Schefter on ESPN says Mayo “leaning towards” fired

[Ian]

I think it’s a culmination of several things.

1. tavai’s comments proving this culture needs to be flushed
2. Resulting fan anger which will be shown today (along with a lot of empty seats)
3. Vrabel interviewing with the Jets pushing Kraft
4. Reporting from Russini that the Pats job is actually most desired by candidates

The thing that did Mayo in - in my opinion - was the AVP comment. Regardless of how the offense has been, AVP is a guy who is well respected by most, and regardless, anytime you see a coach throw a colleague under the bus like that, it's just a massive red flag. Some may have downplayed it and you can interpret it however people might want to, but it was a terrible moment. And I just don't see any scenario where any quality candidate would want to come to a place where the head coach has the ear of ownership and would be the scapegoat in any setting.

I think Mayo could have survived a bad record and then admitted mistakes after the fact with maybe replacing guys who weren't ready like Covington, Hughes, etc., with an environment where people from the outside would be excited to come here and take over. Phil Perry reported not long after that the situation we saw play out had made this an "undesirable" place, based on league sources he had spoken to. I'm sure the Krafts have probably heard the same thing, and I'm sure they're disappointed.

But as I've said, it just feels like he's become a liability, and I think that's ultimately going to be the thing he probably looks back on if he does end up out after today.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Here the choices:

1. 1. Do nothing - clearly not possible
2. 
   
3. 2. Fire the OC and DC - but now it's clear that with Mayo still in place they won't be able to get good upgrades
4. 
   
5. 3. And that leaves fire Mayo and let the new head coach clean ship. With a franchise QB and CB, likely the number 1 pick and lots of cap room it's a very desirable position.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agree they should interview at least 6 to 8 coaches and see if there is a young Belichick or Mcvay kind of mind there.

My dark horse is Joe Brady I love his offense.

Agree 100%.

The Krafts would serve themselves well by being exposed to other ways of running an organization and coaching.

Clearly the Krafts felt Bill was the problem but not his system.

The problem is Bill IS the system and it was left to those under him to run it....and they couldn't/just did the same thing.

They need fresh ideas. A new approach. A new philosophy.

They might need someone to do it for them as they clearly are struggling in this area.

 

[Ring 6]

I can not understand how the board consensus would be that a businessman from that generation who probably looks up to Trump's management style would be afraid to say, "You"re Fired!"

You can’t understand how in a league that is crucified over minority hiring practices, an 83 year old white dude is concerned about the optics of hiring his first black HC and firing him in 1 year?

 

[JMC00]

Exactly. I expected a ****ty year. Most of us did.

It's like you said. Players mouthing off. Brain fart coach saying dumb things. ****ty coaching. Lack of discipline. Zero improvement in multiple areas. Regression everywhere but Boutte, Gonzo, HH, Maye and a few others. Christ I could go on and on.

The defensive regression is the big thing for me with Mayo. Ya I figured it wouldn't be as good and maybe average to sub-par but if it was even a sub-par defense, probably means wins against the Colts, Rams, Titans. But it's just not a good look when you're a defensive guy, been here for years coaching, retained defensive staff and there a over a handful of games where it looks like Mayo/Covington came with a game plan and if it didn't work from the start or the other team adjusted there was no adjustments from Mayo/Covington and if there was it didn't work

 

[Ring 6]

Here the choices:

1. 1. Do nothing - clearly not possible
2. 
   
3. 2. Fire the OC and DC - but now it's clear that with Mayo still in place they won't be able to get good upgrades
4. 
   
5. 3. And that leaves fire Mayo and let the new head coach clean ship. With a franchise QB and CB, likely the number 1 pick and lots of cap room it's a very desirable position.

Wolf has to go too

 

[Family]

The thing that did Mayo in - in my opinion - was the AVP comment. Regardless of how the offense has been, AVP is a guy who is well respected by most, and regardless, anytime you see a coach throw a colleague under the bus like that, it's just a massive red flag. Some may have downplayed it and you can interpret it however people might want to, but it was a terrible moment. And I just don't see any scenario where any quality candidate would want to come to a place where the head coach has the ear of ownership and would be the scapegoat in any setting.

I think Mayo could have survived a bad record and then admitted mistakes after the fact with maybe replacing guys who weren't ready like Covington, Hughes, etc., with an environment where people from the outside would be excited to come here and take over. Phil Perry reported not long after that the situation we saw play out had made this an "undesirable" place, based on league sources he had spoken to. I'm sure the Krafts have probably heard the same thing, and I'm sure they're disappointed.

But as I've said, it just feels like he's become a liability, and I think that's ultimately going to be the thing he probably looks back on if he does end up out after today.

How do they ever sell this mess to any free agent with options, even if they offer to pay?

Yeah Drake Maye, but the organization looks like a mess.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The thing that did Mayo in - in my opinion - was the AVP comment. Regardless of how the offense has been, AVP is a guy who is well respected by most, and regardless, anytime you see a coach throw a colleague under the bus like that, it's just a massive red flag. Some may have downplayed it and you can interpret it however people might want to, but it was a terrible moment. And I just don't see any scenario where any quality candidate would want to come to a place where the head coach has the ear of ownership and would be the scapegoat in any setting.

I think Mayo could have survived a bad record and then admitted mistakes after the fact with maybe replacing guys who weren't ready like Covington, Hughes, etc., with an environment where people from the outside would be excited to come here and take over. Phil Perry reported not long after that the situation we saw play out had made this an "undesirable" place, based on league sources he had spoken to. I'm sure the Krafts have probably heard the same thing, and I'm sure they're disappointed.

But as I've said, it just feels like he's become a liability, and I think that's ultimately going to be the thing he probably looks back on if he does end up out after today.

One thing i'm willing to put money down on is if Mayo stays...AVP is gone.

Between the throwing under the bus and the back n forth this week on Maye playing those two clearly are not on the same page.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The defensive regression is the big thing for me with Mayo. Ya I figured it wouldn't be as good and maybe average to sub-par but if it was even a sub-par defense, probably means wins against the Colts, Rams, Titans. But it's just not a good look when you're a defensive guy, been here for years coaching, retained defensive staff and there a over a handful of games where it looks like Mayo/Covington came with a game plan and if it didn't work from the start or the other team adjusted there was no adjustments from Mayo/Covington and if there was it didn't work

Losing Barmore, Peppers, and Bentley were blows. I think letting Guy go was also a bit short-sighted. I expected the D to fall off a bit but not this much. Cov clearly is not DC material.

 

[Rob0729]

They have to do a search, since no succession clause in any contract. It's whether they do a serious search or do it to placate. I find it hard to believe that Kraft world fire Mayo for anyone other than Vrabel, he sems to like those he knows. I'm Ben Johnson all the way but Vrabel is better than Mayo, even if I don't love Vrabel, he's an upgrade for sure.

Breer made a good case they need to do a real search even if Vrabel is a forgone conclusion. They need to pick the brains of other more successful organizations to find out what other teams are doing where the Pats aren’t. From what Breer has said, the Pats are still in 2005 while other teams are far more advanced in sports science and analytics.

 

[Family]

You can’t understand how in a league that is crucified over minority hiring practices, an 83 year old white dude is concerned about the optics of hiring his first black HC and firing him in 1 year?

You obviously are deeply tuned into unfair minority things and people being cheap, but you have no clue how a businessman of that generation thinks.

The question of what do you do for a living was only relevant because of your single minded thinking for how someone in an ownership position acts.

 

[Love The Drake]

Breer made a good case they need to do a real search even if Vrabel is a forgone conclusion. They need to pick the brains of other more successful organizations to find out what other teams are doing where the Pats aren’t. From what Breer has said, the Pats are still in 2005 while other teams are far more advanced in sports science and analytics.

I like the idea of interviewing, Decosta, Agnew, the eagles staff, the Rams staff, Minnesota’s staff.

Those are the Teams im interrviewing.

 

[turkeyneck]

Breer made a good case they need to do a real search even if Vrabel is a forgone conclusion. They need to pick the brains of other more successful organizations to find out what other teams are doing where the Pats aren’t. From what Breer has said, the Pats are still in 2005 while other teams are far more advanced in sports science and analytics.

The Pats are organizationally now where they were stadium-wise when Kraft took over. He has the aluminum bleachers of an organization. Step it up, Bob!

 

[TomPatriot]

The thing that did Mayo in - in my opinion - was the AVP comment. Regardless of how the offense has been, AVP is a guy who is well respected by most, and regardless, anytime you see a coach throw a colleague under the bus like that, it's just a massive red flag. Some may have downplayed it and you can interpret it however people might want to, but it was a terrible moment. And I just don't see any scenario where any quality candidate would want to come to a place where the head coach has the ear of ownership and would be the scapegoat in any setting.

I think Mayo could have survived a bad record and then admitted mistakes after the fact with maybe replacing guys who weren't ready like Covington, Hughes, etc., with an environment where people from the outside would be excited to come here and take over. Phil Perry reported not long after that the situation we saw play out had made this an "undesirable" place, based on league sources he had spoken to. I'm sure the Krafts have probably heard the same thing, and I'm sure they're disappointed.

But as I've said, it just feels like he's become a liability, and I think that's ultimately going to be the thing he probably looks back on if he does end up out after today.

I don’t think it’s just one comment. He failed to get his team to play within a designated system on either side of the ball. There was little improvement anywhere except special teams and QB. I know he was given little talent. But he just looks and acts clueless, or he doesn’t act at all. In terms Jonathan Kraft would surely understand, what value has Mayo added?

 

[Rob0729]

Here the choices:

1. 1. Do nothing - clearly not possible
2. 
   
3. 2. Fire the OC and DC - but now it's clear that with Mayo still in place they won't be able to get good upgrades
4. 
   
5. 3. And that leaves fire Mayo and let the new head coach clean ship. With a franchise QB and CB, likely the number 1 pick and lots of cap room it's a very desirable position.

1 and 2 are likely losers. Mayo and company do not look like they are going to turn it around quickly. Replacing coordinators is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. They are not going to get good coordinators to come to New England with Mayo on the hot seat.

Either you give Mayo and his staff one more shot with some position coach changes or you go with the clean slate. The latter at this point is the best option.

I think Mayo could be a good head coach one day. The Pats really just cannot wait for him to be that. It is in his best interest is to go somewhere and become a DC and get more experience.

 

[Ring 6]

Agree 100%.

The Krafts would serve themselves well by being exposed to other ways of running an organization and coaching.

Clearly the Krafts felt Bill was the problem but not his system.

The problem is Bill IS the system and it was left to those under him to run it....and they couldn't/just did the same thing.

They need fresh ideas. A new approach. A new philosophy.

They might need someone to do it for them as they clearly are struggling in this area.

Being fully committed and bought in to your plan, one that is your creation, as long as it isn’t crappy plan, is far more important than the details of that plan.
For example BBs defensive system has proven to be excellent. But a less developed, less complex, inferior system will do better with someone who believes in it than BBs will with a copycat who only sort of gets it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

It’s almost over fellas. Just one more game.

 

[Ring 6]

You obviously are deeply tuned into unfair minority things and people being cheap, but you have no clue how a businessman of that generation thinks.

The question of what do you do for a living was only relevant because of your single minded thinking for how someone in an ownership position acts.

Huh?

Single minded thinking would be “people of that age all act this way”

Open minded thinking is understanding that situations define actions more than date of birth. The league is heavily focused on minority HCs, society is heavily focused on minority opportunities, DEI, etc

It would be very single minded to think the owner of an NFL team wouldn’t consider the indication his franchise of the league, society and fan base implying he fired a black guy under circumstances he wouldn’t fire a white guy.
But then there he hid date of birth, right?

 

[turkeyneck]

Brian Daboll Will Be Hired as the Next Head Coach of the New England Patriots After Jerod Mayo is Fired

 

[Family]

Huh?

Single minded thinking would be “people of that age all act this way”

Open minded thinking is understanding that situations define actions more than date of birth. The league is heavily focused on minority HCs, society is heavily focused on minority opportunities, DEI, etc

It would be very single minded to think the owner of an NFL team wouldn’t consider the indication his franchise of the league, society and fan base implying he fired a black guy under circumstances he wouldn’t fire a white guy.

In the end with everything equal yeah, but most of what they care about is their own ego.

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