Brady is the greatest QB of all time, but 9 Super Bowls happened because of great coaching and loaded rosters. Those were brought in by Bill. So if the QB is all important (which is true to a degree) then you can imagine what your record will be with the gutless wonder Mac Jones.

The last 4 Brady years the team was getting old, the team was trading picks away for veterans to string out the success, the SAME way the Chiefs are doing now by constantly trading away picks for veterans. The Chiefs don't care about their drafts right now, that much is obvious. They are in win at all costs mode. This was the Patriots in the last 4 years of Brady. To top it off, the Patriots lost 4 prime 1st and 2nd day picks to Deflategate. They did get very little return in those drafts, you're right, but if you don't see the context, you might as well also blame the Chiefs who similarly are papering over offensive player busts (Hardman, Edwards-Hilaire, Skyy Moore, Wanya Morris, Rashee Rice, Jared Wiley) by trading for vets.

 

[festy1986]

And yet I just listed a bunch of people he brought in for the rebuild.

You act like every draft pick is supposed to hit when the fact of the matter is that only 30-40% of them do. Busted picks is the NORM in the NFL. What you're looking for are players.

You're also contradicting yourself. Is QB important or not? You seem to be saying Brady did it practically by himself, while I'd argue the rosters were loaded. Brady is the greatest QB of all time, but 9 Super Bowls happened because of great coaching and loaded rosters. Those were brought in by Bill. So if the QB is all important (which is true to a degree) then you can imagine what your record will be with the gutless wonder Mac Jones.

The last 4 Brady years the team was getting old, the team was trading picks away for veterans to string out the success, the SAME way the Chiefs are doing now by constantly trading away picks for veterans. The Chiefs don't care about their drafts right now, that much is obvious. They are in win at all costs mode. This was the Patriots in the last 4 years of Brady. To top it off, the Patriots lost 4 prime 1st and 2nd day picks to Deflategate. They did get very little return in those drafts, you're right, but if you don't see the context, you might as well also blame the Chiefs who similarly are papering over offensive player busts (Hardman, Edwards-Hilaire, Skyy Moore, Wanya Morris, Rashee Rice, Jared Wiley) by trading for vets.

I didn't contradict my self. Bill drafted Mac Jones.

Bill pushed Brady out the door.

Bill had no succession plan.

Bill is why we're in the position we're in. Anyone who disagrees with it is nothing more than a crony.

 

[Lavictoire]

I am not super enthused about Josh

As OC? Not as HC I agree.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

This also from JetNation fan forum
Note left by Vrabel to Woody Johnson

 

[Ring 6]

I wouldn't argue that at all.

Look at the current playoff picture.

First Timers:
-Dan Campbell
-John Harbaugh
-Demeco Ryans
-Mike Tomlin
-Sean McDermott
-Nick Sirrianni
-Sean McVay
-Kevin O'Connell
-Matt Lafluer


Retreads:
-Andy Reid
-Jim Harbaugh
-Dan Quinn
-Todd Bowles
-Sean Payton

The 2/3rds of the playoff pool are first time HC's. And I'd even argue that a lot of those retreads are exceptions to the rule. Nobody ever though Reid, Harbaugh or Payton were bad head coaches. Payton wanted out of the Saints. Harbaugh butted heads with ownership and he kicked him out first chance he got and it was a big deal. And Reid was considered good, but both him and the Eagles needed a change of scenery. They aren't your typical "HC who ended up flaming out and getting ****canned". Bowles and Quinn are the only ones who fit that model.

More than 2/3 of all coaches are first timers, so they actually underperform as a group.

 

[PatsFan2]

And yet I just listed a bunch of people he brought in for the rebuild.

You act like every draft pick is supposed to hit when the fact of the matter is that only 30-40% of them do. Busted picks is the NORM in the NFL. What you're looking for are players.

You're also contradicting yourself. Is QB important or not? You seem to be saying Brady did it practically by himself, while I'd argue the rosters were loaded. Brady is the greatest QB of all time, but 9 Super Bowls happened because of great coaching and loaded rosters. Those were brought in by Bill. So if the QB is all important (which is true to a degree) then you can imagine what your record will be with the gutless wonder Mac Jones.

The last 4 Brady years the team was getting old, the team was trading picks away for veterans to string out the success, the SAME way the Chiefs are doing now by constantly trading away picks for veterans. The Chiefs don't care about their drafts right now, that much is obvious. They are in win at all costs mode. This was the Patriots in the last 4 years of Brady. To top it off, the Patriots lost 4 prime 1st and 2nd day picks to Deflategate. They did get very little return in those drafts, you're right, but if you don't see the context, you might as well also blame the Chiefs who similarly are papering over offensive player busts (Hardman, Edwards-Hilaire, Skyy Moore, Wanya Morris, Rashee Rice, Jared Wiley) by trading for vets.

Rashee Rice have Legal problems he's not Bust.

 

[PatsFan2]

I am not super enthused about Josh

He's worlds better than Jabbar Van Pelt.

 

[notex]

Give me Vrabel I want to see him chop his **** off if we make superbowl

 

[upstater1]

I didn't contradict my self. Bill drafted Mac Jones.

Bill pushed Brady out the door.

Bill had no succession plan.

Bill is why we're in the position we're in. Anyone who disagrees with it is nothing more than a crony.

What does drafting Mac have to do with anything?

Wrong on every single count.

Belichick's boss blasted him for HAVING a succession plan.

Brady was mad because of Bill throwing his best friend off the premises because that friend convinced players to disregard the coaches.

Bill MADE the Patriots and Kraft DESTROYED them.

By the way, Brady showed up on our archrivals boat trying to join them WHILE he was under contract with the Patriots, but I know you're4 in denial about that fact.

 

[upstater1]

Rashee Rice have Legal problems he's not Bust.

When he comes back from one of the worst injuries you can possibly have as a WR (torn ACL, MCL, patellar tendon) he will be suspended for half the season.

I really think this guy, as good as he was as a rookie, is looking at a destroyed career.

 

[festy1986]

What does drafting Mac have to do with anything?

Wrong on every single count.

Belichick's boss blasted him for HAVING a succession plan.

Brady was mad because of Bill throwing his best friend off the premises because that friend convinced players to disregard the coaches.

Bill MADE the Patriots and Kraft DESTROYED them.

By the way, Brady showed up on our archrivals boat trying to join them WHILE he was under contract with the Patriots, but I know you're4 in denial about that fact.

You're deeply unserious. There's nothing to discuss any longer.

Kraft blasted him for having a succession plan 10 years too early. That's what I want from my owner. Brady had 6 or 7 Superbowls left in him when Bill wanted to push him out the door.

You are defending that position? Weird.

What does DRAFTING Mac, by BILL have to do with BILL not having Superbowl caliber quarterback to work with? Is that a real question? Weird.

Brady being mad about Bill throwing that grifter off the property is the only valid point you made. It's also wtf and out of no where and not relevant. You don't wanna get into the petty personal beefs Bill and Tom had. Bill at every moment tried to Lord over Tom as his boss and refused to give the greatest player in NFL history a ****ing break. I don't find that endearing at all. I find that to be weird boomer ****.

Also I'm still wondering how I'm wrong on Bill drafting Mac. That has me shook. Now I'm wondering if that was someone else. ****.

 

[dliverey44]

As OC? Not as HC I agree.

As OC, WRs seemed to really struggle picking up that offense. Not just rooks, but some good established WRs couldn't get it. I read an article awhile back that Devante Adams was talking about how the offense was dink and dunk and required the QB to hit on all cylinders all the time.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

You're also contradicting yourself. Is QB important or not? You seem to be saying Brady did it practically by himself, while I'd argue the rosters were loaded. Brady is the greatest QB of all time, but 9 Super Bowls happened because of great coaching and loaded rosters. Those were brought in by Bill. So if the QB is all important (which is true to a degree) then you can imagine what your record will be with the gutless wonder Mac Jones.

Brady didn't have loaded rosters, exactly. What he did have, though, was a top-5 player at multiple offensive skill positions (X WR, slot WR, TE, pass-catching RB) for pretty much the entire "TFB" era.

 

[Lavictoire]

I didn't contradict my self. Bill drafted Mac Jones.

Bill pushed Brady out the door.

Bill had no succession plan.

Bill is why we're in the position we're in. Anyone who disagrees with it is nothing more than a crony.

I think Garoppollo was his succession plan.

 

[festy1986]

I think Garoppollo was his succession plan.

And what a horrible, horrendous succession plan that was.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I wouldn't argue that at all.

Look at the current playoff picture.

First Timers:
-Dan Campbell
-John Harbaugh
-Demeco Ryans
-Mike Tomlin
-Sean McDermott
-Nick Sirrianni
-Sean McVay
-Kevin O'Connell
-Matt Lafluer


Retreads:
-Andy Reid
-Jim Harbaugh
-Dan Quinn
-Todd Bowles
-Sean Payton

The 2/3rds of the playoff pool are first time HC's. And I'd even argue that a lot of those retreads are exceptions to the rule. Nobody ever though Reid, Harbaugh or Payton were bad head coaches. Payton wanted out of the Saints. Harbaugh butted heads with ownership and he kicked him out first chance he got and it was a big deal. And Reid was considered good, but both him and the Eagles needed a change of scenery. They aren't your typical "HC who ended up flaming out and getting ****canned". Bowles and Quinn are the only ones who fit that model.

I would have liked us to hire Harbaugh last year. Instead we got the disaster that was Mayo because of a handshake promise that Kraft made years ago. OOF.

 

[Lavictoire]

And what a horrible, horrendous succession plan that was.

It did rekindle the fire in Brady though.

 

[festy1986]

It did rekindle the fire in Brady though.

That's hyperbole.

Brady wasn't why we weren't winning Superbowls.